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If this photo is accurate, cop walked into Philly Starbucks in full uniform, asked to use restroom and was denied. Then he goes on a Facebook rant accusing the barista of being a "blonde liberal" who probably praises cop killers. The barista could've probably used more common sense but this reaction seems over the top and petty. His post on Facebook makes him sound like an entitled a'hole. What do you think?


http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/dncrime/Philly-cops-.html?c=r

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He wasn't upset about not being able to park his lambo in front of the store... he needed to use the bathroom. It should be ok for a uniformed police officer to use the bathroom at any public location of his or her choosing considering their line of work in keeping those locations safe.

If anyone thinks that it's not reasonable to be allowed to use a bathroom makes that person 'entitled' then I give the F up. Over the top and petty was the Starbucks employee. Even if a regular person off the street needs to relieve themselves I don't think overpaying for a cup of crappy coffee should be a requirement for standard human decency.
 
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Yep, she should have let him use the bathroom, no question, just out of decency. But she doesn't HAVE to. There's no law that you have to like cops, or that the law abiding public has to let them use the bathroom, or, like the restaurants I worked at as a kid, give them free coffee.

But this is the reality that the police and militarized law enforcement have created. They insist that treating people like crap is an integral and necessary part of their job, then hunker down around the most egregious of their members. It's not just the cops in uniform, it goes all the way to the top.

The cops are the ones that took an "us vs. them" mentality...more people are starting to finally realize that they're part of the "them." His post does absolutely nothing to dispel that dynamic at all. I don't think it's up to baristas to bridge that divide, that's 100% on the cops.
 
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LT4PLY said:
He wasn't upset about not being able to park his lambo in front of the store... he needed to use the bathroom. It should be ok for a uniformed police officer to use the bathroom at any public location of his or her choosing considering their line of work in keeping those locations safe.

If anyone thinks that it's not reasonable to be allowed to use a bathroom makes that person 'entitled' then I give the F up. Over the top and petty was the Starbucks employee. Even if a regular person off the street needs to relieve themselves I don't think overpaying for a cup of crappy coffee should be a requirement for standard human decency.
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What do you think about his tantrum on Facebook?
 
LT4PLY said:
He wasn't upset about not being able to park his lambo in front of the store... he needed to use the bathroom. It should be ok for a uniformed police officer to use the bathroom at any public location of his or her choosing considering their line of work in keeping those locations safe.

If anyone thinks that it's not reasonable to be allowed to use a bathroom makes that person 'entitled' then I give the F up. Over the top and petty was the Starbucks employee. Even if a regular person off the street needs to relieve themselves I don't think overpaying for a cup of crappy coffee should be a requirement for standard human decency.
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I agree with your sentiment, but mostly I like that you phrased some of it yoda speak - "Over the top and petty was the Starbucks employee." mmmmm....yeeesss... Decent should we be to one another....

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Nole Lou said:
Yep, she should have let him use the bathroom, no question, just out of decency. But she doesn't HAVE to. There's no law that you have to like cops, or that the law abiding public has to let them use the bathroom, or, like the restaurants I worked at as a kid, give them free coffee.

But this is the reality that the police and militarized law enforcement have created. They insist that treating people like crap is an integral and necessary part of their job, then hunker down around the most egregious of their members. It's not just the cops in uniform, it goes all the way to the top.

The cops are the ones that took an "us vs. them" mentality...more people are starting to finally realize that they're part of the "them." His post does absolutely nothing to dispel that dynamic at all. I don't think it's up to baristas to bridge that divide, that's 100% on the cops.
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In his Facebook post the cop actually posted this:

Thought you world like to know this happened at your 1301 Chestnut St in Philadelphia. In a time when police are being made the enemy, Your clerk pulls this nonsense. And might I point out, this store is a frequent caller to police for some sort of service.​

It seems like he was expecting some sort of quid pro quo for responding to calls from the Starbucks. If you call the police for some reason to your business, should you expect then to randomly stop by in the future and use your business' bathroom? Sounds like entitlement to me
 
YogiNole said:
In his Facebook post the cop actually posted this:

Thought you world like to know this happened at your 1301 Chestnut St in Philadelphia. In a time when police are being made the enemy, Your clerk pulls this nonsense. And might I point out, this store is a frequent caller to police for some sort of service.​

It seems like he was expecting some sort of quid pro quo for responding to calls from the Starbucks. If you call the police for some reason to your business, should you expect then to randomly stop by in the future and use your business' bathroom? Sounds like entitlement to me
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Agree...they aren't a volunteer force. They aren't doing the Starbucks a favor for showing up, Starbucks is paying for it with their taxes. If it was a guy from the water department, would he say "And by the way, I know for a fact that this location uses plenty of water!"

