You may remember my rules about certain school colors in my house; well another rule looks like it is going down. Daughter is on a college tour right now and Clemson is a possibility; a back up but it is moving up the list. Right now it is PACE, Michigan, Northwestern, Elon/Clemson,and FSU is on there too. She is going to be a musical theater major so I am hoping she goes with PACE due to location. I guess the bright side is Clemson is an in sate school; but she will get scholarships so not really worth having a Clemson student in my house. She also promised that the t-shirt she got will be purple and not orange; small victories I guess. Could be worse she could be thinking about uf or um; she would be out of the will if that happened.
I have failed as a father
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Someone on these boards was talking about one of their kids going to Clemson not too long ago. I wouldn't fight which school she is leaning towards but would put all my efforts into suggesting she double major.
Yep. Theater and math or whatever. A double major in an art and a real subject is often looked at very favorably in professional fields.
No fight from me I just like kidding her. I am sure she will be wearing the clemson shirt when I get home tonight.
Who knew that when you defiantly tell your teenage children that they can't do something...that they want to and/or outright do that thing?
Weird.
Weird.
My SIL went to Auburn's Vet school years ago. She doesn't exhibit any obnoxious sec homerism traits like my gator brother does, so there's that FOR going to Auburn!
Clemson is an awesome place, and I would have been thrilled for them to be able to go to school there, but it's just not in the cards money wise out of state. They gave my daughter a $15k scholarship, which sounds great, until you see their OOS COA is $50K a year. By comparison, FSU's OOS cost i like $35k, and Pittsburgh is more like $41k.
As nice as Clemson is, $35k/year AFTER scholarships is too rich for my blood. Need them to be about half of that to be in consideration.
As nice as Clemson is, $35k/year AFTER scholarships is too rich for my blood. Need them to be about half of that to be in consideration.
I feel you. My oldest graduates Roll Tide this year.
Thankfully, her very superficial interest in football keeps her from being too obnoxious.
That much for Clemson now? Jebus, the price of colleges have gotten outrageous.
And it’s not just inflation. In 1970 Yale cost $2,500 which adjusts to about $15,000. In 1985 Yale cost $15,000 which adjusts to about $35,000. This year Yale costs $68,000. WTH. There is NO excuse for this greed.
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My son isn't interested in any of the in-state schools. We are going to pay what we can and he'll have to pay the rest via working through school and taking out loans. Hopefully after a year we will be able to get in state tuition since we'll be living down there.
Good data point, Tribe. Some others of note:
- Yale has a $27,200,000,000 endowment
- Yale has 12,300 students
- That breaks down to roughly $2,200,000 per student. I realize this is a meaningless calculation, but to me it's still a cool stat.
- One that may be more useful is that $27.2 billion, an ultra-conservative 3% interest, generates $81,600,000 per year. Divide that by 12,000 students and you get $68,000 per person...which magically correlates to the annual cost Tribe quoted.
That's dumbfounding to me.
Alabama has a very lucrative scholarship program, I'm guessing since most instate kids wont qualify. (I kid, I kid). If her out of state tuition is covered by a partial or full tuition scholarship, the other costs are the same.
The downside of leaving Florida is if she stays in Florida, she qualifies for 100% tuition reimbursement through Bright Futures, leaving the tuition I paid with Florida Prepaid available for other expenses. But not if she leaves the state.
Please, please please get accepted to FSU next year!
Not to split hairs but Yale will be $72k starting in the fall. Colorado University $59k. Texas @ Austin $52k. It’s crazy money to go private or out of state. FSU $23k, UofF $22k (in-state). Of course these are rack rates that few pay but still. Colorado OOS differential is $24k/yr. Nuts.
Yep, that's why I have a Bama grad. Hit a certain ACT/SAT, automatic scholarship. My oldest, who was smart but not "next level" smart went to Bama tuition free. We paid room/board of course.
That, plus they have a nice campus, great dorms, and a welcoming atmosphere, and do a tremendous job of recruiting once they get you on campus for a visit. They're very slick...between rolling admissions and and automatic scholarship, kids basically know by November 1 if they got in, and if they can afford it, and they're being invited for events and everything. Before other schools have even closed their early admit deadline.
