I wasn't criticizing you at all amigo....I think the gates are spinning as fast as they can.... The below is going around my office.....very funny if you saw the South Park episode it came from.
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Griers Positive Test - Cover-UP
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I wasn't criticizing you at all amigo....I think the gates are spinning as fast as they can.... The below is going around my office.....very funny if you saw the South Park episode it came from.
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Seems legit...cause you know how young reporters who have a scoop like that generally bury it instead of putting it out their on Twitter/Blog-o-sphere to help their career....
Well that's why I said take it with a grain of salt. You can trust said Young ambitious woman or not. She definitely would have gotten the GNC rep fired if true as they would have Zero customers if people knew you could find out what weird boner supplements and Spanish fly they bought.
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This is a real thing being passed around social media (Twitter, Facebook) by the Orange and Blue belly crawlers. Grier got caught so #BlameJameis
This is comparing hamsters to atomic bombs. The NCAA does not get involved in suspending players for alleged criminal conduct or "inappropriate language" and had nothing to do with Jaboo's suspension. That was our illustrious leadership, going behind Jimbo's back to suspend him for a half, wait, a full game prior to Clemson. Grier violated a clear NCAA rule in taking a banned supplement and admitted to taking a supplement, just feigned ignorance of its content (which is a bunch of hooey IMHO). They are told over and over again not to put supplements or medications in their body without consulting with trainers / medical staff first. Ignorance is not a defense. He put on an inhuman amount of "good weight" in a year. Making generalizations and ignoring "bad facts" to drive your agenda is a clear sign of a weak mind. Go gata.
Gator fans are still the top 1% of all delusional people in the world.
You're expecting rational thinking and discussion from Gator fans?
I would like to start a combined Kickstarter and Change.Org to erect an Aaron Hernandez statue outside Florida Field. I feel he is being overlooked by his own ungrateful fanbase in the midst of Grier-mania.
Mizaru, Kikazaru and Iwazaru are on UF's coaching staff
For a minute I thought you were speaking Double-Dutch!
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For a minute I thought you were speaking Double-Dutch!
http://www.wikihow.com/Learn-to-Speak-Double-Dutch
I was thinking names of ships in Japan's Pacific fleet that attacked Pearl Harbor. I dunno...
It has DHEA in it. This story basically says he took a banned steroid.
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@Nolomite might not believe this but double dutch bus played that day AFTER I read this, just shuffling through my music.
The Gators were well aware of his failing the first test as well. There were a couple of weeks between the original test and when the confirmatory test occurred. It would be interesting to know if Grier lied to the coaches after the first test or if Coach MacAttack purposefully turned a blind eye in between tests.
They probably stalled as long as possible (as most would) to maximize Grier's gridiron performance. It's football...got keep 'em eligible as long as possible.
But according to AlligatorArmy,"McElwain said Monday that he learned of the failed test Sunday night."
Is it actually plausible that message boards knew about the tests before the head coach? Why would UF's AD keep the head coach in the dark about the starting QB failing a drug test? If McElwain knew of it before Sunday, why lie about that?
Not one team in the NCAA would have benched Grier until that 2nd test result came back, not one! And to answer the question, no I don't think he should have been benched because it is well known that some of the over the counter crap can create false positives.
Yes. Similar to holding out a player while under criminal charges. I actually worked for awhile as an expert speaker for the largest urine testing company in the world so I know a little bit about the subject. We're not talking a "cup test" like employers, general medical practitioners and pain medicine doctors use as a preliminary test and uses easy to fool and frequently wrong (the large companies will claim 95% accuracy but that's still one out of 20 being wrong for the best products) and really speaking as a current risk manager at a number of addiction centers, pain management centers, small hospitals, surgical centers etc...those "cup tests" are really more inaccurate than the claims. One client had an entire batch from Ameritox that was giving false positives.
But that's not what we're talking about. What he underwent for the first test was high complexity gas and/or liquid chromatography which are $500k machines that break down the urine and give incredibly accurate results on the order of 99.9999%. So after his first test there's maybe a one in 10,000 or even better that he was falsely accused. The second confirmatory is just eliminating that ridiculously tiny percentage. So as a coach...you know hee guilty after the first one.
