Last Chance U
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I never thought there would be a coach that makes Buddy from season 1 and 2 somewhat normal. This new coach is a POS.
Agree. He thinks because he played in the hood, he has credibility that demands respect, when in reality, he doesn’t seem to know crap about coaching. Henry is an idiot but he is correct when it comes to organization and game planning. Coach seems lost and thinks f-bombs means he is coaching.
It’s easy to see why most Juco kids struggle to get back to the schools they commit to out of high school. Crappy coaches, no discipline and nobody with the skills to help troubled kids.
Just think...we’ve been following two of the best CC football teams in the country. Just imagine how terrible it is at the average teams. Now how terrible is it at the BAD teams?
It seems the non-troubled kids at JUCO's are out of luck with playing time and having a decent chance to shine. I realize their stories don't sell well but they are at least deserving of their shots.
Oh, I disagree with that. I think this guy does care for the kids at least. I never thought Buddy did at all.
However, this guy IS a clown. And he's almost laughable as a coach. But at least he pretty much knows it and admits as much.
I think Buddy is a worse human being, but he's a much better coach.
And my biggest takeaway may be that Malik Henry and Jimbo Fisher were absolutely insane to think that they were right for each other. What were either of them thinking? It's not like Malik Henry's issues just surfaced at FSU. I literally can't figure out what Jimbo was thinking, that somehow Malik was going flourish under Jimbo and his style.
Barring some miracle where suddenly Malik “gets it” and turns his life and personality completely around, he’s never going to amount to anything.
Yeah, there were plenty of rumors about some of his "issues" but I think based on the show it's very clear that he has some real mental health issues above all. He's clearly a bright kid, and I think his football IQ came through pretty well, but those around him should be focused on his mental health at this point much more than football. He doesn't appear to be one of these kids from an environment and background in which it's football or bust, I don't see any reason he shouldn't be able to get his education and have a productive life, but he's got real issues to grapple with I think.
Just finished the first ep of season 3.
Coach def is lacking in organization, strategy, and composure. I can appreciate that his background and style could earn more buy-in with the players but it doesn't work unless he's got the coaching chops to back that up, which remains to be seen.
As for Malik, there are pros and cons. He certainly seems to understand how an offense and organization should work, it appears he's not lacking for football IQ but he also seems to have an issue with controlling his own emotions and knowing the impact they have on others. Can't imagine he's going to react well going from a hyper cerebral offense at FSU to an offense in utter disarray coached by buffoons.
Coach def is lacking in organization, strategy, and composure. I can appreciate that his background and style could earn more buy-in with the players but it doesn't work unless he's got the coaching chops to back that up, which remains to be seen.
As for Malik, there are pros and cons. He certainly seems to understand how an offense and organization should work, it appears he's not lacking for football IQ but he also seems to have an issue with controlling his own emotions and knowing the impact they have on others. Can't imagine he's going to react well going from a hyper cerebral offense at FSU to an offense in utter disarray coached by buffoons.
I am to understand that no one has signed him. Not even a division 2 school.
Not sure if this is for the 2019 signing class or this past class.
Looks to have offers from Miss, Neb, aTm, Memphis, and Oregon.
I'd pay money to see him go to aTm...but I'm sure someone already has.
I don't think there was any indication from the show that his grades were in order to graduate.
Yeah, just from what I gleaned from the show, he'd have to go there or another jc, although his father didn't seem that inclined to ICC. The way the show ended, he wasn't ready to graduate, and he hadn't put on any weight. And I can't imagine how he came off in the show that he improved his stock at all. He needs another year for a lot of reasons, but his clock is running.
Read something interesting...ICC had a LOT of guys sign major offers that weren't even featured. Wonder if that was an editorial decision, or they weren't willing to sign a release or what. Seems like an all-downside decision for a sure-fire FBS player to agree to a release, I'm surprised they got Gooden and Boyd to sign.
OT Tramonda Moore, No. 4 junior college player in 2018 247Sports Composite — Oklahoma
DT Dantrell Barkley, No. 41 JUCO in 247Sports Composite — Charlotte
CB Delrick Abrams Jr., No. 85 JUCO in 247Sports Composite — Colorado
LB Sidney Murray, No. 146 JUCO in 247Sports Composite
CB D.J. Williams, No. 169 JUCO in 247Sports Composite — Utah State
WR Calvin Jackson, No. 182 JUCO in 247Sports Composite — Washington State
DT Jajuan Blankenship, No. 235 JUCO in 247Sports Composite — Tulsa
LB Tim Faison, No. 242 JUCO in 247Sports Composite — North Texas
CB Zedrick Raymond, No. 252 JUCO in 247Sports Composite — Miami (Ohio)
S Dior Johnson, No. 282 JUCO in 247Sports Composite — Murray State
OT Keith Williams, No. 289 JUCO in 247Sports Composite — Colorado State
In addition to those players, Chad Davis (Washington State), Brandon Bea (Boise State), Alin Edouard (UTSA), Marqualin Scott (Eastern Michigan) and Ray Buford (New Mexico State) also signed with FBS schools.
https://247sports.com/Article/Last-Chance-U-Season-3-Where-are-they-now-119951090/
Calvin Jackson looked like the only player I would have wanted at FSU. He does look like he could be a quality FBS WR.