If a kid likes Alabama a lot after a visit, which many of them do, good luck getting them to hold back until March or April to start getting decisions and aid packages from other schools. My oldest liked it a lot, and I tried to get her to hold off making any decisions until she heard about UGA honors, other sholarships, go to admitted student days, etc. But by Thanksgiving, she'd been to admitted honors student day, gotten her full tuition scholarship, connected with other kids on Facebook and was lining up roommates, had decided what dorm she wanted to live in, etc.
They've just got the recruiting process, like the football team does, down to a very, very effective process.
All this from the state that is close to last in every category that is ranked in America. Amazing.
Bunch of kids (rich) from down here end up going to Alabama and Auburn. Crested Butte was popular for awhile.
Did you ever visit NCst? My daughter has been talking about their engineering dept and wanting to take a visit there of late. I guess we will be traveling to Raleigh in the near future.
No, we never made a visit. She was accepted, but they never offered any money or scholarships (at least so far), and it was never going to be possible without it.
They were also late with admissions results, she just heard a few weeks ago...she'd already moved on from them.
The only out of state (so far) where she got enough to bring it within shouting distance of what it costs to go in-state in Georgia with the Zell Miller scholarship was Alabama and Pittsburgh. Pitt made a very strong offer, especially considering with all the APs they take, she could have cruised through in 3 years, more than offsetting the additional expense. Pitt was a strong second choice (atlhough we didn't visit yet and probably won't now) but her heart is still pretty set on GT.
Not every state is of course as affordable in state as Georgia is with the Hope/Zell scholarships, so we've got a particularly high bar to expect OOS schools to compete with ($12-15k/year).
Vanderbilt still hasn't gotten decisions out. I hear stories of some kids, even with high incomes, getting a lot of aid there on occasion. I guess that could throw things a little bit, but when it's dragged out so long, kids tend to move on.
Yep..to be fair thought, that's part of their plan to change that. Bringing in smarter kids raises the ratings of the university, which helps Alabama kids (<50% of the freshman classes now), and helps keep more smart Alabama kids home for school and therefore after. Some of these smart OOS kids will end up staying, marrying Alabama kids or whatever. More companies could come to or stay in Alabama with a better graduating work force from a better University.
It's a long term play, and they've put untold millions behind it, and it will be decades before results are known, but I see the logic behind it.
I don’t think it’s about greed.
I presume you’re referencing the government’s preferred price index to measure inflation.
I think a more appropriate measure would be of the pool of grants and government backed loans that provide college funding.
Student loan debt today is over a trillion dollars. What was it in the beginning of your example?
I don't see the logic in paying out of state tuition for 99% of public universities. The education is almost certainly interchangeable.
The cost of higher ed is obscene.
The cost of higher ed is obscene.
Yes, there is.
Yale is not in a position to triple the size of their student body - but demand for a Yale education has more than tripled over the time frame you quote. More American kids are going to college than in '70 or (probably) '85, and we have opened the floodgates in letting Asian students in for college. So, the acceptance criteria have crept higher (they were already among the highest on Earth) and the rest of demand mitigation takes place in raising the price. Costs of providing a Yale education have increased markedly as well, and the client-side impact is absorbed by tuition increase as well.
Greed isn't really worse than it was in '70 or '85, it was sunk in there pretty deeply already.
These days, it seems like being a plumber, electrician, HVAC guy, general contractor, or any other trade is the way to guarantee employment and make good money without racking up a ton of debt. You don't need to pay $70k per year to go to business school to learn how to make and manage money.
I hope FSU is high on that list b/c they have a darn good musical theater program.They are currently doing Addams Family IIRC. That is a demanding show so she would be challenged if she went there. NW I can understand. I don't with the others if that is the major she wants to pursue.
Does 100% reimbursement actually cover 100%? When my kids started college, they both qualified for 75% Bright Futures. The problem was it was 75% of tuituion cost from years prior. As the cost per hour increased, the contribution of Bright Futures stayed the same. The 75% actually ended up being closer to 35%.
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