Glad Norvell is our coach

[islandchief]

Doesn't the arrest rate shock you? 13% of our population is responsible for nearly 50% of the violent crimes in this country. That is a fact and I believe we can agree on that. So why? I have an opinion but would like to hear what you think.

A great deal of those are for bench warrants. Failure to appear. Failure to pay fines. So what starts out as a simple thing like driving without a license, leads to incarceration.

You literally proved multiple points in the thread. When you tell a leo to f off and don't LISTEN you are escalating the situation. If you did nothing wrong just comply and you will go home. It is not hard to understand this.

Yeah, well I didn’t plan that, it just came out of my mouth. I had done nothing to deserve being cuffed and so no I wasn’t going to comply. I don’t stop having liberties provided to me just because you are law enforcement, that is the exact moment they kick in.
But I am telling you, I was just reacting, there was no forethought.

 

[islandchief]

That isn't what happened at all. The Floyd situation was handled extremely poorly, but your account of what happened is not even partially true.

That isn't what happened at all. The Floyd situation was handled extremely poorly, but your account of what happened is not even partially true.

Watch the tape man.

 

[nolesnoles]

He was in cuffs with four officers on the scene. They should be able to place him safely in a vehicle. He collapsed at the door of the vehicle.

At the stop, when the officer approached the vehicle, he asked Floyd to show both his hands, Floyd did not comply. Officer tried escorting Floyd from the vehicle, Floyd resisted (repeatedly). You can hear the woman, who was in the vehicle with Floyd, say “stop resisting Floyd”

Again, it was a tragedy what happened to him. I feel for his family and hope that moron of an officer, who disgustingly had his knee on Floyd’s neck, gets what he has coming to him. But don’t act like Floyd wasn’t doing anything wrong.

 

[Deerfuel2]

Well then it is on us to do something.

So it isn’t incarceration rates or arrest rates that are changing your mind. It isn’t the shot by police rate.

Your right, he was shot seven times at point blank range and he is not dead, further proving my point.

Incarceration and arrest rates in the black community, are definitely disappointing, and sad. I personally don't know anyone who doesn't basically feel the same way. I would love for all people that are living in poverty and feel disenfranchised, to be able to flourish and live fulfilling lives. The problem is, the government or society as a whole can not fix that. They can help fix it, but make no mistake, it must start within those communities, for it to be a real generational change. From my perspective, the loudest voices blaming society as a whole, never address real issues that need to, and can be fixed from within those communities

 

[smelson3]

A great deal of those are for bench warrants. Failure to appear. Failure to pay fines. So what starts out as a simple thing like driving without a license, leads to incarceration.

Yeah, well I didn’t plan that, it just came out of my mouth. I had done nothing to deserve being cuffed and so no I wasn’t going to comply. I don’t stop having liberties provided to me just because you are law enforcement, that is the exact moment they kick in.
But I am telling you, I was just reacting, there was no forethought.

Those statistics are violent crimes not what you listed. If you include those figures the % actually goes down.

I am not saying this applies to you but it starts with how people are raised and their parents expectations in regard to respecting authority. I get you were in the heat of the moment but could have realized in that moment you were making it worse and apologized. It likely would have started a new path for your interaction.

 

[smelson3]

Incarceration and arrest rates in the black community, are definitely disappointing, and sad. I personally don't know anyone who doesn't basically feel the same way. I would love for all people that are living in poverty and feel disenfranchised, to be able to flourish and live fulfilling lives. The problem is, the government or society as a whole can not fix that. They can help fix it, but make no mistake, it must start within those communities, for it to be a real generational change. From my perspective, the loudest voices blaming society as a whole, never address real issues that need to, and can be fixed from within those communities

Agreed but its starts by making sure children understand they CAN do anything they desire and there is not an invisible force that will hold them back.

 

[tribal_idiot]

Is that meant to be a racist statement? Don't understand your context! A lot of people on this site meet that criteria (White-Angelo-Saxon-Protestant). We were born Caucasian, our ancestry is from Europe and we are of Protestant faith. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

Wap*
Three letter response seemed the way to go...my cellphone thought other wise.
(The abbreviation that’s been in the news the last few days...after everyone found out that Ben Shapiro can’t please his wife.)

