Oppenheimer
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After reading this thread I’d say it seems pretty clear that the movie did do a pretty good job accurately depicting the story. Oppenheimer clearly had close associations with Communists and even shared some of their ideology. But like @goldmom said in pre WW2 America this wasn’t completely uncommon and that’s especially true in the hyper liberal world of universities and even more true of Stanford. But there wasn’t any evidence that Oppenheimer was any sort of spy for the Soviets and if not for Strauss’s grudge his clearance likely would have been approved without much issue.
From what I read this was a little more complicated. Eisenhower considered stopping it, but wasn't ready to take on McCarthy at that time. Right after Oppenheimer losing his security clearance, McCarthy felt emboldened to take on the Army which was the last straw for Eisenhower and he hatched his political plot to take him down. At least that is what the historians I read thought was the time line. (Eisenhower is my favorite 20th century president and I read a lot of biographies about him)
Been to his childhood home in Denison just up 75 from Dallas.
I went over the weekend while it was 150 degrees out. There was about 20 people in the theater. Movie was good although a little long. It should get some nods for the Oscars. Also went to see Sound of Freedom which was also excellent. It was more crowded as it was in the evening.
This is not true, Venona discovered over 300 "communists" in the state department and other government bureaucracies, even in the OSS, and many in very sensitive positions, like The Rosenbergs, Harry Dexter White, Alger Hiss, Karl Fuchs, to name a few...
Making the accusation without direct evidence was the beginning of the end for McCarthy. Yet, it does excuse one very salient fact: Marshal and the Truman Administration lost China, one of the biggest blunders in American foreign policy, and it was lost due to State Department that was infiltrated with Communists.
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Not true, once McCarthy was senator he was not controlling HUAC, and HUAC's actions during the "Red Scare" took place without McCarthy's guidance while he was in the Senate. The idea that McCarthy was destroying the lives of thousands of innocent people is simply not true.
Verona proved that the American Communist Party was taking directives from the Soviet Union.... nothing "minor" about that.
I do not view McCarthy as a hero nor as a villain, yet he was more far right than wrong in his accusations about the infiltration about communists in our government. Whether his actions to expose communists in our government was to advance his own political ambitions or was sincere, that is open to debate and opinion, as well as his tactics.
On another note, I've disagreed with you about everything from Rick Tricket (who still sucks) to contemporary culture, yet over the last 17 years I've come to sincerely appreciate your posts and your input on these boards. On this particular topic, you are largely repeating the standard McCarthy narrative which is no longer accurate.
Sincerely,
Noletaire
Wow...................you remember what I said about Tricket???
I have no idea what I posted...........LOL
McCarthy was just making wild as# guesses about who was a Soviet spy. As a result he gave the real spies cover................
Roosevelt and Hoover were not really looking for Soviet spies instead spent resources dealing with fascism..............which they thought was a more imminent threat.
I don't think we are far off from each other, just that I see the spread of fascism across Europe (Spanish Civil War, Germany, Italy) is a much more serious light and note the support from American industrialist for fascism as a more dangerous to America than the American Communist Party which by the mid 1950s had a membership of around 5000 (From a peak of 75,000 in the 1930s)
Saw it last night.. it was definitely interesting. I think I overhyped it in my mind because I was reading this was the greatest movie of all time.
I definitely enjoyed it though. I need to read up more about it because I knew very little about it going into it.
I definitely enjoyed it though. I need to read up more about it because I knew very little about it going into it.
Yeah. It was a little long.. 3 hours is a bit much.
It was definitely interesting but nowhere near my top 10 favorite movies of all time.. which reading the trailer comments on YouTube and some other social media posts about it, I was expecting a lot more