Does Brandon Bea show something in the last half of the season that he didn't show in the first half?
He was a deer in headlights out on the field. How the heck did Boise St offer him? I hope he starts whenever we play them!
Calvin Jackson def balls out - glad he made it to a legit program.
He was a deer in headlights out on the field. How the heck did Boise St offer him? I hope he starts whenever we play them!
Calvin Jackson def balls out - glad he made it to a legit program.
Malik Henry: Million dollar arm, five cent head.
The coach is unreal. I can't imagine a coach screaming the crap he does on the sidelines. What a clown.
The coach is unreal. I can't imagine a coach screaming the crap he does on the sidelines. What a clown.
I thought the same thing about Bea. I don't know if he was better than the edit, or what.
Made it a bit further into the season last night. Bea seems to get worse and worse.
Just looked up his stats...
28 of 46 (60%) for 353 yards, 1 TD, 2 INT
In conference play he had a 40% completion rate.
Props to the kid for getting a D-1 scholly, somehow.
B Wagner was such a huge part of the first two seasons. Unlike season 1 and 2, I was having a hard time relating with, or having compassion for the kids on this team. Wagner played a big part in making that happen. I was buying in to her passion for seeing thise kids succeed.
There is a “Part 4” that is an hour long that played immediately at the end of season 3. It was a follow up/where are they now to all the players in season 1 and 2. It’s worth watching if you liked the first two seasons.
There is a “Part 4” that is an hour long that played immediately at the end of season 3. It was a follow up/where are they now to all the players in season 1 and 2. It’s worth watching if you liked the first two seasons.
I'm half way thru season 3 and would say that Ms Pinkard has been a fantastic part of the show. She seems to care about these kids and asks them to open up their minds to things beyond the crap they've been spoonfed for most of their lives.
I think she is great too, and a teacher rather than a football employee is a good perspective. However, you kind of lose that tension/contrast between Miss Brittany and the coach. Not quite the same. Plus, the the fact that to both the viewer, and obviously to Ms. Pinkard, she is the "Brittany character", it's not quite the same.
There are a lot of reasons why this season isn't as good, some that may have been editorial decisions, and some is just the luck of the draw...you only get what you can get. I think the fundamental flaw of the season is that Coach Brown is ultimately not a strong enough character to carry everything. He's an interesting guy, but not compelling enough to be SO dominant. He's got an interesting story, but he's mostly a clown.
Maybe they miscalculated focusing almost exclusively on him, or maybe there just wasn't compelling enough storylines running. The player stories this year were just not that engrossing. Two of the main personalities were Gooden and Boyd, and they were pretty much just guys whose bounceback year went like it was supposed to for the most part. The Bobby Bruce line was very good and he was arguably the most compelling character, but he didn't have as big a personality. The first two seasons had a lot of big personalities among the players.
All that said, I still love the show just as much.
I really like the Carlos storyline so far. He quickly seemed to get his mind right, become a team leader. Sad that NCAA rules, which he didn't know about at the beginning of his career, will preclude him from playing D1 ball.
Buckmaster was also an interesting storyline, good kid, a bit bitten by the injury bug.
I'd really like a season where the coach is a decent, well adjusted adult and a winner. Thus far we've had three seasons of HCs who are raving lunatics / borderline unfit to be around students. Would be great if they avoid type casting this show like the Real World and mix it up a little bit.
I do love this show for the look it gives us into the difficult lives and backgrounds of so many of these players. They've all generally been really good, well-intentioned kids deserving of chances and empathy.
This season has also briefly touched on player treatment, which I hope becomes a bigger theme.
Buckmaster was also an interesting storyline, good kid, a bit bitten by the injury bug.
I'd really like a season where the coach is a decent, well adjusted adult and a winner. Thus far we've had three seasons of HCs who are raving lunatics / borderline unfit to be around students. Would be great if they avoid type casting this show like the Real World and mix it up a little bit.
I do love this show for the look it gives us into the difficult lives and backgrounds of so many of these players. They've all generally been really good, well-intentioned kids deserving of chances and empathy.
This season has also briefly touched on player treatment, which I hope becomes a bigger theme.
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I'm sure part of it is the "casting" (i.e. the producers picking the school they want to follow), but maybe it's possible that that's all the JUCO ranks can pull in as head coaches? There's a reason those coaches aren't coaching at a higher level. And there's also something to be said for "reaching" those types of kids. But with all of that said...I agree with you, would be nice to find somehow show how coaching *should* be done at that level.