 

[islandchief]

Three of the largest generational wealth programs that ever existed in this country specifically excluded blacks. The Homestead Act, during and after the Great Depression FHA loans and after WWII the GI Bill that provides low interest home loans to returning GIs. These bills provided wealth to families that lasted generations. 27,000,000 million acres of land were given away to white people under the Homestead Act.
Under FHA guidelines you were not even allowed to sell your home to a black buyer later on down the road.
These economic advantages provided whites that excluded blacks, their legacy continues today.

 

[nips 9]

Watch the tape man.

You watch, he was in the car and forced his way out. He pleaded to get out of the cruiser and asked to be laid on the ground, then forced his way out. You are poorly informed.

 

[Deerfuel2]

Agreed but its starts by making sure children understand they CAN do anything they desire and there is not an invisible force that will hold them back.

I absolutely agree. People that have hope vs people that don't have hope is really where the divide is. People should build up hope and optimism in their children. If they have hope and optimism, they are halfway there.
Attitude is so important

 

[nips 9]

Three of the largest generational wealth programs that ever existed in this country specifically excluded blacks. The Homestead Act, during and after the Great Depression FHA loans and after WWII the GI Bill that provides low interest home loans to returning GIs. These bills provided wealth to families that lasted generations. 27,000,000 million acres of land were given away to white people under the Homestead Act.
Under FHA guidelines you were not even allowed to sell your home to a black buyer later on down the road.
These economic advantages provided whites that excluded blacks, their legacy continues today.

Serious question. With APRs at all time lows, shouldn't we all be turning that into generational wealth?

 

[SteveT1]

Going to express my opinion and stop donating money to FSU. My friends are doing the same.

I have really liked, followed and supported professional sports teams over many years, particularly the Miami teams - the Heat, Dolphins, and Marlins. Unfortunately, the disrespect for our great country by the players and leagues have left me no choice but to withdraw my support in all forms. My professional sports fix is now satisfied by watching golf while rooting for the former Seminoles who are making their mark.

At the same time, I (still) love all FSU sports, including the coaches and players, and follow them with a passion. I have 8 season tickets, including 2 in a box, and was solidly in tier 2 in the recent seat selection (so I have 48 tickets this year). I was hoping against hope that the craziness that we are seeing around the country and in professional sports would not affect my beloved Seminoles, but I was wrong. Mike Norvell has brought it front and center by attaching his support and the FSU brand to the extremely radical Marxist and violent Black Lives Matter movement. While I basically agree with his overall message, that was not a smart move.

I attribute his lack of sound judgment to ignorance coupled with a willingness to ride the PC wave to appease his students. Leaders lead and educate, they don't appease those in their charge. For now, I will continue to fully support FSU as I have in the past until my conscience will no longer allow it.

Oh, how we miss the charm, wisdom and stability of Bobby Bowden. Each year, he would take the team to a Black Church and then to a White Church, teaching the team to love one another and practice color blindness. God is the answer, not BLM!

 

[Psalm51]

BLM is a joke and a Marxist organization.

 

[fsusox]

BLM is a joke and a Marxist organization.

What are your feelings about white supremacy organizations? Are they a joke and fascist organizations?

 

[nips 9]

What are your feelings about white supremacy organizations? Are they a joke and fascist organizations?

I would say yes. Is someone debating that or advocating for them?

 

[smelson3]

What are your feelings about white supremacy organizations? Are they a joke and fascist organizations?

They are a disgrace to this country if that is what you are asking. So my question would be, does the same apply to blm supporters as it does the organizations you listed? It doesn't and is almost required and if you don't support them or speak a differing opinion your life is over, job is gone and personal life in shambles.

 

[STPNole]

Just make it stop already. Maybe someone can suggest a solution or try to have discourse that is civil and not just screaming. Here is a starter, maybe stop calling everyone a racist when you don't know them.

For one thing, I’m not calling any one person “racist.” But spotlighting the very real problem of America’s inability to resolve widespread, systemic racism is something we should all think about and come together to change.

There are countless resources available that document these challenges. But this presentation does an excellent job providing a compelling and concise overview:

Or you can just listen to Doc Rivers’s statement from a couple days ago. I won’t post it because it’s a little political. But the statement, “We keep loving this country, but this country doesn’t love us back” stands out as a sentiment we who are white should listen to and keep in mind.

Thank you for engaging in this discussion.

