Some Drs need to face some type of sanctions or punishments for this issue also. In welding an injury that happens more than it should is called flash burn which is basically a sunburn on your eye. It comes from either watching the welding arc without proper lens or working in clos quarters with welders an can't escaped being catching arc flashes during the day. Like a typical sunburn you really don't realize it is happening or has happened until later in the evening. Unlike a sunburn in 99.99% of the cases the symptoms and irritating pain is gone by the next morning. Had a student last year who suffered flash burn during the day and went to the ER that evening. He was back at school and welding the next morning. The ER dr had prescribed him 30 oxys. He was kicked out of school the next week for trying to sell the pills. No way he should have been given those in the first place and even if a couple had been given to him he never should have been prescribed 30. My daughter is an ARNP and tells stories of patients who Dr shop until then finally get the opioids they are looking for. She says there are plenty of Drs who will write a 30 day script for even the most obvious fake pains.
Opioid crisis...
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My first post and it's not about football. I had a doctor prescribe me 60 Percocette for a back injury and I only took a couple. My friend stole them and a couple years later he died in a motorcycle accident.I hate all pain killers because they make me sick. I cut some of my thumb off on a table saw and had to take a few painkillers but didn't finish the 40 prescribed, I only took 11. My sister died from alcoholism at 52 y/o, she started drinking at age 13. My aunt, the last person I would think could become addicted.....she died a few years ago from doctor prescribed painkillers. Her bowels became impacted and she took too much laxative and was hospitalized. She died of pneumonia a couple weeks later. She was in her 70's. Her son took her to several places but she didn't want to quit from what I was told. My 26 y/o son is currently shooting up heroin. I found this out about 3 weeks ago, Back in July I carried him to rehab and he stayed for 2 hours and walked out. The director of the rehab told me he was snorting Oxy and smoking heroin. My daughter and I filed a Marchman Act and the judge signed it in 45 minutes. It took 2-3 days for him to be picked up. He was transported to a hospital and was drug tested and asked if he was suicidal, he said no and was released. When I found out he was shooting heroin in his veins, I filed an Affidavit of Complaint with the Sheriff's Department. I am still waiting on him to be picked up on 6 charges of theft. I wrestled for 2 years to have him charged for theft. It is my only way I have left to get him detoxed. He won't do it on it his on. He just got put on 6 months probation for drug paraphernalia 2 days ago. He is a first time offender. He violated that when he drove off from the court house as he has no auto insurance. He looks terrible and has the sores all over his body. I just had a crash course in heroin addiction and the future doesn't look promising for him or his loved ones that are suffering. I hope and pray for God's will to be done and for this madness to end and for all of you who are suffering to be blessed in your good deeds.
If you can get him to Panama City, my addiction facility there will take him. We just opened that location three weeks ago so we’re not advertising and are just working with local patients, but my medical director won the Florida Alcohol and Drug Abuse Association’s professional of the year for 2018 for his work at the Jax facility and he was the former director of the Professional Resource Network which provided all of the addiction and psychiatric treatment for addicted doctors and other health licensees for the Florida Board of Medicine. My program director/lead mental health counsellor is a woman who worked for him in Jax for over a decade. We use a variation of the evidence based and well proven Hazelden Betty Ford Living in Balance program and add a whole body wellness aspect which includes a dietician-nutricionist approved diet plan, acupuncture, yoga, meditation as well as implementing equine/horse therapy, dolphin therapy, and therapeutic interactions with wolves and abandoned/rescued animals.
We’re doing every level of care from initial medically assisted detox to residential to partial hospitalisation/day-night to intensive outpatient to outpatient aftercare via Zoom. We take every commercial insurance and if, as I suspect, he has no insurance we’ll take him anyways at the moment so that we can train the nursing staff. So far we’ve seen some amazing results in how quickly they’re turning around.
As I mentioned we’re not really advertising at the moment and our website is only in its first draft, but you can get the contact details at
https://www.floridaspringsrecovery.com/
Don’t click on the “contact us now” or “book now” that part is not active yet, but the phone number is accurate, just leave a voicemail.
