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Huge Confederate Flag rally in Ocala

Pawwwwl, everybody complainin' about their rights to free expression being stymied and yet the first amendment in the CSA constitution don't give no protections to free speech Pawwwwl. Imma hang up n listen.
 
So are you saying your beliefs are not based on the bible or your church? I didn't mean to imply you quoted the bible in that post but your argument (which is riddled with holes) is the exact same argument that evagelical crazies use. I guess I shouldn't assume but it sure seems in line with those thoughts. The main point I was making is that just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean they shouldn't be able to do it. The entire point of freedom is respecting others rights to enjoy their freedom as they see fit. If you want freedom for yourself you have to allow it for all. "Created equal" includes ALL OF US.

So shrimp are ok to eat despite the bible saying no.....you just don't like the taste. So can't you just not worry about gay marriage like you do shrimp?

Seriously everybody's beliefs are based on some past code of morality. We agree murder, stealing, lying are wrong.
I am sure that you maintain love thy neighbor, and you don't worship yourself, that integrity and character are things that you want in your offspring.

There are things that were put in place in all civilizations around the world that have worked forever, marriage is one of them....I have not quoted the Bible (love thy neighbor not withstanding), and I am not saying this is solely a Christian issue, but rather a civilization issue...weakening what marriage does not make this country or any country stronger....I am sure that you cherish your wife, and your mother and father, and you realize what protection are in place for your wife and mother if there would be a death to the husband with regard to benefits and status in the law..... they were put in place for the benefit for children and women who spend so much love and time taking care of the children.....no matter what mothers mother children...and it takes away from their career....(being a mother is so much harder than being a father).
Is there not a part of you that gets the idea marriage is bigger than what has been the farce the tv is making it.

I think that saying that marriage is just "OK" because two people love each other is a slippery slope. Polygamy is that next.

Why get married if it is not a special union for the purpose of something greater than ourselves.
 
Gay marriage doesn't weaken our country or any country, you have no reason whatsoever to believe this other than your belief in the Bible. Just say that and own it. Stop trying to dress it up as a REAL argument when you know good and well that's the only reason you believe it to be true.
 
Actually, there are already movements afoot to change the names of schools that include "Robert E. Lee" in their titles. Dixie County can't be far behind. Not sure what the poor Kappa Alpha fraternity is going to do.

I don't understand this. REL freed all of his family's slaves when he inherited the estate. He only joined the southern forces to protect his home. Why is he racist exactly? Why is the word Dixie racist?
 
I don't understand this. REL freed all of his family's slaves when he inherited the estate. He only joined the southern forces to protect his home. Why is he racist exactly? Why is the word Dixie racist?

I Don't think these crusaders will need to argue that he's racist, only that he led an army whose victory would have left the south free to ignore the emancipation of slaves, continue their subjugation/oppression, and protect a slave-based enconomy in much of the south.

I don't see anything wrong with "Dixie".

To me Lee's service was honorable. Kind of silly to tear down his monument when Washington and Jefferson did less for their slaves than he did.
 
I don't understand this. REL freed all of his family's slaves when he inherited the estate. He only joined the southern forces to protect his home. Why is he racist exactly? Why is the word Dixie racist?

Just to be clear, I am not part of these movements and do not really understand them. I'm just telling you I know this because "REL" is being removed from the name of a local school.
 
Seriously everybody's beliefs are based on some past code of morality. We agree murder, stealing, lying are wrong.
I am sure that you maintain love thy neighbor, and you don't worship yourself, that integrity and character are things that you want in your offspring.

There are things that were put in place in all civilizations around the world that have worked forever, marriage is one of them....I have not quoted the Bible (love thy neighbor not withstanding), and I am not saying this is solely a Christian issue, but rather a civilization issue...weakening what marriage does not make this country or any country stronger....I am sure that you cherish your wife, and your mother and father, and you realize what protection are in place for your wife and mother if there would be a death to the husband with regard to benefits and status in the law..... they were put in place for the benefit for children and women who spend so much love and time taking care of the children.....no matter what mothers mother children...and it takes away from their career....(being a mother is so much harder than being a father).
Is there not a part of you that gets the idea marriage is bigger than what has been the farce the tv is making it.

I think that saying that marriage is just "OK" because two people love each other is a slippery slope. Polygamy is that next.

Why get married if it is not a special union for the purpose of something greater than ourselves.

We have several long time friends as well as some family members who have finally been allowed to marry and adopt kids. They may not have "made" these kids, but they love and care for them nonetheless.
One of the issues that came up recently for both a cousin and a friend was the decedent's property...both of these couples had been together for 30+ years and being married allowed for a clear title to the survivor.
Better these kids are in a loving household than wards of the state...each child was "rescued" from druggie situations.
 
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The rebel Flag is much more than just an expression of Southern pride. It seems to be an expression of yearning of days
long ago past. The black man is now free, and reminding a large segment of our population that they were once little more than
owned property, little better than live stock to their masters, is counter productive to a country that boasts to be the best country
in the world. We will be better off once the rebel flag is confined to the trash bin of history.
 