 

[STPNole]

You showed your grasp of things, with your undying love and support of Willie. You are a close minded, bitter little person, that obviously has a significant inferiority complex

I have posted many times starting about the midpoint of last year that I was wrong about Willie. And I supported his dismissal. I don’t have any problem admitting I was wrong, though I think the problems over the last three seasons ran much deeper than Willie.

That said, I’m not sure why a post celebrating our new coach and his stance on racial justice issues would trigger so much animosity. You’re angry with me, you’re angry with Willie? Are you also angry with CMN for supporting our players’ right to speak out against racism in America?

 

[smelson3]

For one thing, I’m not calling any one person “racist.” But spotlighting the very real problem of America’s inability to resolve widespread, systemic racism is something we should all think about and come together to change.

There are countless resources available that document these challenges. But this presentation does an excellent job providing a compelling and concise overview:

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Or you can just listen to Doc Rivers’s statement from a couple days ago. I won’t post it because it’s a little political. But the statement, “We keep loving this country, but this country doesn’t love us back” stands out as a sentiment we who are white should listen to and keep in mind.

Thank you for engaging in this discussion.

There is not a single law, rule, etc that supports racism. No where, it doesn't exist. Saying there is systemic racism but not showing where it is, is the entire problem. I cant fight with you if there is nothing to fight. I've witnessed the opposite recently as 6 of my peers were fired because "you no longer live in your division" and then have divisions remapped only to rehire 6 others that fit the PC narrative. 6 families are struggling during a pandemic soley and i mean soley because they are white males. Is that not a problem?

 

[Psalm51]

What are your feelings about white supremacy organizations? Are they a joke and fascist organizations?

They've been a joke and you know what their mission is. But with BLM these spoiled athletes and Hollywood types are out here endorsing this Marxist agenda with BLM and antifa but disguising it as some kind of equality movement but it's actions and statements are anything but.

 

[STPNole]

There is not a single law, rule, etc that supports racism. No where, it doesn't exist. Saying there is systemic racism but not showing where it is, is the entire problem. I cant fight with you if there is nothing to fight. I've witnessed the opposite recently as 6 of my peers were fired because "you no longer live in your division" and then have divisions remapped only to rehire 6 others that fit the PC narrative. 6 families are struggling during a pandemic soley and i mean soley because they are white males. Is that not a problem?

I’m not trying to fight you. This is a discussion. And I’m willing to learn from you and hear about your experience. I’m a middle class white dude who grew up in schools that were as diverse as any in the country - roughly 25% white, 25% black, 25% Hispanic, and 25% Asian. Growing up with that level of diversity was a blessing and helped me understand different points of view on all these issues. And humility and the willingness to listen and learn lies at the core of understanding.

There absolutely are laws and practices that still discriminate against POC - and you really don’t have to look too hard to find them. One example is the gigantic disparity between “white education” and the education offered to majority black and brown communities. This disparity is based on local tax bases and local school systems.

I would humbly encourage you to look into these issues, maybe starting with this podcast series looking into a supposedly liberal school system that has continuously and consistently undermined the kids and families they were supposed to serve: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/712/nice-white-parents

All that said, let’s just stop trying to win these debates and spend more time listening and learning from each other. You and I are white fans of a college football team made up of a vast majority of black athletes. These players entertain us and impact our lives in so many big and important ways. The least we can do is give them space to express their worries and experiences and learn from what they and many other athletes have to say. CMN is striking the right chord. We can follow his example.

 

[smelson3]

I’m not trying to fight you. This is a discussion. And I’m willing to learn from you and hear about your experience. I’m a middle class white dude who grew up in schools that were as diverse as any in the country - roughly 25% white, 25% black, 25% Hispanic, and 25% Asian. Growing up with that level of diversity was a blessing and helped me understand different points of view on all these issues. And humility and the willingness to listen and learn lies at the core of understanding.

There absolutely are laws and practices that still discriminate against POC - and you really don’t have to look too hard to find them. One example is the gigantic disparity between “white education” and the education offered to majority black and brown communities. This disparity is based on local tax bases and local school systems.

I would humbly encourage you to look into these issues, maybe starting with this podcast series looking into a supposedly liberal school system that has continuously and consistently undermined the kids and families they were supposed to serve: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/712/nice-white-parents

All that said, let’s just stop trying to win these debates and spend more time listening and learning from each other. You and I are white fans of a college football team made up of a vast majority of black athletes. These players entertain us and impact our lives in so many big and important ways. The least we can do is give them space to express their worries and experiences and learn from what they and many other athletes have to say. CMN is striking the right chord. We can follow his example.

