Is Trump For Real?
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Sounds more like suicide.
And it did come across as if it were a teenage child and not a 40 year old from prescription drugs.
At this point I just want to thank the mods for allowing us to have these threads lately. It's felt more like the old LR, and that's a good thing.
the theory is plausible because this is how the Clintons came to power in the first place (Ross Perot). Of course, Perot was serious, but not as charismatic. Charismatic but insincere may be even more effective.
Whenever I look at candidates, I always try to guess where they fall on this scale
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
For instance, in 2012 we were basically picking the same dude except for the obvious physical, background and characteristic traits. My guess is most GOP candidates and Hillary fall in the right hand top quadrant and Bernie and Rand Paul are further down on the authoritarian scale with Bernie more to the left than Rand. I would love to see a less authoritarian candidate but not holding out any hope for a Bernie vs Rand 2016 election.
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
For instance, in 2012 we were basically picking the same dude except for the obvious physical, background and characteristic traits. My guess is most GOP candidates and Hillary fall in the right hand top quadrant and Bernie and Rand Paul are further down on the authoritarian scale with Bernie more to the left than Rand. I would love to see a less authoritarian candidate but not holding out any hope for a Bernie vs Rand 2016 election.
And her response was to a question about legalizing marijuana...pretty standard straw man.
Hmm...I don't think we were basically picking the same dude. I don't think that we would be in the same place if Rick Santorum won instead of Obama.Whenever I look at candidates, I always try to guess where they fall on this scale
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
For instance, in 2012 we were basically picking the same dude except for the obvious physical, background and characteristic traits. My guess is most GOP candidates and Hillary fall in the right hand top quadrant and Bernie and Rand Paul are further down on the authoritarian scale with Bernie more to the left than Rand. I would love to see a less authoritarian candidate but not holding out any hope for a Bernie vs Rand 2016 election.
I think we take a very American perspective of right and left when it comes to politicians, and understandably. But most mainstream American politicians from either party would fall in the right authoritarian quadrant. Obama was not for gay marriage until close to the 2012 elections, for instance. Which means if he had taken this quiz before then he would've been close to Santorum on the social aspect.
Another interesting observation from applying this to world pols, it seems like American pols like to model themselves after Margaret Thatcher.
As long as the conversation stays on the current track, I won't lock it up. Can't speak for the others.
It shocks me that so many people think of Trump as being charismatic; to me he comes across as a horses ass of epic proportions. There is nothing of his public persona that I find admirable or attractive in a human.
I think that's a chicken and the egg sort of thing. Americans are very prudish/conservative whatever you want to call it in aggragate on social issues. Sure, the younger generation is pushing hard, but they aren't the biggest voting block, so to get elected politicians (even those from the left) have to act more socially conservative to get elected. Once in office they have more freedom...especially when they don't have to worry about reelection.I think we take a very American perspective of right and left when it comes to politicians, and understandably. But most mainstream American politicians from either party would fall in the right authoritarian quadrant. Obama was not for gay marriage until close to the 2012 elections, for instance. Which means if he had taken this quiz before then he would've been close to Santorum on the social aspect.
Another interesting observation from applying this to world pols, it seems like American pols like to model themselves after Margaret Thatcher.
I don't mean just this thread. Just talking the general approach over the last month or two has been more lenient on the topics of discussion and it's been a welcome change.
That makes sense. Unfortunately, when calibrating his politics, the pubilc can only go by what he has publicly acknowledged.
Don't think I can take credit for that. Personally, I try to edit or delete individual post within a thread if the discussion is good even if it is technically a violation. As long as we can act in a civil manner, I'm good with it.
Again, I can't speak for the other mods.
maybe charismatic is the wrong word. he's certainly a celebrity, and he's interesting. and his confidence and bravado, even if its phony, is attractive to a lot of people. similarly, his populist themes resonate in some quarters, especially with people who haven't thought through the issues and don't notice that some of statements contradict each other. people want to rally around that the same way they rally around that bravado.