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The only good news for that is that to get past the DT's for Heroin is pretty quick...........when I was in rehab in the Detox section I was on Bute for 12 days, because I was getting off Methadone (it's one of the hardest because of it's very long half-life). Probably ~20 Heroin addicts came through and went because they only had to be on the Bute for 6 days (for the ones on the higher doses), with some as few as 3 days.........the doctor said you get over the DT's with Heroin really quick even though it's one of the more potent drugs.
Rehab was a trip.........it was like summer camp for junkies. I was one of the older patients, with the average age being ~24 years old, and it was ~70% female with some absolute hotties. The CRAZY stories I heard......I'm glad I don't have a daughter.
Exhibit A & B:
They tried to make me go to rehab,The only good news for that is that to get past the DT's for Heroin is pretty quick...........when I was in rehab in the Detox section I was on Bute for 12 days, because I was getting off Methadone (it's one of the hardest because of it's very long half-life). Probably ~20 Heroin addicts came through and went because they only had to be on the Bute for 6 days (for the ones on the higher doses), with some as few as 3 days.........the doctor said you get over the DT's with Heroin really quick even though it's one of the more potent drugs.
Rehab was a trip.........it was like summer camp for junkies. I was one of the older patients, with the average age being ~24 years old, and it was ~70% female with some absolute hotties. The CRAZY stories I heard......I'm glad I don't have a daughter.
Exhibit A & B:
I said Yes, Yes,Yes!
That is very good of you. Hope it can work out.
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I will see him in a few minutes I hope. That program sounds great. He has probation orientation September 3rd. I don’t know how that will work out. He has no current health insurance. He was in the union, but let his dues lapse. You are a godsend. I live in fear every day hoping he doesn’t die from that poison.
It’s definitely an issue. I know a couple of people that just OD on heroin. Wasn’t good friends or anything of the sort, but would see them from time to time.
I’ve had 7 or so surgeries; hernia, knee x 3, BA and others. I’ve never ever taken pain medication during recovery. My Dr’s would look at me sideways when I’d deny them. The acute pain is tolerable for 24-36 hours. After that it decreases significantly imo.
I’ve had 7 or so surgeries; hernia, knee x 3, BA and others. I’ve never ever taken pain medication during recovery. My Dr’s would look at me sideways when I’d deny them. The acute pain is tolerable for 24-36 hours. After that it decreases significantly imo.
I just found out that a former co-worker who did one stint in rehab is now on "extended medical leave" for "undisclosed issues" and I am not surprised. Opioid addiction is very tough to kick, I hear.
My nephew is an EMT and has seen more overdoses and deaths over the last 2-3 years than almost any other situation.
My nephew is an EMT and has seen more overdoses and deaths over the last 2-3 years than almost any other situation.
My childhood friend OD’d and will likely die from substance abuse.
It’s terrible stuff and why I don’t smoke weed because it’s illegal here and you’d have to talk to a dealer, which I don’t know any, but my friends path went basically weed, but the dealers have access to other drugs that he started dabbling in, and dabbling in and fast forward 15 years and he’s got tat’s everywhere, no job, and walks with a cane and is drunk/high constantly.
Really sad because he was talented, and our family has helped him considerably,
It’s especially bad because I try to be supportive, but when you have an encouraging hour long conversation it’s a disappointment when he calls you the next day and you have the exact same conversation because he doesn’t remember talking to you the day before.
He’s good natured at heart even as an addict and hasn’t stolen anything from me that I’m aware of, but that stuff really changed my opinion on addiction. It’s like a virus that changes your brain. Really scary stuff.
It’s terrible stuff and why I don’t smoke weed because it’s illegal here and you’d have to talk to a dealer, which I don’t know any, but my friends path went basically weed, but the dealers have access to other drugs that he started dabbling in, and dabbling in and fast forward 15 years and he’s got tat’s everywhere, no job, and walks with a cane and is drunk/high constantly.
Really sad because he was talented, and our family has helped him considerably,
It’s especially bad because I try to be supportive, but when you have an encouraging hour long conversation it’s a disappointment when he calls you the next day and you have the exact same conversation because he doesn’t remember talking to you the day before.