Appreciate the response but there is still no law on the books that is racist. I understand the discrepancies in education but again I think it revolves around parents and their investment in their kids. Culture plays a big roll in this and you can see that in other minority groups.

 

[nips 9]

I’m not trying to fight you. This is a discussion. And I’m willing to learn from you and hear about your experience. I’m a middle class white dude who grew up in schools that were as diverse as any in the country - roughly 25% white, 25% black, 25% Hispanic, and 25% Asian. Growing up with that level of diversity was a blessing and helped me understand different points of view on all these issues. And humility and the willingness to listen and learn lies at the core of understanding.

There absolutely are laws and practices that still discriminate against POC - and you really don’t have to look too hard to find them. One example is the gigantic disparity between “white education” and the education offered to majority black and brown communities. This disparity is based on local tax bases and local school systems.

I would humbly encourage you to look into these issues, maybe starting with this podcast series looking into a supposedly liberal school system that has continuously and consistently undermined the kids and families they were supposed to serve: https://www.thisamericanlife.org/712/nice-white-parents

All that said, let’s just stop trying to win these debates and spend more time listening and learning from each other. You and I are white fans of a college football team made up of a vast majority of black athletes. These players entertain us and impact our lives in so many big and important ways. The least we can do is give them space to express their worries and experiences and learn from what they and many other athletes have to say. CMN is striking the right chord. We can follow his example.

I assume you a more liberal voter. Let me ask a question here. Why don't these communities put more pressure on their elected officials to stop the hard anti charter school bias that would greatly aid said communities. It is not like tons of money hasn't been allocated with no improvement.

Charters in urban areas have shown great promise. Education shouldn't be political, but it certainly is. Other than that it is about sacrifice. I grew up poor, we didn't even have a car until I was 16. I worked my ass off, paid for college out of pocket, while working full time for 8 years.

Advanced in life and bought a 3500 sq ft house on the beach. This year I sold that house, moved into a smaller house and pay $14,000 in property taxes a year to get my daughter into the school that I hope prepares her for the best future possible. That is sacrifice and that is what we do for our kids. Things are rarely fair and never free. You do what you have to for your kids.

My life was difficult, dad died when I was 3, never wanted anyone to feel bad for me. I felt loved by my mother every day until she died 3 years ago, she was as close to perfect a human being as I knew. You have a parent that sacrifices and makes you their world you are privileged.

 

[smelson3]

I assume you a more liberal voter. Let me ask a question here. Why don't these communities put more pressure on their elected officials to stop the hard anti charter school bias that would greatly aid said communities. It is not like tons of money hasn't been allocated with no improvement.

Charters in urban areas have shown great promise. Education shouldn't be political, but it certainly is. Other than that it is about sacrifice. I grew up poor, we didn't even have a car until I was 16. I worked my ass off, paid for college out of pocket, while working full time for 8 years.

Advanced in life and bought a 3500 sq ft house on the beach. This year I sold that house, moved into a smaller house and pay $14,000 in taxes to get my daughter into the school that I hope prepares her for the best future possible. That is sacrifice and that is what we do for our kids. Things are rarely fair and never free. You do what you have to for your kids.

My life was difficult, dad died when I was 3, never want anyone to feel bad for me. I felt loved by my mother every day until she died 3 years ago, she was as close to perfect a human being as I knew. You have a parent that sacrifices and makes you their world you are privileged.

This statement and experience alone is what will solve the problem. Parents taking responsibility and raising responsible children that respect work ethic. Bravo @nips 9. Our stories are different but the underlying tone is our parents or parent gave a sh!t about who we would become. No one told us we couldn't do anything, they told us if you want it go get it.

 

[nips 9]

This statement and experience alone is what will solve the problem. Parents taking responsibility and raising responsible children that respect work ethic. Bravo @nips 9. Our stories are different but the underlying tone is our parents or parent gave a sh!t about who we would become. No one told us we couldn't do anything, they told us if you want it go get it.

Thanks for the kind words. When we were kids we rarely had what we wanted, but we always had what we needed, even when it was at our mother's expense.

 

[STPNole]

Appreciate the response but there is still no law on the books that is racist. I understand the discrepancies in education but again I think it revolves around parents and their investment in their kids. Culture plays a big roll in this and you can see that in other minority groups.