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Reminds me when I used to go to Hudson, FL to visit my Uncle growing up. All of the trailers I'd see right near him had Confederate flags and a lot of them had UF stuff up as well. Hope he moved out of that dump area.

Hudtucky....
 
When you remove the original meaning of a union of a man and a woman to make a complete unit that is able to legitimize the procreation of children, so that the child would have a family unit to thrive in.

When you change that and remove the central tenant of that union, which was for procreation of children, yes you are against the purpose of marriage, or anti-marriage.

Two men or two women cannot by themselves create life together without the help of someone else, hence the reason for the marriage is not therefore compatible with Biology or Anatomy....two subjects that can be studied at most schools.

All it ends up is being a destruction of the family.

Last time I looked, we are doing quite well in the procreation department, despite the number of gay couples, couples that cannot conceive, couples who choose not to have kids, etc. There are already too many humans on this planet, imagine what it would be like if everyone was making babies left and right.

As for the "destruction of the family", I have a whole lot more respect for a gay couple who love and care for each other and raise a child that they love and care for, than a married heterosexual couple who keep having kids that they do not properly take care of.
 
I was in Homosassa Springs last weekend. Did not see a single black person, but saw numerous rebel flags, one of which was prominently displayed on the main drag with a sign saying, "I'm not coming down" on it. There are truly some pockets of old south left in Florida.
 
I was in Homosassa Springs last weekend. Did not see a single black person, but saw numerous rebel flags, one of which was prominently displayed on the main drag with a sign saying, "I'm not coming down" on it. There are truly some pockets of old south left in Florida.
Was in Myrtle last weekend and (not surprisingly considering it's Myrtle Beach), there were several confederate flag bikinis and bathing suits (not surprisingly on some fairly obese men and women). Saw a few confederate flags on boats on Wrightsville Beach as well.

At this point, considering everything that's been said, you just have to look at these social miscreants and shake your head, some people will never get it, either out of simple-minded stupidity or asinine stubborn ignorance.
 
Was in Myrtle last weekend and (not surprisingly considering it's Myrtle Beach), there were several confederate flag bikinis and bathing suits (not surprisingly on some fairly obese men and women). Saw a few confederate flags on boats on Wrightsville Beach as well.

At this point, considering everything that's been said, you just have to look at these social miscreants and shake your head, some people will never get it, either out of simple-minded stupidity or asinine stubborn ignorance.

It's the "you're not the boss of me" attitude.

That said, I'm willing to consider an exception for pretty much anything if it's on a bikini.
 
That said, I'm willing to consider an exception for pretty much anything if it's on a bikini.
Trust me, these exceptions would have crushed some ribs. I hope they paid extra bc they were using a lot of fabric. It actually made me laugh that the most ridiculously obese people were the ones wearing the CBF... if the girls had been hot, what a loss for humanity.
 
Was in Myrtle last weekend and (not surprisingly considering it's Myrtle Beach), there were several confederate flag bikinis and bathing suits (not surprisingly on some fairly obese men and women). Saw a few confederate flags on boats on Wrightsville Beach as well.

At this point, considering everything that's been said, you just have to look at these social miscreants and shake your head, some people will never get it, either out of simple-minded stupidity or asinine stubborn ignorance.
Or pride, and an aversion to ignorance like yours.
 
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Or pride, and an aversion to ignorance like yours.
Ah yes, or that. Must have forgotten.

We're all entitled to our opinions, but man I really wish you wouldn't stain our garnet and gold colors with that abomination in your avatar -- though on the plus side, it does let me know where you stand.
 
Ah yes, or that. Must have forgotten.

We're all entitled to our opinions, but man I really wish you wouldn't stain our garnet and gold colors with that abomination in your avatar -- though on the plus side, it does let me know where you stand.
And where would that be?
 
Last time I looked, we are doing quite well in the procreation department, despite the number of gay couples, couples that cannot conceive, couples who choose not to have kids, etc. There are already too many humans on this planet, imagine what it would be like if everyone was making babies left and right.

As for the "destruction of the family", I have a whole lot more respect for a gay couple who love and care for each other and raise a child that they love and care for, than a married heterosexual couple who keep having kids that they do not properly take care of.

Check America birth rate...it ain't so hot....

All parents should take care of their children....but gay couples can not procreate by themselves is the point
 
Seriously everybody's beliefs are based on some past code of morality. We agree murder, stealing, lying are wrong.
I am sure that you maintain love thy neighbor, and you don't worship yourself, that integrity and character are things that you want in your offspring.

There are things that were put in place in all civilizations around the world that have worked forever, marriage is one of them....I have not quoted the Bible (love thy neighbor not withstanding), and I am not saying this is solely a Christian issue, but rather a civilization issue...weakening what marriage does not make this country or any country stronger....I am sure that you cherish your wife, and your mother and father, and you realize what protection are in place for your wife and mother if there would be a death to the husband with regard to benefits and status in the law..... they were put in place for the benefit for children and women who spend so much love and time taking care of the children.....no matter what mothers mother children...and it takes away from their career....(being a mother is so much harder than being a father).
Is there not a part of you that gets the idea marriage is bigger than what has been the farce the tv is making it.

