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Murder of FSU Prof Dan Markel

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did the investigation ever turn anything up?

were the ex-wife and her family cleared? Seems like they would have motive and it would be easy to establish alibis, but i don't recall ever seeing any details.
 
Seems like a few months ago they released what was believed to be the killers car. Other than that nothing.
 
did the investigation ever turn anything up?

were the ex-wife and her family cleared? Seems like they would have motive and it would be easy to establish alibis, but i don't recall ever seeing any details.

Yep TPD at their finest. I don't understand why the Gators think TPD covers for FSU, it's a far simpler fact....they're grossly incompetent.
 
Aren't most solved murders by someone that knew the victim (meaning relative or acquaintance), and more in 'the heat of the moment'?

I would think if you planned the murder of someone you didn't know, in another town, and kept you mouth shut, the odds of being caught would be almost nil.
 
Aren't most solved murders by someone that knew the victim (meaning relative or acquaintance), and more in 'the heat of the moment'?

I would think if you planned the murder of someone you didn't know, in another town, and kept you mouth shut, the odds of being caught would be almost nil.


did you mean solved or committed by?

from the coverage, i have yet to see any motive suggested other than his divorce/children.
 
did you mean solved or committed by?
from the coverage, i have yet to see any motive suggested other than his divorce/children.

"Aren't most solved murders <committed> by someone that knew the victim (meaning relative or acquaintance), and more in 'the heat of the moment'?"

That's what I was thinking, but not what made it out of my fingers.

Only theory I've seen proffered is the divorce issue, but if for example the ex-FIL finds a way to discreetly pay someone that can keep their mouth shut, that doesn't even live in Tally, and has no connection to the victim to commit the crime, I have a hard time seeing how that gets solved. In that scenario anyone the police can think to talk to has an alibi.

When you hear about murder for hire plots it is usually because the person approached to commit the crime goes to the police themselves. Absent that, how do you solve it?
 
A couple ways that kind of situation is solved. One, just backbreaking policework tracking down leads on slight evidence...witness has a vague description of a car, something caught on security footage, fibers left behind, footprints...if you've got SOME kind of evidence, sometimes they can eventually run something down. That doesn't happen too often unless it's a really high profile case like a serial killer or child murderer though. The amount of resources requires some agency or agencies to basically write a blank check, so for most murders that's probably not going to happen.

But the more likely scenario is that someone doesn't keep their mouth shut. Usually SOMEONE else besides the killer knows about it...some kind of an accomplice, girlfriend, associate, drinking buddy, etc. Someone he borrowed a car from, or acquired the weapon. Very few people never talk to ANYBODY about their activities. Hell, if they were that damn secretive about what they do, the person hiring them would probably never have found them.

Then someone who knows about the murder, they get rolled up on a drug charge, or robbery, or rape charge or something. And they bargain the charge down with a tip on an unsolved killing. I think that's the most common ways that a relatively cold crime gets solved.

In theory, if you were able to hire someone to commit the murder who was 100% clean, didn't have any sketchy associates that could compromise themselves, don't have any history that would make them suspicious, and didn't need to rely on any help whatsoever, that would be pretty likely to be unsolved. However, what are the chances of that person ALSO being a seasoned enough criminal to pull off a murder perfectly leaving no evidence behind? That ends up being the stuff of movies.

In real life, if you hire an amateur, they f--- it up and are usually caught pretty easily. You hire a pro, and there's a better chance that it's done right. But if you know where to find a pro, chances are the police know who the pros are too. And it's a lot more likely there will be others that know about the deed, so there's always the chance it gets ratted out eventually.
 
Yep TPD at their finest. I don't understand why the Gators think TPD covers for FSU, it's a far simpler fact....they're grossly incompetent.

Anything you want to share on why you believe this? Little to no physical evidence, no witnesses, no known issues other than divorce, etc. Some times officers just need that one piece of evidence or a witness. They may have a suspect, just not enough to charge. But I don't think incompetent is the correct word.
 
Anything you want to share on why you believe this? Little to no physical evidence, no witnesses, no known issues other than divorce, etc. Some times officers just need that one piece of evidence or a witness. They may have a suspect, just not enough to charge. But I don't think incompetent is the correct word.

I would think the ex and her father are suspects, and the police could explain what their alibis were. the public could test that information. if she says she was at X, maybe someone saw here somewhere else.

not saying the ex did it, but only that she seems to be the only one with motive.

the other way crimes are solved is you start with motive. you investigate the victim.

just surprised more has not been made public by now, and that no once recognized the car.
 
I would think the ex and her father are suspects, and the police could explain what their alibis were. the public could test that information. if she says she was at X, maybe someone saw here somewhere else.

not saying the ex did it, but only that she seems to be the only one with motive.

the other way crimes are solved is you start with motive. you investigate the victim.

just surprised more has not been made public by now, and that no once recognized the car.


I agree about the motive aspect. Many times there is a reason that law enforcement doesn't release information publicly. And I'm sure they have checked all of her alibis, cell phone records, emails, etc. What else do you think needs to be public? From what I recall there was no suspect description, a possible vehicle involved (may not even be the suspect vehicle), and thats about it.
 
