Great white caught from the beach in Panama City

[jmwnole]

First one ever caught from the shore in Florida!

http://www.al.com/news/beaches/index.ssf/2015/03/great_white_shark_caught_relea.html
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[jmwnole]

http://www.al.com/news/beaches/index.ssf/2015/03/great_white_shark_caught_relea.html

 

[FSUTribe76]

Originally posted by jmwnole:
http://www.al.com/news/beaches/index.ssf/2015/03/great_white_shark_caught_relea.html

About three or four years ago while fishing from a rented boat I caught a roughly three foot baby mako a few miles off of St Marks, possibly a Great White although it looked closer to a mako. That's basically the size they are born at (24 inches for makos and 3 ft for great whites), so I suppose it went immediately from being born to jumping on my line.

The same trip my wife caught a five inch kingfish. So we were catching all kinds of babies.

(And yes it was a mako or maybe a great white, it had the right shape, coloring and teeth and wasn't a sharpnose, dogfish, bull or any of the other sharks you commonly catch).

 

[cmanole]

Probably the same one that attacked the boat there about a week ago.

 

[JohnnieHolmesNole]

These guys are everywhere.
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[Jake Blank]

The one that attacked the boat a few weeks ago was def a mako. This one is a white shark, just a little guy, but a great white for sure.
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[FSUSarah]

Makes me happy that they released it. Hope it survives the ordeal. But who are these guys and why and how are they tagging sharks?

 

[divinnole]

Originally posted by Jake Blank:
The one that attacked the boat a few weeks ago was def a mako. This one is a white shark, just a little guy, but a great white for sure.


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Is this your own conjecture or have you heard officially it was a mako? I know the FWC has had the film viewed by several "shark experts" and all have said it is a GW. Even though in adults the GW are far bigger in girth than a mako most makos that have I seen that big are a lot thicker than that and have blue hue to them.
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[cmanole]

Originally posted by Jake Blank:
The one that attacked the boat a few weeks ago was def a mako. This one is a white shark, just a little guy, but a great white for sure.
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No, it was a great white. Where did you see it was a mako?

 

[larandtra]

There are a couple of tagged great whites that cruise the east coast. I know one is a pretty sizable female the other is a younger one. Haven't heard of a tagged male. Cool that they got one tagged and hopefully they can track movements. The GW is a protected species so they are lucky they didn't get into trouble. But at least they treated it well and got it tagged and safely back into the water
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[Jake Blank]

I actually talked today with a guy who works for the FWC about the great white that was caught and released. During that convo, I said "that one in the video wasn't really a great white was it, sure didn't look like one" he said no it wasn't and told me "somebody on facebook said that we (the fwc) confirmed it, and everybody ran with it"

Me and just about every person I know who saw the video thought it clearly looked like a mako, had a blueish tint on top, very pointy nose, didn't have those huge gill slits that white sharks do. I've seen quite a few shortfin makos in my day, and that's exactly what that looked like to me.
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[FSUTribe76]

Originally posted by Jake Blank:
I actually talked today with a guy who works for the FWC about the great white that was caught and released. During that convo, I said "that one in the video wasn't really a great white was it, sure didn't look like one" he said no it wasn't and told me "somebody on facebook said that we (the fwc) confirmed it, and everybody ran with it"

Me and just about every person I know who saw the video thought it clearly looked like a mako, had a blueish tint on top, very pointy nose, didn't have those huge gill slits that white sharks do. I've seen quite a few shortfin makos in my day, and that's exactly what that looked like to me.
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I'd love to agree with you as I would love to laugh at the screwup....but that's a Great White. Three big indicators it's not a shortfin mako is 1) the head isn't pointy enough it's pretty wide, 2) the eyes are very clearly in the grey/blue part of the markings in makos it's usually in the white part of the markings of right at the bottom of the colored section and 3) the teeth of makos are pretty long and pointy while this guy is pretty triangular. Small great whites have teeth that are a little pointer as babies before they start to widen even further with age but look up pics of a mako jaw and you'll see it's nowhere near as wide as these teeth. Plus when I was fishing in New Zealand we were catching so many fish (sometimes three on the same line) that our guide could barely keep up with filleting and tossing the carcasses to the albatrosses and we ended up accidentally chumming up a couple of "small" GWs about 10-13 ft or so that looked just like this one in Kaikoura.

As far as my little baby shark, I'm still about 95-99% it was a baby mako because of the same characteristics but since it was basically a newborn baby I'll give myself a little margin of error for possible cool factor and say it COULD have been a baby great white.