Again, I wouldn't have done what the cashier did. I'm not about making an individual suffer...he might be the nicest guy and greatest cop in the world. But how on earth is he making it better by politicizing it further, and drawing more lines in the sand. He's just leaning into the "us vs. them" that is at the core of this. Only the cops can fix this, if they even want to.

That's if it even when down like this. As I said, when I worked in a restaurant, we gave the cops free coffee. The first time a cop came in, I didn't know that, and I charged him. I wasn't making a statement, I just didn't know. Maybe the manager hadn't told her that cops get special privileges...I know it certainly didn't occur to me in my first job. The fact that he reports nobody had an issue with it implies he's reading into it a grander statement that might have been largely in his own mind.
 
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YogiNole said:
In his Facebook post the cop actually posted this:

Thought you world like to know this happened at your 1301 Chestnut St in Philadelphia. In a time when police are being made the enemy, Your clerk pulls this nonsense. And might I point out, this store is a frequent caller to police for some sort of service.​

It seems like he was expecting some sort of quid pro quo for responding to calls from the Starbucks. If you call the police for some reason to your business, should you expect then to randomly stop by in the future and use your business' bathroom? Sounds like entitlement to me
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A little bit. He does seem overly defensive. Then again, he just asked to use the restroom.
 
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For me, the issue is that:

A) He just assumes he's being denied service because he's a cop, and
B) He derisively calls the employee a "blonde liberal."
 
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No brainer this situation is. Courtesy should he have received, mmmm yeeesss. Politics, they do not play into this situation.
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The barista is just young and dumb and was annoyed with people asking her to use the bathroom. I'm sure she will learn from this.

And I don't blame the officer one bit for blogging about it. Clearly Starbucks needs to send out a memo saying it's okay to let uniformed police officers use the facilities, even if they aren't a paying customer. If officer didn't blog, they wouldn't have known their employees were that clueless.

Saying things like "blonde liberal" was uncalled for, but it shows that it's affective. If he simply tweeted about it to Starbucks corporate, they prolly would have done very little to insure this type of common courtesy is given moving forward.

Just the way things work nowadays I guess.
 
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She did what's well within her rights to do, per her company's policy.

I will make a big jump here, simply because of his use of "liberal" in his post ... But I have a feeling he is okay with "standing for conservative beliefs" and denying certain groups of people basic human rights.

Big leap, I know, but that's my gut feeling.
 
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I like liberal amounts of alcohol in my drinks. Maybe he was just commenting on how frothy the cappuccino are.
 
Nole Lou said:
Yep, she should have let him use the bathroom, no question, just out of decency. But she doesn't HAVE to. There's no law that you have to like cops, or that the law abiding public has to let them use the bathroom, or, like the restaurants I worked at as a kid, give them free coffee.

But this is the reality that the police and militarized law enforcement have created. They insist that treating people like crap is an integral and necessary part of their job, then hunker down around the most egregious of their members. It's not just the cops in uniform, it goes all the way to the top.

The cops are the ones that took an "us vs. them" mentality...more people are starting to finally realize that they're part of the "them." His post does absolutely nothing to dispel that dynamic at all. I don't think it's up to baristas to bridge that divide, that's 100% on the cops.
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NoleLou nails it.

Cop certainly comes off as a douche.
I've been refused access to the bathroom many a time, often I have to just buy a bottle of water so I can use the restroom. It's not uncommon at all -- the "restroom for customers only" policy is in place so randoms and hobos don't start shitting and showering all over the place (known to happen at Starbucks in major cities), so this young lady was likely following store policy, though I would agree that if the store manager allowed his/her employees some discretion, she should have allowed the officer to use the can.

Holy run-on-sentence batman!
 
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Why didn't he just buy a friggin' coffee?

You SHOULD buy something if you're going to use a private company's restroom. Your profession is irrelevant.

Why is he (and others in this thread) calling the bathroom a "public restroom?

He IS an entitled a-hole who thinks everyone should defer to the police.

F him, IMO.
 
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LesClaypool said:
Why didn't he just buy a friggin' coffee?

You SHOULD buy something if you're going to use a private company's restroom. Your profession is irrelevant.

Why is he (and others in this thread) calling the bathroom a "public restroom?

He IS an entitled a-hole who thinks everyone should defer to the police.

F him, IMO.
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This is what I don't get. It's like there's some kind of Stockholm syndrome going around that says we should give cops, essentially public servants on our taxpayer dollars, stuff for free. I have no problem with voluntarily giving but demanding for it makes them across as entitled a'holes.
 