I think that saying that marriage is just "OK" because two people love each other is a slippery slope. Polygamy is that next.

Why get married if it is not a special union for the purpose of something greater than ourselves.

so have homosexual relationships (been around forever). allowing them to be called a "marriage" doesnt change their effect on a heterosexual marriage. Will men marrying men somehow stop another man from marrying a women and conceiving a child? that makes no sense. will a hetero couple decline marriage and children because a girl-on-girl marriage can now occur? highly doubt it. I assume homosexuals will generally marry homosexuals and heteros to heteros. The "balance" remains (as it has for centuries), just now a whole sect of relationships get recognized as the other has. how has your life and/or marriage changed since the ruling? how do you see society being affected in the long run? are there more important conundrums to focus on as they relate the "health" of the human race?

just a note that the "we have done it this way forever" argument is ridiculous. Do you enjoy advancements in technology, medicine, cuisine, music, etc? You should build on the past and look for ways to improve, not stand still because "it works." Changing things doesnt automatically mean you break them.

as for shrimp...do you not like the taste of crab or lobster?
 
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Check America birth rate...it ain't so hot....

All parents should take care of their children....but gay couples can not procreate by themselves is the point

and you can isolate this effect from all other cultural shifts and point to gay marriage as the root?
 
Seriously everybody's beliefs are based on some past code of morality. We agree murder, stealing, lying are wrong.
I am sure that you maintain love thy neighbor, and you don't worship yourself, that integrity and character are things that you want in your offspring.

There are things that were put in place in all civilizations around the world that have worked forever, marriage is one of them....I have not quoted the Bible (love thy neighbor not withstanding), and I am not saying this is solely a Christian issue, but rather a civilization issue...weakening what marriage does not make this country or any country stronger....I am sure that you cherish your wife, and your mother and father, and you realize what protection are in place for your wife and mother if there would be a death to the husband with regard to benefits and status in the law..... they were put in place for the benefit for children and women who spend so much love and time taking care of the children.....no matter what mothers mother children...and it takes away from their career....(being a mother is so much harder than being a father).
Is there not a part of you that gets the idea marriage is bigger than what has been the farce the tv is making it.

I think that saying that marriage is just "OK" because two people love each other is a slippery slope. Polygamy is that next.

Why get married if it is not a special union for the purpose of something greater than ourselves.
If marriage has "worked forever", why is 60% of America divorced?
 
Don't we have enough people already?
Actually, while it might seem that way (and did to me for quite a while), to compete with the workforce and productivity of other nations, we're going to need more people (though not hundreds of millions more) to continue to maintain our relative position in the world's economy.
 
Actually, while it might seem that way (and did to me for quite a while), to compete with the workforce and productivity of other nations, we're going to need more people (though not hundreds of millions more) to continue to maintain our relative position in the world's economy.
I have to disagree with that, but it's probably better suited for it's own thread.
 
If marriage has "worked forever", why is 60% of America divorced?

I've heard the "50% of marriages end in divorce" cliché over and over, but never a "60% of America is divorced" one. It's not true.

The divorce rate peaked in the 1970s and early 1980s and has been declining for the three decades since.

About 70 percent of marriages that began in the 1990s reached their 15th anniversary (excluding those in which a spouse died), up from about 65 percent of those that began in the 1970s and 1980s. Those who married in the 2000s are so far divorcing at even lower rates. If current trends continue, nearly two-thirds of marriages will never involve a divorce, according to data from Justin Wolfers, a University of Michigan economist.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/02/u...=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=2&abt=0002&abg=0

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1989124,00.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/19/health/divorce-rate-its-not-as-high-as-you-think.html
 
Not sure what ncnole got the 60% number from, but he could mean that 60% of the population has been divorced, not necessarily that 60% of marriages end in divorce.

Without looking it up, saying 60% of America (of legal age) has been divorced doesn't sound that far-fetched as saying 60% of marriages end in divorce. Just my .02
 
Without looking it up, saying 60% of America (of legal age) has been divorced doesn't sound that far-fetched as saying 60% of marriages end in divorce. Just my .02

From the US Census Bureau:

While overall, 21 percent of men and 22 percent of women had ever been divorced, the percentage ever divorced was highest for adults aged 50 to 69 (about 36 percent).
 
I'm simply curious, not really being antagonistic, but trying to find your data (I'm a data guy) and this was first thing I found when I got to census page on divorce and marriage:

The Census Bureau is not the official source for administrative counts of marriages and divorces that take place in a given year.

But I am interested in the data, will keep looking for source. Not necessarily arguing with whether you're right or wrong.
 
Thanks. The more I think about it, I was probably overestimating the number of people who have gotten married to begin with more than the cumulative total of divorcees though.
 
I know it's anecdotal evidence, but out of my three friends that really hung around with in high school, only one is still with his high school sweetheart.......the other two have been divorced, one is going through his second divorce and the other is about to get married a 4th time.
 
I know it's anecdotal evidence, but out of my three friends that really hung around with in high school, only one is still with his high school sweetheart.......the other two have been divorced, one is going through his second divorce and the other is about to get married a 4th time.

Married for a 4th time??? Dude may not be mentally competent.
 
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