He’s good natured at heart even as an addict and hasn’t stolen anything from me that I’m aware of, but that stuff really changed my opinion on addiction. It’s like a virus that changes your brain. Really scary stuff.
My brother in Law's best friend that grew up with him, robbed my in-laws of 30K in jewelry. Kid was from a rich family, just got hooked on pills. Either way, they pressed charged and he got probation. However this was just the first time he got caught, he ended up spiraling out of control and ended up going to jail for short terms several times. He ended up catching quite a serious prison sentence and decided to off himself instead. Call it suicide but it was the drugs that got him there.
The start up I"m with now is a device for Chronic Low Back Pain. In our first RTC when we published the 2 year data we found that 74% of the folks that got our treatment reduced their opioid use and 48% of them completely ceased using them. We are in the middle of a second Randomized Control Trial now, and they are about to stop it for superiority. (That is when they stop a trial early due to the statistical impossibility of the procedure being beaten by the control).
Somewhere around 60% of opioid prescriptions originate from CLBP.
I'm hoping that this helps us fast track the procedure to commercial and medicare coverage.
Video: http://www.relievant.com/intracept-procedure/
Procedure overview: http://www.relievant.com/intracept-procedure/procedure/
Clinical evidence: http://www.relievant.com/intracept-procedure/clinical-evidence/
The start up I"m with now is a device for Chronic Low Back Pain. In our first RTC when we published the 2 year data we found that 74% of the folks that got our treatment reduced their opioid use and 48% of them completely ceased using them. We are in the middle of a second Randomized Control Trial now, and they are about to stop it for superiority. (That is when they stop a trial early due to the statistical impossibility of the procedure being beaten by the control).
Somewhere around 60% of opioid prescriptions originate from CLBP.
I'm hoping that this helps us fast track the procedure to commercial and medicare coverage.
Video: http://www.relievant.com/intracept-procedure/
Procedure overview: http://www.relievant.com/intracept-procedure/procedure/
Clinical evidence: http://www.relievant.com/intracept-procedure/clinical-evidence/
The CLBP is what got my acquaintance caught up. He was injured in a car wreck and surgical options were no help. So he goes to rehab to get off the oxy and they put him on a strong anti-depressant.
He's now in medical care because the anti-depressant began having adverse physical side effects. What a vicious cycle.
He's now in medical care because the anti-depressant began having adverse physical side effects. What a vicious cycle.
As long as big pharma is in the pockets of our legislators, the "War on Opiods" is a losing battle.
https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...-drug-company-contributions-absurd/806131001/
https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...-drug-company-contributions-absurd/806131001/
Does your product help with the pain and discomfort from herniated and degenerated disks?
It is the first device to address vertebrogenic pain. The disk is avascular and not well innervated. While the vertebrae itself has a very large nerve called the basivertebral nerve that arbolizes toward the endplate that degenerate with the degenerative disk disease process. The pain signals in axial lower back pain are likely coming from this nerve in the presence of edema at the end plates (described as Modic changes)
Herniated disks can involve pressure on other nerves and cause radicular pain (pain transmitted to other parts of the body, think leg pain like sciatica). My device won't help with that.
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I hope Google translator can help me with that.
When you start selling it, send me an email. I still know quite a few docs who would be interested.
Sorry. I typed that on my phone while eating lunch. Probably should have done a review prior to posting. Long day.
I think I need a pain pill.
It is the first device to address pain that come from damage to the bones in the back themselves. The disk between the bones doesn't have much blood flow and doesn't really have a lot of nerves in it. While the bone itself has a very large nerve that wasn't discovered until recently this nerve follows the blood supply of the bone and is distributed all over the ends where wear and tear happens.. The pain signals in lower back pain that is centralized and local to the lower back are likely coming from this nerve when diagnostic tests show this damage on the ends of the bones.
Herniated disks can involve pressure on other nerves and cause some local pain, but more of the pain that shoots down your legs, butt and into your feet.
For years they have been treating the disks as the source of the pain, but opinions are slowly changing as to where the pain originated from.
There, took all the $0.50 words out.
Herniated disks can involve pressure on other nerves and cause some local pain, but more of the pain that shoots down your legs, butt and into your feet.