Anything you want to share on why you believe this? Little to no physical evidence, no witnesses, no known issues other than divorce, etc. Some times officers just need that one piece of evidence or a witness. They may have a suspect, just not enough to charge. But I don't think incompetent is the correct word.

The comment is more directed at the long laundry list of screwups like getting their informants killed. But no I don't have any inside info at least that I would share publicly. Just second hand info that says it's pretty clear what's going on.

I will say two things. 1) If anyone knows how to get away with murder it would be a criminal law attorney. 2) But if there's a group that has simultaneously the best criminal lawyers AND access to professional hitmen it would be the Jewish Mafia gangs in NYC. So....in my mind there's really only two groups of suspects, the ex-wife and her father and the Jewish mob.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/le...e-extortion-cases-murdered-in-florida-6667826
 
I agree about the motive aspect. Many times there is a reason that law enforcement doesn't release information publicly. And I'm sure they have checked all of her alibis, cell phone records, emails, etc. What else do you think needs to be public? From what I recall there was no suspect description, a possible vehicle involved (may not even be the suspect vehicle), and thats about it.

And allegedly threats from the Jewish Mafia for testifying in their case.
 
The ex wife lived in my neighborhood. About a week after the murder, she literally packed the house over night and moved out of town.
 
The ex wife lived in my neighborhood. About a week after the murder, she literally packed the house over night and moved out of town.

That fits both of my two main suspects. Either she's guilty or afraid of the Jewish mafia.
 
The police aren't going to give updates until they drop a hammer down. Every watch those police detective shows (the real ones). The killers always think they got away because time passes, then all at one the hammer falls. They have one shot, they have to make sure their ducks are in a row.

Jewish Mafia?? Please, that's sounds like someone is trying to create reasonable doubt before charges are brought.
 
Is O.J.'s "hotline" still working? You know, he and the Dream Team were doing everything possible to find the "real killer." And remember that O.J.'s defense at trial was some blather about Nicole being involved with drug dealers, but the cops fixated their racially-motivated investigation solely on O.J. (while planting evidence, blah-blah-blah).

One of the most horribly prosecuted cases in American history.....
 
The police aren't going to give updates until they drop a hammer down. Every watch those police detective shows (the real ones). The killers always think they got away because time passes, then all at one the hammer falls. They have one shot, they have to make sure their ducks are in a row.

Jewish Mafia?? Please, that's sounds like someone is trying to create reasonable doubt before charges are brought.

Uh....the Jewish mafia controls 100% of the ecstasy market, were heavily involved in the oxy and now heroin market, are the main partners with the Columbian mob for coke distribution in Europe, and are the MAIN black market weapon and prostitution slave dealers in the world. The biggest mobster taken down in the world maybe of all times was Semion Mogilevich a Ukrainian-born Isreali citizen. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semion_Mogilevich

You don't hear it called the Jewish mafia in public because there's a squeamishness with referring to an organized criminal outfit with a religion so they'll call it the "Russian mob". But most of the "Russian mob" are at least ethnically Jewish if not practicing religious Jews with Isreali citizenship and most aren't even Russian but more are Ukrainian.

In this case Markel was going to testify as an expert against Rabbi Martin Wolmark and 9 "other" members of the Jewish mafia that worked mainly in house, they would kidnap and torture Orthodox Jewish husbands who refuse to divorce their wives (which is apparently a lucrative racket as these hitmen would be hired by Jewish wives for quite a lot of money). These same hitmen likely worked on even more unsavory projects as well as the Jewish/"Russian" Mafia has long been tied to the human sex slave market in addition to their drugs, black market gun running and racketeering/"random criminal activities like the type Markel took part in".

Is every mob group from Russia Jewish in origin? No, there's some Catholic groups from both Russia and the Ukraine as all of them originated in the gulags when being religiously persecuted in the 40-60s. But the ones active worldwide and especially in America are all Russian and Ukrainian ethnic Jews (at least at the top, they are huge operations after all). The largest mob organization in the world (law enforcement believes) is the Solntsevskaya Bratva which has at least 5,000 worldwide members and consists almost entirely of former Soviet Bloc Jews. Those are the ones with insiders in the almost 100% captured Jewish Diamond trade, ties to the Columbians and black market arms deals around the world. The largest "Russian mafia" in the US is the "Odessa gang" operating out of Brighton Beach which works as the ecstasy and coke Distributer for Solntsevskaya (probably against their will as they were originally separate groups but like the Italian/Sicilian gangs in the 40s "consolidated" against their will) is mostly Russian Jews with some Isreali and Sephardic Jews mixed in.

So yeah, don't mess with the Jewish Mafia, they'll kill you just as quick as the Columbians who are their lesser partners.
 
Uh....the Jewish mafia controls 100% of the ecstasy market, were heavily involved in the oxy and now heroin market, are the main partners with the Columbian mob for coke distribution in Europe, and are the MAIN black market weapon and prostitution slave dealers in the world.

I've always thought of Jews as conservative, but it sounds like it would be fun to party with those dudes.
 
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This is very interesting. Any idea where she went?
Oh yes, she went to DC. She hated it here in Tallahassee. The only thing keeping her here the joint custody of the kids with her ex-husband. Her feelings of Tallahassee are pretty much stated in her book.
 
Don't you just love reading news articles when they have basically nothing new to report?
 
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