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Both Clemson and Alabama are fall back schools in GA for kids who can’t get in to UGA.

Georgia is a great school. Their business program, in particular, is phenomenal (buoyed by Big Business in Atlanta that enjoys the benefits of funding a reliable feeder system). I hope the new FSU Business School can soon get off the ground.
 
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it gets better with time. I had to cheer for UF last weekend (sort of). Do club sports count?
 
Did you ever visit NCst? My daughter has been talking about their engineering dept and wanting to take a visit there of late. I guess we will be traveling to Raleigh in the near future.
I know several people who graduated from NC ST Engineering School; nothing but good things to say about it and all of them are real squared away
 
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I hope FSU is high on that list b/c they have a darn good musical theater program.They are currently doing Addams Family IIRC. That is a demanding show so she would be challenged if she went there. NW I can understand. I don't with the others if that is the major she wants to pursue.

FSU is on the list and has actually been trending up. It was my understanding is trending up, unlike our BB team NCAA tourney chances. It was my understanding FSU has a great theater program, but musical theater is not as good; and as I am learning there is a difference. She played Wednesday in Adams Family a couple of years ago. She wants to major in musical theater, not sure of the minor yet. Michigan, PACE and NW are top 5 in musical theater. PACE is #1 since when she toured it she loved it, it is in NY and they work with you if you get an audition or part in a show. She has already been invited to AMDA, she was accepted into their summer program last year and like it but not as interested in going to the school. She was invited to Interlochen this summer and is going, that is when she will tour NW and Michigan. She has already been offered jobs through 2 agencies; but she turned them down. Said she just wants to be a HS kid and be around her friends right now and said there will be plenty of time for the other stuff. She does our local theater and is the only HS student to get a part in their shows, does her school theater and has had the lead role in every play since 7th grade. Also does our local youth theater and gets the same results. She is my kid and all but she is very talented. Some of the directors she has worked with her are from Broadway and tell her she is gifted; but more importantly has the right work effort and mind set for Broadway.
 
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Does 100% reimbursement actually cover 100%? When my kids started college, they both qualified for 75% Bright Futures. The problem was it was 75% of tuituion cost from years prior. As the cost per hour increased, the contribution of Bright Futures stayed the same. The 75% actually ended up being closer to 35%.
I dont know the answer to that question. But I do know any amount reimbursed is more than I would get if she went out of state. What the Florida Prepaid I paid for the fees 16 years ago. So I'm grandfathered in to have all her fees paid for no matter how high the cost. It's just cheaper for her to stay in Florida and for me.
 
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Will she be allowed to wear the shirt at Thanksgiving?

You know maybe we need to re-evaluate the Ranger Nole house rules. I kind of like the idea. My whole family is from Tally but we have a few gates and 1 UGA member. When I was growing up we all wore school colors for Thanksgiving; it was very civil since everyone who is a fan of whatever school actually went to the school they are a fan of. I must say I am happy for my UGA cousin who was the lone UGA guy and never had much to cheer about he is also married to gate. My nephew goes to Clemson and at least she would have back up on Holidays. Honestly though I think if she gets into PACE it is a done deal. Although it is interesting she is fairly shy; except when on stage and has been misjudged as being stuck up. She tells us that when she is on stage she is playing a part it is not her it is a role. I can see Clemson getting the nod because of this and since she knows a bunch of people up there she might be happier. I don't really care either way but the father in me would feel safer with Clemson. PACE is actually VERY safe though since it is kind of a closed campus and right across the street from NYPD HQ; plus I have enough contacts up there to make sure she would have some protection and people to call till I could get up there. Cost while it would suck is what it is; my logic is if you decide to have kids you sacrifice everything to help them succeed. Worse case I go out at night and knock off a bunch of drug dealers then take their money. :)
 
Worse case I go out at night and knock off a bunch of drug dealers then take their money. :)

Lay the Rangerine energy drink to yer hide and go for it. Colors, colors, colors....
 
Does 100% reimbursement actually cover 100%? When my kids started college, they both qualified for 75% Bright Futures. The problem was it was 75% of tuituion cost from years prior. As the cost per hour increased, the contribution of Bright Futures stayed the same. The 75% actually ended up being closer to 35%.

This year Bright Futures paid 100% for the first time in a while. I don't know how far beyond this year it will go but enjoy it while it lasts.
 
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These days, it seems like being a plumber, electrician, HVAC guy, general contractor, or any other trade is the way to guarantee employment and make good money without racking up a ton of debt. You don't need to pay $70k per year to go to business school to learn how to make and manage money.

You are absolutely right Go. If you are planning on owning a business or being an entrepreneur. I made a good living after getting a business degree and having a white collar job, but nothing even close to the living I make as a small roofing contractor.
 