Trump and Perot have a lot in common, but one big difference is that Trump has a personilty or persona that is interesting in ways that Perot was uninteresting.
Trump is different for sure and I think most importantly people like that he is funding his own campaign...he has no real agenda outside of his own to speak of.
And I don't see much of a difference between the other candidates and Mitt Romney or McCain, who lost the previous two elections. The GOP needs someone who can peruse swing voters to vote for them over the more "relatable" Democratic nominee.
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He seems popular in Washington and Oregon. Also a question I've always wondered-- supposedly the happiest people on the planet live in Sweeden, Norway, etc-- aren't those socialist countries? How are they so happy?
Again, I lean right but have wondered this...
This is a pretty enlightening article. I've read this in the past and the opening jab at Paul Krugman, who is more of a partisan hack than economist, is what intially caught my attention.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timwors...an-and-the-socialist-hellhole-that-is-sweden/
Trump is "refreshing" only from the standpoint that he does not spew the same highly-spun drivel we have come to despise from the "career politicians." But aside from providing a "nice break," Trump cannot win. He has already alienated (many) women and Hispanics, and, well, do the math.....it's not possible for him to win. In fact, he does not even want to win. He is almost 70 years old, and worth billions. Why would he want to live under the microscope of the Presidency at this stage of his life?
This is all a game to him. He will bail out soon enough and return to being a tycoon. He is not a serious candidate and he cannot win. That said, I have (greatly) enjoyed some of his quips......I even agree with many of them.....but I think he may be looked back as the modern-day Ross Perot.....a guy who actually prevented the Republicans from winning.
This is all a game to him. He will bail out soon enough and return to being a tycoon. He is not a serious candidate and he cannot win. That said, I have (greatly) enjoyed some of his quips......I even agree with many of them.....but I think he may be looked back as the modern-day Ross Perot.....a guy who actually prevented the Republicans from winning.
I don't think he wants to win, job doesn't pay enough and requires too many hours, but he does love expanding his brand. I wouldn't be shocked to see him find a way to bow out as you suggest but his monster ego may take over if he's within striking distance when the race ends.
Not smart enough? I'm no fan, but you must've missed the last eight or so elections and are ignoring the current field.
I like how he generally isn't afraid to speak what most wouldn't. However I would have serious concerns about him being the president.
I am also waiting on the day he says "sike"...joke is on you(the public)
I am also waiting on the day he says "sike"...joke is on you(the public)
Ugggh that would be the worst thing a Clinton vs Bush for the primary election. If that happens I have a feeling a write in candidate may get more votes than ever before.
Trumps popularity as well as Carson's are sign that people are tired of the career long politicians, as whether they are Republican or democrat most are influenced by the same large corporations and lobbyists that donate to their campaigns. And some of those companies hedge their bets by donating to both republicans and democrats for favors needed down the road.
Trump and Carson's popularity come from not being in anyone's pockets or corrupted by the Washington DC politics.
Trump says the most absurd things sometimes just for shock value and attention. In the end I think people will find him too arrogant. I think Ben Carson overtakes him and possibly another candidate.
I am with KC and too believe Trump is a plant trying to make the Republicans look bad. The whole thing seems an act. I dont think Trump and his camp were prepared for him to emerge on top of the polls and then have to mount a sustained campaign. Which is why he will continue to say outlandish things. He wants out by now I bet.
The greatest failings attributed to capitalism are political in nature (crony capitalism, inflation). For some reason the wealth generating process of capitalism, and not the wealth divvying and pilfering nature of politics, gets the blame for what perceived ills follow.
The failings of Keynesian and New Deal economics is that the sun and the moon won't listen to the economic planners new regulations on tides, and its the average folks who end up getting their feet wet.
Fascinating. Thanks for that. Would love to see a shift in that direction.
Clearly, people are growing more socialist in their thinking in this country. It's unlikely to be rolled back, ever. However, a model like this has the potential to pay benefits in a way that the Federal government centered progressive agenda never could.
Hasn't 49% of the population said that about the past 10 presidents or so? lol