I think all police forces should allow their employees to leave their beat or area and return to the station to use the restroom. The nerve of a cop who was probably assigned to this area wanting to go the bathroom while on duty. He works for me I pay taxes this guy will go the bathroom when I tell him. The next thing you know he will want an ice cup for free. Even better idea we should pay for all cops to wear diapers that way they wont have to worry about going the bathroom. I swear many of you remind me of the folks that call 911 for a ride to the hospital with your bag packed and waiting at the front door; then you bitch because the ride was bumpy and the ambulance was to cold; but hey you have insurance (medicade) and so someone will pay.
 
RangerNole said:
I think all police forces should allow their employees to leave their beat or area and return to the station to use the restroom. The nerve of a cop who was probably assigned to this area wanting to go the bathroom while on duty. He works for me I pay taxes this guy will go the bathroom when I tell him. The next thing you know he will want an ice cup for free. Even better idea we should pay for all cops to wear diapers that way they wont have to worry about going the bathroom. I swear many of you remind me of the folks that call 911 for a ride to the hospital with your bag packed and waiting at the front door; then you bitch because the ride was bumpy and the ambulance was to cold; but hey you have insurance (medicade) and so someone will pay.
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This can be a mature discussion without the binary hyperbole that's become too common in the public discourse.
LR is (frighteningly) much more thoughtful and measured in these discussions than the general public, which is why I think the mods have given us so much leeway recently.

I'm not really even sure what the point you're trying to make is - but people taking advantage of ambulances really has nothing to do with what's being discussed here, nor does an expectation that cops not take pee breaks or wear adult diapers.
 
Maybe so, but that is what it looks like. Cop wants to take a leak and he is the douche for having the nerve to post that Starbucks said no. Sure throwing the blonde liberal label out there was weak; but he wanted to take a leak, the horror. Maybe the next time this place is robbed or has an issue the response time will be 10 minutes because the cop had to go 5 blocks away to take a leak. Of course Starbucks would whine about how they waited 10 minutes for a response and you can all write how cops are jerks and why didn't he pee before he came to work; it is only a 10 hour shift.
 
Perhaps if he didn't come off as an entitled prick she would have just given him the code. If not, I'm sure there was a McDonald's down the road.
 
RangerNole said:
Maybe so, but that is what it looks like. Cop wants to take a leak and he is the douche for having the nerve to post that Starbucks said no. Sure throwing the blonde liberal label out there was weak; but he wanted to take a leak, the horror. Maybe the next time this place is robbed or has an issue the response time will be 10 minutes because the cop had to go 5 blocks away to take a leak. Of course Starbucks would whine about how they waited 10 minutes for a response and you can all write how cops are jerks and why didn't he pee before he came to work; it is only a 10 hour shift.
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For the record I think nearly everyone in this thread is saying:
a) starbucks should have let him use their restroom
b) cop shouldn't have been such a douche about it on social media

We don't know the nature of their discussion, he makes it seem like he was being gentlemanly while the barista was being a snotty pain in the ass. Barista might have the opposite story. Regardless, a) and b) above probably hold true.

Now where the eff is my ambulance? Damn thing better not be too cold this time!!! ;)
 
BacardiNole said:
This can be a mature discussion without the binary hyperbole that's become too common in the public discourse.
LR is (frighteningly) much more thoughtful and measured in these discussions than the general public, which is why I think the mods have given us so much leeway recently.

I'm not really even sure what the point you're trying to make is - but people taking advantage of ambulances really has nothing to do with what's being discussed here, nor does an expectation that cops not take pee breaks or wear adult diapers.
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No it can't because the overwhelming response on this board is cop sucks he was in the wrong. If you can't see the stupidity in the fact that dude just needed to pee and some self righteous chick decided to play her power move then we can't have a discussion. Yet of course when this chick gets mugged she will expect 15 cops to be there in 2 minutes.
 
She should have let him use the restroom. But for most of us it is common practice is to buy something if you use a store's bathroom. Police certainly deserve an exception because they are out there doing a tough and dangerous job. Who knows what the attitude was on both sides?
 
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No it can't because the overwhelming response on this board is cop sucks he was in the wrong. If you can't see the stupidity in the fact that dude just needed to pee and some self righteous chick decided to play her power move then we can't have a discussion. Yet of course when this chick gets mugged she will expect 15 cops to be there in 2 minutes.
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No, the majority said that she should have let him use the restroom but he shouldn't have acted like it was his damn right and thrown a hissy-fit on the internet.
 
Why do they inherently deserve an exception because their job is tough? That's silly.

I'd have let him use the restroom, but he should've offered to buy something. It's common courtesy and your job has no bearing on that.
 
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It's not a public bathroom.
It's right in downtown Philly, so they probably have a customers only policy for a reason.
Cops are not entitled to preferential treatment.
Whenever I travel, I buy something wherever I use the bathroom.

But, I don't travel every day for my job.
Cops' offices are their cars - there aren't any bathrooms there.
She should have thought about that.

Like most things, both people could have handled it better.

And, he should have gone to Macy's.
 
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