For years they have been treating the disks as the source of the pain, but opinions are slowly changing as to where the pain originated from.
There, took all the $0.50 words out.
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I think you should cut your friend some slack. It sounds like he's might be a pimp.....and a successful one at that.
My program manager has reached out to your son several times but he has apparently ignored her calls. Unfortunately there’s nothing we can do if he doesn’t want to help himself. The facility’s main line for normal business hours is 850-640-1642, call it and they might be able to help YOU when dealing with someone who is refusing help. You can’t force him into treatment because even if you can get him in, if he doesn’t want to be there he will be gone before the sun sets. But perhaps they can help you convince him of his reality and how much he really needs help. You can also reach out to me as well, but I’m an administrator, lawyer and risk manager not a behavioral health specialist. However, don’t hesitate to call me if you’re frustrated as I’m more than willing to help.
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Just looked it up. At over $1,600 per dose, that seems to be a Locker Room worthy drug.
Probably uses Buprenorphine.........that's what the detox I went to used.
No. He does use suboxone as Reed mentioned. I’ll have to ask him why, probably the expense compared to suboxone as someone already mentioned. Also, without looking it up I don’t think any trial work has been done comparing it directly to suboxone only that it works better than placebos.
“DEA Special Agent, Scott Brink, warned more than 200 Kentucky doctors — including dozens of veterinarians — during an August conference in Louisville to be extra vigilant for people hurting their animals in the attempt to acquire opioids, as it now seems man’s best friend is among the victims of the nation’s worst drug crisis.
A new study from the Colorado School of Public Health at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus showed that 62 percent of veterinarians surveyed felt they had a significant role in preventing opioid abuse.”
A new study from the Colorado School of Public Health at the University of Colorado Anschutz Medical Campus showed that 62 percent of veterinarians surveyed felt they had a significant role in preventing opioid abuse.”
Just took my mandated "Controlled Substance" course yesterday...actually very good.
Quite terrifying the statistics of Opioid use/addiction etc.
Quite terrifying the statistics of Opioid use/addiction etc.
I do support and dev for an EHR that's catered to substance abuse and behavioral health facilities. As I've looked through the demographics of patients that are in our system, I can tell you that the opioid crisis does not discriminate. It affects every type of person: Young, old, rich, poor, men, women, every race, every religion. It doesn't care.
In last months update we included a very requested feature many of our users have been asking for. They had been asking for an easy way to tell how many times a patient had been readmitted into their facility. We now have on the client card, right next to the admission date, what number that admission is. (1st, 2nd, 3rd...etc). We were talking to one of the clinical directors at one of the facilities that uses our software. She was saying it's not uncommon for a patient to come back for treatment because it's so hard to finally beat the addiction. She said if they can easily see how many times a patient has been there, then they can try a different approach to help that patient.
The sad thing is it's only getting worse.
In last months update we included a very requested feature many of our users have been asking for. They had been asking for an easy way to tell how many times a patient had been readmitted into their facility. We now have on the client card, right next to the admission date, what number that admission is. (1st, 2nd, 3rd...etc). We were talking to one of the clinical directors at one of the facilities that uses our software. She was saying it's not uncommon for a patient to come back for treatment because it's so hard to finally beat the addiction. She said if they can easily see how many times a patient has been there, then they can try a different approach to help that patient.
The sad thing is it's only getting worse.
The crazy thing about opioids... is they don't even really kill pain... they just make you not CARE you're IN pain... and it's one of the most respected professions that is fueling this epidemic.
Although it's way too late to assign blame for all the pain and tragedy these killers have caused... it's important to look at the moral and social roots of a problem to be able gain focus for a lasting solution. You can blame another person all you want, pharmaceutical companies, the doctors, what have you... until we realize WHAT allowed them to do this ... what was the real, underlying problem that they took advantage of... we will always be putting out fires in a reactionary way as opposed to a preventative way (taking the flamethrower out of the pyro's hands).