Not sure what you mean by “law on the books” when I’ve pointed out how tax laws and local school systems continue to neglect and undermine communities of color. Brown vs Board of Education is “on the books.” But yet the way schools are run in America to this day perpetuates the institutional racism we need to confront.

But of course we could get into the very real differences in real estate laws that for generations blatantly denied Black access to the post WWII wealth engine of home equity. To this day, Black and Brown families are disproportionately targeted and treated very differently by Wall Street to scam them for profit. This has also been very well documented. Happy to share references if you promise to read them.

Put all that aside - Just pay attention to laws on the books and how they’ve been enforced and how one person with white pigment might be treated very differently than our brethren in darker pigment.

Let me ask you, do you have freckles? I’m only asking because those of us with whiter skin became white because as our ancestors migrated to northern climates with less direct sun, we adapted to suppress the melanin in our skin to absorb more sunlight and help produce vitamin D. But every freckle we have is part of our cellular ancestry that defaults to brown skin.

I only share to make sure we’re discussing these issues from an informed and scientific perspective. We aren’t discussing these issues as them vs us. It’s us vs us. Every freckle proves we’re all one race and suggests we should have empathy and love each other as one American community.

 

[sja82]

https://www.revolt.tv/2020/8/28/214...sisting-arrest-fighting-cops-they-werent-shot
Watch all of the videos
Enjoy

 

[sja82]

Disobeying lawful orders and reaching into a vehicle usually ends in cops ending a threat.

Sorry but you can’t keep walking away from cops giving a lawful order and then reach in a vehicle without feeling something lethal coming your way.

If someone waited for the perp to “turn around and show a weapon” (like a poster said they should do...wait until they have a firearm drawn on them) that person is already dead...even with the quickest reflexes.

https://www.revolt.tv/2020/8/28/214...sisting-arrest-fighting-cops-they-werent-shot
Enjoy

 

[divinnole]

Agreed but its starts by making sure children understand they CAN do anything they desire and there is not an invisible force that will hold them back.

One of the most troubling things I see my black students faced with as they try to get training and education is the put downs they get from other blacks. One of my all time favorite students who graduated my welding program 3 years ago was a young black man who started my program as a 16 yo. He had dropped out of school in the 8th grade and had just floundered around for nearly 3 years before he realized his path was taking him nowhere. He enrolled in our school in the GED program with scores on the 4th grade level. We have a work force development office on campus and the lady there brought him to see me and to talk about a future in welding. My program always has a large waiting list and it often takes more than a year to get into the program. I told him to spend the time working to earn his GED and when he did I would move him to the front of the waiting list, figuring it would take him at least a year to do so. Three months later he and the work force lady showed up with his passing GED scores. I immediately called and had him enrolled in the program. He struggle for months trying to grasp the skills before it finally clicked with him. Today he is earning well in excess of 100K annually. Through his time in the program he and I had a lot of talks as he had a lot of self doubts. One day he broke down crying telling me what he was hearing from his family. His older brother who has been incarcerated several times would tell him he was playing the white man's game and was turning into an Uncle Tom. He would hear the same thing from his uncle who was the only father figure in his life (although not a good one). He would hear worse things from some of his so called friends.

The workforce lady who is also a black lady did a lot of counseling with him. His mother was a big supporter but about his only family member to be a supporter of his goals. I spent a lot time building up his confidence and keeping him encouraged. We had funds for needy students and we bought him clothes and personal equipment he would need to go to work. If he continues on his path he will change the path for his future family for generations. He had a lot of support to help him become a very successful young man, but his path could have been a lot easier if the ones who should have been his biggest supporters, his family, had been supportive of him. Unfortunately that is not an isolated story concerning young black men, not only in my program but in other programs on our campus as well. We actively recruit minority students but we have very little success in attracting them to technical education. IN my program we normally start a school year with 50+ students, but due to covid we limited it to 36 students. We have 0 racial minority students.