Again that's different than the "cup tests" commonly used by employers and medical practices and cost about $5 to administer. This liquid or gas chromatography test is a multi-thousand dollar test (depending upon what's being tested and how many different tests are being performed, a standard pain patient profile (so cocaine, opioids, benzos, pot, and some other standard street and pharmaceutical drugs) is still $1,000-1,500 and the test for various designer PEDs is going to be far more expensive and exacting. Those cup tests are used by pain and addiction centers simply as screens to see if the patients urine needs to be shipped off to the real labs for quantitative analysis.
No. Otc does not falsely skew the types of test he underwent. It can fool the %*^+y chemical strip "cup tests" and does so ALL the time. But youre not getting anything but a ridiculously tiny amount of incorrect results in liquid and gas chromatography tests.
Okay, I stand corrected, but if the rule states that he is subject to suspension after the B sample confirms a positive test, then I would still not suspend until the B result came back.
Maybe I have less tolerance for BS from employees but the only way I wouldn't have immediately suspended him is IF Grier expressly told me that he had taken nothing that would have triggered the results. Then I would probably wait in case he's that rare 100,000th individual who did test incorrectly. Of course then if I found out that not only did he test positive BUT he lied to me...he's gone. Not just a suspension like if he had been honest.
He's a good quarterback and McElwain needed to prove his offense. If I were him, I'd have waited until I absolutely had to suspend him. Who knows what will happen next year. They are winning now, and the wins still count. That Ole Miss game was incredibly important for McElwain.
This is what GatorZone said:
1. Grier tested positive for something a few weeks ago. The NCAA follows a two-step, A sample / B sample testing protocol. Upon a positive A sample test, the B sample is sent for more rigorous testing.
Notably, the AD and the athlete are notified, but the coach is not. It is up to the AD whether the coach is involved when an A sample tests positive. There are many reasons why a coach would not be informed, most notably that no one wants the athlete treated differently until the positive test is confirmed by testing the B sample (eligibility is not impacted until the positive result is confirmed by the B sample).
At UF, the coach is not typically notified of an positive A sample test. It is very likely Mac was not informed.
Thus, the timeline was (1) positive A sample test returned a couple of weeks ago; (2) positive B sample test returned on Saturday or Sunday. Foley and Grier surely knew this was hanging around out there for weeks. Mac was not told until Sunday.
2. The saturday night leak: There was a post on 24/7 Sports Saturday night that said something like "we are about to lose our favorite player because of roids." This poster had to have access to the B sample test results. They either work for (1) Drug Free Sport, the agency that administers the drug tests or the lab DFS utilizes (2) the UF athletic department or (3) the NCAA, because no one else would have had that info on Saturday night. Also, assuming the Griers got a legal representative involved after the positive A sample test, the poster could have some affiliation or contact with the legal rep.
3. This is less solid info, but I'm told he tested positive for an ostarine derivative, a relatively new anabolic compound showing up in mail order supplements. Note that the NCAA does not ban specific substances -- instead it bans anything chemically related to known banned categories. Grier was banned for an "anabolic compound" as defined by the NCAA, and supposedly it was some ostarine derivative, but it is unlikely we will ever be told the exact substance. Ostarine is not illegal, but it is clearly an anabolic compound and marketed as such.
So, how would a player know that he can't take this if it's not illegal? Is it on the list of banned substances by the NCAA?
I would like to go on record now saying I had nothing to do with this!
If I was a coach of a major CFB program, I would be pissed if my AD and QB kept a major story like this from me, even if he was cleared in the 2nd test.
Man...all they build is a Chinese firewall. You don't think someone walks by coaches office and says "let's go for a walk."
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It must be on a published list. Otherwise how would you possibly enforce it?>
As for me, because it was allegedly an over the counter product, it could have very well been an honest mistake. If that's the case, that really sucks to cost him a whole year.
If that gator guy is right, all they'd have to do is ban anabolic compounds as a class. Because new anabolics are coming out all the time, the NCAA seems to say that it's not their responsibility to identify and name them all, it's the athlete's responsibility to make sure they never take one. I guess that's why FSU is adamant that our players clear anything and everything with the staff before taking it.
I agree with you if it's an honest mistake. But boy it's still poor oversight by the staff. You see a guy gaining that much weight and you don't just ask him what all he's taking and confirm that it's ok? Well, maybe they were aware of an approved supplement he was getting through them, but didn't know about the extra prohibited anabolic.
Kids in D1 programs don't buy stuff at the local store. They get stuff from their programs so things like this don't happen. Unless they are morons or are looking for something "extra".
Lance Armstrong, Floyd Landis, Alberto Contador....all innocent until they could deny no longer.