My Opinion here (welcome to amendments / counterpoints):
I personally feel that we are, on the grand scale, reeling from all the implications of the diminishing of the struggle for pure survival unlike any time in history. Simply staying alive used to require MUCH more of our focus and energy. Now that we have conquered Earth like never before, we are each left with the individual decision on what to fill that void with. It has provided us with an explosion of creativity and personal exploration, travel, luxury etc but the game of opportunity and the ugliness of abuse has also altered into equally disturbing problems.
The predator in this particular crisis is greed... (the doctors, lawyers, politicians, dealers, etc) profiting from the distribution of heroine's little cousin, opioids.
The prey here are people wishing to escape life, a symptom of feeling helpless and aimless in life. Sure there are some who legitimately get addicted simply by taking the "painkillers" their doctor prescribed them and just have an addictive personality but... I personally believe the majority of addicts started through peer-pressure and/or a general feeling of meaninglessness in life. Many adults are getting addiced... It's harder to swallow when it's a kid the doctors etc. are taking advantage of.
I think it's these dynamics that are at the core of the epidemic.
Human greed has always been there but not like today. In the void left by survivals struggle... success and economic comparison is one of the prevalent forces that has supplanted the primal struggle. You can't really say it's all the baby boomers fault with how focused on money they are. Any non-political mass movement that runs the course of an entire generation is primarily human nature's reaction to the changes of the time.
Greed, I think, is both fueling the second problem on the grand scale and feeding on it in this particular crisis:
Many are discontent with the rat race of financial success and are more sensitive to the problems in today's world. Has anyone else noticed that those more prone to addiction tend to be people who are the "sweeter-hearts" the more sensitive to conflict, or even the more empathetic among us? With media almost always focusing on the problems in the world, with the pressure and stress of succeeding in today's world of high competition coupled with high vocational expertise (aka monotony), ... many people just plumb feel depressed... honestly we almost should have seen this coming with the wave of distribution of anti-depressants or the romance of suicide among the "emo" youth. This epidemic is just the new ramped up face of the same problem.
Do any of us have the solution to this? No. This problem is one we are going to have to battle on an individual level more and more and more in the future... it honestly, may be the precurser struggle that instigates the next phase of our evolution. I hate how calloused that sounds. On the whole I think the best thing we can do collectively is actively be more empathetic, understanding, and caring towards each other. When you see someone trying to escape, pry, investigate what's wrong but do so through compassion... listen to them. Break the barriers to find out the source of their pain but without trying to "fix" them... simply feeling like someone cares is usually enough. Shining hope to those hurting isn't selfless, the more I've tried to do this for others, the more I've learned about myself and have grown into more than I once was. I hope that didn't sound too self-righteous ... I've bungled care probably more than not... but we're all stuck on this rock together and it's time we, together have to start learning who ... WE are.
I'm sorry if this was super intense or preachy or both... hope I didn't offend anyone ... if I did please forgive me.
Although it's way too late to assign blame for all the pain and tragedy these killers have caused... it's important to look at the moral and social roots of a problem to be able gain focus for a lasting solution. You can blame another person all you want, pharmaceutical companies, the doctors, what have you... until we realize WHAT allowed them to do this ... what was the real, underlying problem that they took advantage of... we will always be putting out fires in a reactionary way as opposed to a preventative way (taking the flamethrower out of the pyro's hands).
My Opinion here (welcome to amendments / counterpoints):
I personally feel that we are, on the grand scale, reeling from all the implications of the diminishing of the struggle for pure survival unlike any time in history. Simply staying alive used to require MUCH more of our focus and energy. Now that we have conquered Earth like never before, we are each left with the individual decision on what to fill that void with. It has provided us with an explosion of creativity and personal exploration, travel, luxury etc but the game of opportunity and the ugliness of abuse has also altered into equally disturbing problems.
The predator in this particular crisis is greed... (the doctors, lawyers, politicians, dealers, etc) profiting from the distribution of heroine's little cousin, opioids.
The prey here are people wishing to escape life, a symptom of feeling helpless and aimless in life. Sure there are some who legitimately get addicted simply by taking the "painkillers" their doctor prescribed them and just have an addictive personality but... I personally believe the majority of addicts started through peer-pressure and/or a general feeling of meaninglessness in life. Many adults are getting addiced... It's harder to swallow when it's a kid the doctors etc. are taking advantage of.