Side note: anyone else catch the one kid in the first episode talking about his $2,000/month stipend from Texas Tech, and how he had an extra $800 each month to waste?
Apparently either Fisher didn't care or recognizing one's character was not one of his strong points in his evaluations.
Seems like Henry and Jimbo would vibe pretty well on Xs and Os. Henry certainly seemed to have the cerebral part of the position down.
However, they would have demolished each other with their childish needs to have the last word and make snide passive-aggressive comments.
For all his flaws, Jimbo did seem to care for QBs who got his 'system', so it's possible Jimbo would have overlooked or placated Malik's immaturity as long as he could take care of biz on the field.
And again it's worth mentioning Malik's problems might be more of a clinical psych issue than just being a 'prima donna' or whatever fans want to label him with.
Either way, FSU is better off without either of them, they're both likely better off away for FSU.
Hope Malik finds personal happiness and Jimbo loses all his games.
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Malik was highly recruited by all the big schools so there once was hope that past indiscretions would remain in the past. Million dollar arm and a five cent head sounds about right!
It's having a massive ego, thinking that if someone will just follow your orders then everything will be great.
Henry comes off as a brat, probably coddled athletically because he was so much better than everybody else.
When I was D2 Grad Assistant it seemed like juco kids were hit or miss academically and skill wise. Most of the juco guys we had either came from California or New York. We had some from California who were very bright, but couldn't play a lick. Some of the kids who could play you wondered how they graduated HS. Part of this was poor talent evaluation but the recruiting coordinator, and part of it is the kids with grades and skills go D1.
Coach is a disgrace to the profession. you can tell he does care about his players but I don't buy the "you gotta talk their language" aspect of it. Also cant imagine working for a guy who dresses down his staff like that.
When I was D2 Grad Assistant it seemed like juco kids were hit or miss academically and skill wise. Most of the juco guys we had either came from California or New York. We had some from California who were very bright, but couldn't play a lick. Some of the kids who could play you wondered how they graduated HS. Part of this was poor talent evaluation but the recruiting coordinator, and part of it is the kids with grades and skills go D1.
Coach is a disgrace to the profession. you can tell he does care about his players but I don't buy the "you gotta talk their language" aspect of it. Also cant imagine working for a guy who dresses down his staff like that.
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Their "coach" is a clown. I can't imagine any D-1 team giving this guy a coaching spot. There is definitely something wrong mentally with Henry.
The coach’s personality seems like a better fit for a position coach. I could see him being excellent with something like a linebacker or maybe running back position coach. But he seems ill-suited as a coordinator let alone a head coach. As someone else here said, I couldn’t imagine working under him as an adult. I’d put up with it only so long as it took me to find a better job elsewhere.
If Malik goes back to ICC will it be the first time he is spends two years consecutively at one school since junior high?
Malik is out of control but he was 100% correct about the lack of a game plan and structure. No way a team with all that talent should give up 70 in the first game.
Malik is out of control but he was 100% correct about the lack of a game plan and structure. No way a team with all that talent should give up 70 in the first game.
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I wonder how many coaches there are at JUCO like that. The little bit we got to see of the Garden City coach, he seemed like a real prick also.
It would be good to see a change of pace. I wonder if they fear that if they get a decent guy as a head coach, they won't get enough drama. But too much of the same thing gets redundant.
What might work would be if they tracked two schools, leading up to a final game. Like let's say the Coffeyville coach was what you describe...alternating between the two, going into the last game, that could be compelling. To see what the different approaches get from the kids, as well as results on the field.
I, like you, find the stories behind the kids compelling as hell, and those that do "make it" at all are pretty inspiring to me. Let's face it all lot of the kids at FSU or any big time program come from the exact same backgrounds, so there's insight there. I also really like that on such a ridiculously reduced level, it's still college football, with much of the same enthusiasm, drama, etc that we love at the big time. They really do a tremendous job of editing the football portions...as good as I've ever seen in any documentary format.
I think coming when it does, just when I'm really most jonesing for football again, also helps. Not sure I'd eat it up with a spoon the way I do if it dropped in February or November.
I thought the coach was horrible
I think that so many people in generational poverty and only having a football out is heartbreaking. To me, there is something about the current money state of college football losing its appeal.
I thought Netflix airing the coach talk about white people don't care about black people is wrong on many levels.
Malik doesn't have the desire. Much of what I places on him probably should be placed on his father.
I think that so many people in generational poverty and only having a football out is heartbreaking. To me, there is something about the current money state of college football losing its appeal.
I thought Netflix airing the coach talk about white people don't care about black people is wrong on many levels.
Malik doesn't have the desire. Much of what I places on him probably should be placed on his father.
Malik and Candi were the two biggest quarterback recruiting disasters in the career of Jimbo Fisher.
Candi competed a ton of passes and scored often.