 

[nips 9]

One of the most troubling things I see my black students faced with as they try to get training and education is the put downs they get from other blacks. One of my all time favorite students who graduated my welding program 3 years ago was a young black man who started my program as a 16 yo. He had dropped out of school in the 8th grade and had just floundered around for nearly 3 years before he realized his path was taking him nowhere. He enrolled in our school in the GED program with scores on the 4th grade level. We have a work force development office on campus and the lady there brought him to see me and to talk about a future in welding. My program always has a large waiting list and it often takes more than a year to get into the program. I told him to spend the time working to earn his GED and when he did I would move him to the front of the waiting list, figuring it would take him at least a year to do so. Three months later he and the work force lady showed up with his passing GED scores. I immediately called and had him enrolled in the program. He struggle for months trying to grasp the skills before it finally clicked with him. Today he is earning well in excess of 100K annually. Through his time in the program he and I had a lot of talks as he had a lot of self doubts. One day he broke down crying telling me what he was hearing from his family. His older brother who has been incarcerated several times would tell him he was playing the white man's game and was turning into an Uncle Tom. He would hear the same thing from his uncle who was the only father figure in his life (although not a good one). He would hear worse things from some of his so called friends.

The workforce lady who is also a black lady did a lot of counseling with him. His mother was a big supporter but about his only family member to be a supporter of his goals. I spent a lot time building up his confidence and keeping him encouraged. We had funds for needy students and we bought him clothes and personal equipment he would need to go to work. If he continues on his path he will change the path for his future family for generations. He had a lot of support to help him become a very successful young man, but his path could have been a lot easier if the ones who should have been his biggest supporters, his family, had been supportive of him. Unfortunately that is not an isolated story concerning young black men, not only in my program but in other programs on our campus as well. We actively recruit minority students but we have very little success in attracting them to technical education. IN my program we normally start a school year with 50+ students, but due to covid we limited it to 36 students. We have 0 racial minority students.

This echoes what I said earlier. If you have the love of a parent or even people willing to go to bat for you, like you and the work program woman, you can make a good life with some determination. Good on you adults making a difference.

I also agree with the reality of the situation you are pointing out. We have to break that line of thinking.

 

[smelson3]

One of the most troubling things I see my black students faced with as they try to get training and education is the put downs they get from other blacks. One of my all time favorite students who graduated my welding program 3 years ago was a young black man who started my program as a 16 yo. He had dropped out of school in the 8th grade and had just floundered around for nearly 3 years before he realized his path was taking him nowhere. He enrolled in our school in the GED program with scores on the 4th grade level. We have a work force development office on campus and the lady there brought him to see me and to talk about a future in welding. My program always has a large waiting list and it often takes more than a year to get into the program. I told him to spend the time working to earn his GED and when he did I would move him to the front of the waiting list, figuring it would take him at least a year to do so. Three months later he and the work force lady showed up with his passing GED scores. I immediately called and had him enrolled in the program. He struggle for months trying to grasp the skills before it finally clicked with him. Today he is earning well in excess of 100K annually. Through his time in the program he and I had a lot of talks as he had a lot of self doubts. One day he broke down crying telling me what he was hearing from his family. His older brother who has been incarcerated several times would tell him he was playing the white man's game and was turning into an Uncle Tom. He would hear the same thing from his uncle who was the only father figure in his life (although not a good one). He would hear worse things from some of his so called friends.

The workforce lady who is also a black lady did a lot of counseling with him. His mother was a big supporter but about his only family member to be a supporter of his goals. I spent a lot time building up his confidence and keeping him encouraged. We had funds for needy students and we bought him clothes and personal equipment he would need to go to work. If he continues on his path he will change the path for his future family for generations. He had a lot of support to help him become a very successful young man, but his path could have been a lot easier if the ones who should have been his biggest supporters, his family, had been supportive of him. Unfortunately that is not an isolated story concerning young black men, not only in my program but in other programs on our campus as well. We actively recruit minority students but we have very little success in attracting them to technical education. IN my program we normally start a school year with 50+ students, but due to covid we limited it to 36 students. We have 0 racial minority students.

Its funny how the right choices and changing the culture you are in results in positive movement. Good on that young man. Understanding that his choices shape his future. No one is in his way but himslef.