I think it's these dynamics that are at the core of the epidemic.
Human greed has always been there but not like today. In the void left by survivals struggle... success and economic comparison is one of the prevalent forces that has supplanted the primal struggle. You can't really say it's all the baby boomers fault with how focused on money they are. Any non-political mass movement that runs the course of an entire generation is primarily human nature's reaction to the changes of the time.
Greed, I think, is both fueling the second problem on the grand scale and feeding on it in this particular crisis:
Many are discontent with the rat race of financial success and are more sensitive to the problems in today's world. Has anyone else noticed that those more prone to addiction tend to be people who are the "sweeter-hearts" the more sensitive to conflict, or even the more empathetic among us? With media almost always focusing on the problems in the world, with the pressure and stress of succeeding in today's world of high competition coupled with high vocational expertise (aka monotony), ... many people just plumb feel depressed... honestly we almost should have seen this coming with the wave of distribution of anti-depressants or the romance of suicide among the "emo" youth. This epidemic is just the new ramped up face of the same problem.
Do any of us have the solution to this? No. This problem is one we are going to have to battle on an individual level more and more and more in the future... it honestly, may be the precurser struggle that instigates the next phase of our evolution. I hate how calloused that sounds. On the whole I think the best thing we can do collectively is actively be more empathetic, understanding, and caring towards each other. When you see someone trying to escape, pry, investigate what's wrong but do so through compassion... listen to them. Break the barriers to find out the source of their pain but without trying to "fix" them... simply feeling like someone cares is usually enough. Shining hope to those hurting isn't selfless, the more I've tried to do this for others, the more I've learned about myself and have grown into more than I once was. I hope that didn't sound too self-righteous ... I've bungled care probably more than not... but we're all stuck on this rock together and it's time we, together have to start learning who ... WE are.
I'm sorry if this was super intense or preachy or both... hope I didn't offend anyone ... if I did please forgive me.
This breaks my heart fsutd
Look into Tranquil Shores in St Petersburg...founded by Chad Johnson, he went to FSU with my wife.
There is nothing to celebrate but he makes a valid point. Our “opioid crisis” should be called “lack of responsibility crisis”. This isn’t the 70’s where someone all of a sudden said “oh sh*t, I can get aids from a needle???” Anyone willing to take these drugs just simply doesn’t care about consequences or their personal responsibilities.
And to the OP, yes, a neighbors child just OD’d about 2 weeks ago. While I’m sad for them, they knew for years she had an issue and their response was one of the laziest I’ve ever seen. Was totally preventable
Anyone see this? Ridiculous that a doc who doesn’t even see patients can write this many prescriptions for so long.
ATLANTA — A highly regarded former Georgia medical examiner has been sentenced to serve eight years in prison for trading opioid prescriptions for sex in what former colleagues say is a sad and shocking turn for a man they knew as an ethical and dedicated public servant.
A forensic pathologist and former medical examiner, Joseph Burton, 73, handled cases from seven metro Atlanta counties, including some of the region’s most high-profile murders.
Burton and seven others were indicted on conspiracy charges in February. Prosecutors say Burton, who had a medical expert consulting business but didn’t see patients, wrote more than 1,500 prescriptions from July 2015 to August 2017 without a legitimate medical purpose.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...483fda-ab8e-11e8-9a7d-cd30504ff902_story.html
ATLANTA — A highly regarded former Georgia medical examiner has been sentenced to serve eight years in prison for trading opioid prescriptions for sex in what former colleagues say is a sad and shocking turn for a man they knew as an ethical and dedicated public servant.
A forensic pathologist and former medical examiner, Joseph Burton, 73, handled cases from seven metro Atlanta counties, including some of the region’s most high-profile murders.
Burton and seven others were indicted on conspiracy charges in February. Prosecutors say Burton, who had a medical expert consulting business but didn’t see patients, wrote more than 1,500 prescriptions from July 2015 to August 2017 without a legitimate medical purpose.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...483fda-ab8e-11e8-9a7d-cd30504ff902_story.html
That article reads like the last episode of a AMC or TNT series.