Ranger---- Our son is a Clemson alum and loved it up there. Beautiful place
and reasonable costs (if there is such a thing).

I have come to believe that a college education is very over-rated
for some. The cost is ridiculous in many cases Starting a career deeply
in debt is a huge obstacle for most folks
 
I dont know the answer to that question. But I do know any amount reimbursed is more than I would get if she went out of state. What the Florida Prepaid I paid for the fees 16 years ago. So I'm grandfathered in to have all her fees paid for no matter how high the cost. It's just cheaper for her to stay in Florida and for me.

Some schools will wave out of state tuition. UT Austin offered to wave it for me coming out of Miami though I ended up at fsu.
 
Ranger---- Our son is a Clemson alum and loved it up there. Beautiful place
and reasonable costs (if there is such a thing).

I have come to believe that a college education is very over-rated
for some. The cost is ridiculous in many cases Starting a career deeply
in debt is a huge obstacle for most folks


I am a professor so I am biased, but here are my two cents.

College isn’t for everyone. The push for everyone to go is misguided. This has lead to the proliferation of bad schools. What has happened to the gi bill should be criminal in my opinion.

College doesn’t have to cost a lot of money, even for an average student.

For example, I worked with an undergraduate who worked at Publix, had bright futures, and made it through UF with no debt and no parental assistance. That’s a solid move.

If you’re really low on funds, one can always go community college for aa and shift.

If you’re a high end student, you can get scholarships. A middle-upper class white male probably won’t get much assistance at an Ivy, but my brother, for example, was a national merit finalist and UF, effectively, paid him to go there. Going in that way isn’t the same as going in as a regular student. Schools will do things like give you a selection of classes only accessible to certain students or allow early selection of classes, etc... honors programs are good for this.

Obviously, if you’re going to do anything in the professional world, for the most part, college is necessary. I tend to bias, at the undergrad level, toward arts merged with something science or math oriented. Offers good flexibility.

One of my friends did an undergrad degree in math and engineering, a masters in computer science and a PhD in neuroscience. That seems to be working fairly well. At the entrepreneurial level, engineering/comp sci fields are working really well right now. Scenes in places like Austin are incredibly vibrant.
 
Ranger---- Our son is a Clemson alum and loved it up there. Beautiful place
and reasonable costs (if there is such a thing).

I have come to believe that a college education is very over-rated
for some. The cost is ridiculous in many cases Starting a career deeply
in debt is a huge obstacle for most folks

I know I am mainly kidding. We played them in rugby when I was at FSU and while that was a long time ago; the campus was pretty nice. I was up there a couple of years ago and they are spending money and building like crazy. My nephew goes there and really likes it too. No to mention their Musical theater program is actually pretty good.
 
The thing about college-no college...
I think if you go to college without a plan or get a silly degree you will struggle but in most cases you still have some options. (Although couple with high debt and you may struggle for a long time).

If you don't go to college and have no plan you are starting deep in a hole. I am all for learning a trade or starting a business but you have to stick to it. Not everyone has that drive.
 
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The thing about college-no college...
I think if you go to college without a plan or get a silly degree you will struggle but in most cases you still have some options. (Although couple with high debt and you may struggle for a long time).

If you don't go to college and have no plan you are starting deep in a hole. I am all for learning a trade or starting a business but you have to stick to it. Not everyone has that drive.

Agreed I am avoiding getting into the cost of college debate because IMO there is one very large reason for the cost and this thread likely goes away. As far as knowing what you want to do, getting a degree in a useful skill, learn how to network, do an internship etc. that is how you succeed and don't graduate wondering why you can't find a job. Both my kids know what they want to do and my son will have a job before he graduates, my daughter I guess theater is a tough place, but my understanding is if you are willing to do things on the set with management, set building etc. you will always have work until you get your break. We have friends whos kid graduated Clemson musical theater actually and she is working for in London. She does payroll for whatever group she works for and many other tings while she is trying to land parts.
As far as a trade industry I think it is a much better option for tons of kids and the whole you have to go to thing is really a bad idea for likely 40%-50% of US HS kids. If the circumstances came up I would much rather pay for some tech school for my kids than college. I would also push them that they put a plan in place to one day own their own business. I know plenty of plumbers, electricians, etc that make a really good living. Another very underrated career field is Fireman. If you paid to get your Paramedic license and then went to the areas you liked applying to be a fireman you would have a good job by age 25 and likely retire at 45-50 making 50%-75% of what you made while working. You also have the ability to have a 2nd side job once you have established your FF career. Then you transition to the business you built while being a FF.
 
Not sure if the parents here sending kids to college heard it but Bright Futures is paying 100% again for next year for those that qualify. This will usually cover all tuition and I believe it may also provide help for books but don't hold me to that.
 
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