 

[sja82]

I've been pulled over and questioned for driving in the neighborhood of a reported perpetrator. My buddy has been falsely handcuffed and arrested twice. Neither of us resisted. Not everything is racial... sometimes Police are just responding to calls and sometimes it's a case of mistaken identity. I'm all for justice and having a voice, but perhaps using that voice to educate young African Americans to obey police officer's commands and beat them in court would do more to save lives than spray painting BLM in the streets

https://www.revolt.tv/2020/8/28/214...sisting-arrest-fighting-cops-they-werent-shot

 

[ryanpkc]

https://www.revolt.tv/2020/8/28/214...sisting-arrest-fighting-cops-they-werent-shot

I think 99.9% of people would agree that Shannon Sharpe's video looks egregious and those cops should be investigated and probably thrown in jail. I don't think showing cops from different states/cities/precincts is a good comparison though. An average of 367 white people were killed by police the last 4 years, so nitpicking a handful of videos of them not being killed proves nothing.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myth-of-systemic-police-racism-11591119883

 

[STPNole]

I assume you a more liberal voter. Let me ask a question here. Why don't these communities put more pressure on their elected officials to stop the hard anti charter school bias that would greatly aid said communities. It is not like tons of money hasn't been allocated with no improvement.

Charters in urban areas have shown great promise. Education shouldn't be political, but it certainly is. Other than that it is about sacrifice. I grew up poor, we didn't even have a car until I was 16. I worked my ass off, paid for college out of pocket, while working full time for 8 years.

Advanced in life and bought a 3500 sq ft house on the beach. This year I sold that house, moved into a smaller house and pay $14,000 in property taxes a year to get my daughter into the school that I hope prepares her for the best future possible. That is sacrifice and that is what we do for our kids. Things are rarely fair and never free. You do what you have to for your kids.

My life was difficult, dad died when I was 3, never wanted anyone to feel bad for me. I felt loved by my mother every day until she died 3 years ago, she was as close to perfect a human being as I knew. You have a parent that sacrifices and makes you their world you are privileged.

I appreciate the discussion.

I am not dogmatically opposed to charter schools. And am all for innovation and testing to see what works best. Where I live, the schools are all public schools but there are something like a half dozen "choice" elementary schools that offer different approaches to teaching and learning. For instance, there's the "Traditional" school that models its approach on a structured, some might say strict method of teaching -- sort of the old-fashioned way where kids sit in their seats all day and follow the teachers instructions. That can work for some kids, but not all.

There's also the Science and Math (think STEM) approach, the Expeditionary Learning, and the Spanish Immersion, among maybe a handful of others. I think the fact that families have choices gives our entire county a chance to pick the program that will work best for our own kids. Not sure why this kind of approach isn't more widespread -- which would give kids the chance to opt out of neighborhood schools if those schools aren't performing. Sort of like the charter approach without the charter structure.

The problem I have with charter schools is the data are very inconclusive at best. Some studies suggest charter schools perform worse than traditional public schools -- especially when you compare apples to apples. I just don't see any clear data suggesting that this approach works better overall than traditional public schools -- and it seems to me the main point of charter schools is to break teachers' unions. We can obviously debate the pros and cons of teachers' unions -- but we should be upfront about it and not use charter schools as a Trojan Horse in that agenda.

 

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I appreciate the discussion.

I am not dogmatically opposed to charter schools. And am all for innovation and testing to see what works best. Where I live, the schools are all public schools but there are something like a half dozen "choice" elementary schools that offer different approaches to teaching and learning. For instance, there's the "Traditional" school that models its approach on a structured, some might say strict method of teaching -- sort of the old-fashioned way where kids sit in their seats all day and follow the teachers instructions. That can work for some kids, but not all.

There's also the Science and Math (think STEM) approach, the Expeditionary Learning, and the Spanish Immersion, among maybe a handful of others. I think the fact that families have choices gives our entire county a chance to pick the program that will work best for our own kids. Not sure why this kind of approach isn't more widespread -- which would give kids the chance to opt out of neighborhood schools if those schools aren't performing. Sort of like the charter approach without the charter structure.

The problem I have with charter schools is the data are very inconclusive at best. Some studies suggest charter schools perform worse than traditional public schools -- especially when you compare apples to apples. I just don't see any clear data suggesting that this approach works better overall than traditional public schools -- and it seems to me the main point of charter schools is to break teachers' unions. We can obviously debate the pros and cons of teachers' unions -- but we should be upfront about it and not use charter schools as a Trojan Horse in that agenda.

Charter schools have had pretty convulsive results in urban areas. I agree it has been hit or miss in totality across the board. The real problem has to do with maintaining quality educators, who are apt to leave when better opportunities arise. Money isn't the issue, they have thrown truckloads at this problem and it hasn't even put a dent in the status quo.

It starts with parents being behind their children. Family is the single most important factor in the success of our children and its not really debatable. The attack on the nuclear family is shocking and absolutely reckless.