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How would you have handled, or recommend to this guy how to handle?

Now 42, pastor Andy Savage of Highpoint Church was 22 at the time and a youth minister at Woodlands Parkway Baptist Church outside Houston, Texas, when the incident with Jules Woodson occurred.

"As a college student on staff at a church in Texas more than 20 years ago, I regretfully had a sexual incident with a female high school senior in the church," he said during Sunday's service. "I apologized and sought forgiveness from her, her parents, her discipleship group, the church staff, and the church leadership, who informed the congregation. ... I took every step to respond in a biblical way."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cn...ual-incident-teen-apology-applause/index.html

Go to 16 minute mark to watch confession/apology

 
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The girl called him out, he had to respond.

I can respect him owning it, but there is something a little off putting to me in the way he did it...feels like he is grandstanding a little.

Also think the girl should have left it alone. They talked about it after happened. He lost his job, apologized to her and her family, asked for forgiveness from his family and friends, and appears to have done just everything one could do outside of turning himself into the cops.

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He didn’t lose his job in Texas, he got another job.

Girls pastor (his boss) totally shamed her.

It’s a local story here, the blindness defense of him by the church members is sickening.
 
I don’t think he could have handled it any different. Maybe he could have sent an email to the congregation and not in front of everyone Sunday morning, but that is semantics.

Tough situation.
 
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DanC78 said:
The girl called him out, he had to respond.

I can respect him owning it, but there is something a little off putting to me in the way he did it...feels like he is grandstanding a little.

Also think the girl should have left it alone. They talked about it after happened. He lost his job, apologized to her and her family, asked for forgiveness from his family and friends, and appears to have done just everything one could do outside of turning himself into the cops.

Idk
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Something very offputting, & absolutely grandstanding. However, if handled in more secrecy, it would feel like hiding or covering.

He screwed up, she hates him for it, & she won’t forgive. The guy sounds like he’s done all he can do, but it also feels like he’s used it to his advantage. The congregation loves him for his humility & owning it; that feels self serving.

I don’t know ...
 
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DanC78 said:
I don’t think he could have handled it any different. Maybe he could have sent an email to the congregation and not in front of everyone Sunday morning, but that is semantics.

Tough situation.
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What is tough about this? The congregation are a bunch of hypocrites and the guy is, at best guilty of assault. The fact that they applauded makes he want to vomit. He shouldn’t have a job and he shouldn’t be able to get one. He sure as hell isnt a Christian (as that religion defines the term) and as far as I a, concerned no one in the congregation is either. Bunch of hypocrites all.
 
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What is tough about this? The congregation are a bunch of hypocrites and the guy is, at best guilty of assault. The fact that they applauded makes he want to vomit. He shouldn’t have a job and he shouldn’t be able to get one. He sure as hell isnt a Christian (as that religion defines the term) and as far as I a, concerned no one in the congregation is either. Bunch of hypocrites all.
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No no no...the incident was 20 years prior and he did leave his job. He apologized to her and her family, and his family. He did everything short of turning himself in to the police. She could have absolutely gone to the police as well, he admitted guilt. She chose not to though.

20 years later she brought it back up. He had to face it, couldn’t ignore.

How else could he handle it (and don’t say that he shouldn’t be a Christian because of this).

And I’m with you on the congregation clapping, that was awkward. I’m sure the many who clapped for him got home and then thought to themselves, “that was awkward, could have done without that to start my week”. So I’m not passing judgment on them, I empathize for them if anything for having to be brought into this.
 
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No no no...the incident was 20 years prior and he did leave his job. He apologized to her and her family, and his family. He did everything short of turning himself in to the police. She could have absolutely gone to the police as well, he admitted guilt. She chose not to though.

20 years later she brought it back up. He had to face it, couldn’t ignore.

How else could he handle it (and don’t say that he shouldn’t be a Christian because of this).

And I’m with you on the congregation clapping, that was awkward. I’m sure the many who clapped for him got home and then thought to themselves, “that was awkward, could have done without that to start my week”. So I’m not passing judgment on them, I empathize for them if anything for having to be brought into this.
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I know. And he went right back to teaching others how to be a “Christian” at another place What else could he have done? Go get a real job and stop standing in front of congregations. That’s the real problem here. He could have called out the church where this happened for what they didn’t do. How many times do we hear this story about church management? He could have told his congregation to sit down and shut up that there was nothing praise worthy about what he did. Instead he’s used the revelation as a stepping stones to show others what a good “Christian” is is. Disgusting.

Oh, I don’t care if he wants to say he is a member of any religion. But he has no business leading any part of it.

Regarding the congregation, this is the problem. You want to forgive? Fine. But you can’t ignore. You can’t forget. There are consequences. They should have fired him on the spot. Not applauded him. But this is how this works going back to Jimmy Swaggart and before.
 
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I know. And he went right back to teaching others how to be a “Christian” at another place What else could he have done? Go get a real job and stop standing in front of congregations. That’s the real problem here. He could have called out the church where this happened for what they didn’t do. How many times do we hear this story about church management? He could have told his congregation to sit down and shut up that there was nothing praise worthy about what he did. Instead he’s used the revelation as a stepping stones to show others what a good “Christian” is is. Disgusting.

Oh, I don’t care if he wants to say he is a member of any religion. But he has no business leading any part of it.

Regarding the congregation, this is the problem. You want to forgive? Fine. But you can’t ignore. You can’t forget. There are consequences. They should have fired him on the spot. Not applauded him. But this is how this works going back to Jimmy Swaggart and before.
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I don’t have any issues with that thought process.
 
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OK, I’ll do it

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I would have given him a standing ovation if he had broke out singing "Into the Night" by Benny Mardones

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Haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere, and googles is littered with this guys name- but I want to say Highpoint has had to “dismiss” other leaders there under similar circumstances
 
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No no no...the incident was 20 years prior and he did leave his job. He apologized to her and her family, and his family. He did everything short of turning himself in to the police. She could have absolutely gone to the police as well, he admitted guilt. She chose not to though.
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According to her version, he did apologize to her parents at the insistence of the church. But he didn't tell them what he did, leading them to think all they did was kiss. The church told her to keep it to herself and they'd handle it. That's how they handled it. He never had to admit what he really did. He didn't admit what he really did to his current church either, just that he sinned. And he got a 20 second ovation for it.
 
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According to her version, he did apologize to her parents at the insistence of the church. But he didn't tell them what he did, leading them to think all they did was kiss. The church told her to keep it to herself and they'd handle it. That's how they handled it. He never had to admit what he really did. He didn't admit what he really did to his current church either, just that he sinned. And he got a 20 second ovation for it.
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Where did you get this info?
 
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