Sidenote, it will be very tough for any fishing adventure in the future to top that trip to Kaikoura. Not only did we catch basically an unlimited amount of red cod, blue cod, orange roughy and sea perch and pulled up a pair each of rock lobsters in the same trap we laid before going out, but we saw three species of albatross including the largest flying bird the wandering albatross, hectors/Mickey mouse Dolphins, dusky dolphins, sperm whales, hundreds if not thousands of NZ Fur Seals, "small" Great Whites, leopard seals and hookers sea lions. Then later that same day when we took a whalewatching tour (wasn't expecting to see Sperm Whales for free while fishing) we saw several more sperm whales right up close as well as were some of the first people to see a particular species of beaked whales never before photographed alive (they were known only from washed up carcasses every decade or so and an Australian science team "discovered them" at Kaikoura officially a week later. Apparently our hour long sighting and photos were only "unofficial". It was very cool to see the rare tiny four foot long Hectors Dolphin the same time we saw the beaked whales (looks basically like a bottle nose dolphin but 40+ feet long. So basically tiny Dolphins that looked like orcas and giant dolphin looking whales.

 

[Jake Blank]

We might be talking about different things. The one in the pics that this thread is originally about, is a great white for all those reasons you just listed (rounded nose, eye location, broader teeth etc)

I was commenting on a shark from an unrelated video that made the rounds a couple weeks ago. It was reported that the fwc confirmed that one was a white shark as well, but I had an fwc official refute that report, and every person I know that is knowledgeable about sharks thought it looked much more like a mako than a great white.

Regardless, there are undoubtedly some white sharks in the area and that's something worth keeping an eye on. My guess is they are closer to shore than usual to try and pick off some cobias that will be migrating through the area soon.
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[cmanole]

Here is the video. Note where the tail and the tail fin come together. Where is goes from a fat torso to the tail. Makos aren't like that, great whites are. This is most certainly a great white. Now your FWC boy might be talking about yet another incedent, maybe the one where they caught the huge mako a while back, but this particular video that was making the rounds last week was a great white and due to the similar size of the one caught it's the same shark...

Video

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

That's a twenty-footer...

 

[FSUTribe76]

Originally posted by cmanole:
Here is the video. Note where the tail and the tail fin come together. Where is goes from a fat torso to the tail. Makos aren't like that, great whites are. This is most certainly a great white. Now your FWC boy might be talking about yet another incedent, maybe the one where they caught the huge mako a while back, but this particular video that was making the rounds last week was a great white and due to the similar size of the one caught it's the same shark...

Yeah that one is roughly the same size maybe slightly smaller than those we accidentally chummed up in NZ.

 

[Jake Blank]

Confirmation bias is obviously hard at work here. I'm not gonna invest the time into showing you countless pics of both species from various angles and detailing the differences. What you are seeing in that video is not a broad torso that goes right into the tail. It looks that way because the angle of the video being directly above the shark. That is what's called the caudal keel and both species have it. That being said, I stand to gain nothing by convincing you its a mako so I'm going to retire my efforts to do so.
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[Squirrel J.]

Originally posted by Formerly Rockymtnole:
That's a twenty-footer...

Twenty five, three tons of him!

 

[cmanole]

Originally posted by Jake Blank:
Confirmation bias is obviously hard at work here. I'm not gonna invest the time into showing you countless pics of both species from various angles and detailing the differences. What you are seeing in that video is not a broad torso that goes right into the tail. It looks that way because the angle of the video being directly above the shark. That is what's called the caudal keel and both species have it. That being said, I stand to gain nothing by convincing you its a mako so I'm going to retire my efforts to do so.
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There is no confimation bias. It is what it is...

 

[Spearchucker87]

Originally posted by Jake Blank:
My guess is they are closer to shore than usual to try and pick off some cobias that will be migrating through the area soon.

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Thank you. A much more sound and viable theory than mine. I looked at that guy in the photo and said no way did he catch 9 foot great white off the beach unless the fish WANTED to be caught. A "suicide by fisherman" kind of thing.

 

[CC0492]

Originally posted by Squirrel J.:

Originally posted by Formerly Rockymtnole:
That's a twenty-footer...

Twenty five, three tons of him!

How do we handle this?
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[flatskw88]

On one of the first close ups of the tail it is wider and sharper than that of a Mako so I'm guessing it's a Great White......Can't tell for the sure the dorsal looked taller that a Mako's as well.

No real expertise other than Conch blood and over 50 plus years of fishing in the Keys....................

 

[cmanole]

Originally posted by flatskw88:
On one of the first close ups of the tail it is wider and sharper than that of a Mako so I'm guessing it's a Great White......Can't tell for the sure the dorsal looked taller that a Mako's as well.

No real expertise other than Conch blood and over 50 plus years of fishing in the Keys....................

The video I linked is a great white. Joe is confused...