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Quincy Jones: Old Man Yells at Clouds

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What’s something you wish you didn’t know?Who killed Kennedy.

Who did it?
[Chicago mobster Sam] GiancanaChicago gangster Sam Giancana is a well-known name among Kennedy conspiracists, both for his alleged help in delivering Illinois votes for Kennedy in the 1960 presidential election and the 1963 assassination of the president. The latter theory largely stems from Giancana’s murder in 1975, not long before he was supposed to testify before a Senate committee investigating collusion between the mob and the CIA.. The connection was there between Sinatra and the Mafia and Kennedy. Joe Kennedy — he was a bad man — he came to Frank to have him talk to Giancana about getting votes.
 
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What’s something you wish you didn’t know?Who killed Kennedy.

Who did it?
[Chicago mobster Sam] GiancanaChicago gangster Sam Giancana is a well-known name among Kennedy conspiracists, both for his alleged help in delivering Illinois votes for Kennedy in the 1960 presidential election and the 1963 assassination of the president. The latter theory largely stems from Giancana’s murder in 1975, not long before he was supposed to testify before a Senate committee investigating collusion between the mob and the CIA.. The connection was there between Sinatra and the Mafia and Kennedy. Joe Kennedy — he was a bad man — he came to Frank to have him talk to Giancana about getting votes.

JFK also shared a girlfriend with Giancana (Judith Campbell), and she ran Anti-Castro money and marching orders from JFK to Giancana.

Frankly, all that proves is that they had connections. I'm all in on the Mafia did it, if there was a conspiracy (which I'm much less sure than I used to be), but I'm not totally convinced that Giancana would be at the center of the mafia side of the plot.

In any event, the concurrent ties between the Kennedys and the mob, and RFK's anti-Mafia assault as AG, is one of the strangest and most baffling phenomenons in recent American political history. The mob ties were both personal and functional, with the Kennedy's using the mob in anti-Castro activities, while at the same time RFK is snatching up Carlos Marcello and dropping him off in a jungle in Guatamala (the birth country in Marcello's obviously fraudulent immigration docs). An extreme and foolhardy move that the courts even overturned.

I've read more about the Kennedys and the assassination than most, and more about the mafia than almost all. And both of those phenomenon existed at the same time, its almost universally accepted. And yet, I've heard almost no explanation, credible or not, for WHY those two obviously diametrically opposed initiatives were happening at the same time. How did JFK and RFK even sort out the contradiction among themselves?

If RFK's actions were purely symbolic lip service, that would be typical politician sleight of hand, but it's clearly obvious they were not, so how did the brother team even begin to reconcile that? I've seen precious little attempt to make sense of it, in an area of "study" that invites even the wildest claims and explanations.
 
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JFK also shared a girlfriend with Giancana (Judith Campbell), and she ran Anti-Castro money and marching orders from JFK to Giancana.

Frankly, all that proves is that they had connections. I'm all in on the Mafia did it, if there was a conspiracy (which I'm much less sure than I used to be), but I'm not totally convinced that Giancana would be at the center of the mafia side of the plot.

In any event, the concurrent ties between the Kennedys and the mob, and RFK's anti-Mafia assault as AG, is one of the strangest and most baffling phenomenons in recent American political history. The mob ties were both personal and functional, with the Kennedy's using the mob in anti-Castro activities, while at the same time RFK is snatching up Carlos Marcello and dropping him off in a jungle in Guatamala (the birth country in Marcello's obviously fraudulent immigration docs). An extreme and foolhardy move that the courts even overturned.

I've read more about the Kennedys and the assassination than most, and more about the mafia than almost all. And both of those phenomenon existed at the same time, its almost universally accepted. And yet, I've heard almost no explanation, credible or not, for WHY those two obviously diametrically opposed initiatives were happening at the same time. How did JFK and RFK even sort out the contradiction among themselves?

If RFK's actions were purely symbolic lip service, that would be typical politician sleight of hand, but it's clearly obvious they were not, so how did the brother team even begin to reconcile that? I've seen precious little attempt to make sense of it, in an area of "study" that invites even the wildest claims and explanations.

Obviously the company that released this article is garbage (Newsmax) but it makes for a semi-interesting read.

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/608736/16
 
Glad we can finally put that JFK thing to bed.

Lol.

Well let’s put it this way. I don’t doubt that Quincy Jones hung out with high level mafiasos back in the day and I don’t doubt they TOLD him that they killed JFK. Whether true or not.

Similarly I met people who no doubt really did know Trafficante and who were TOLD he had a hand in it as well. Doesn’t mean it’s true.
 
Also for those who think Lyndon Johnson and/or the CIA killed JFK...Trafficante was one of the mafiosos who worked with the CIA to attempt to kill Castro and other foreign presidents. So it’s certainly not outside the realm of possibility they were asked to kill a domestic president as well. Especially after Kennedy was viewed (rightly or wrongly) to have inadvertently killed a bunch of CIA and mob assets due to his decisions during the Bay of Pigs debacle.
 
Did he say Brando had sex with Richard Prior and Marvin Gaye?

Did I read that right?????

Well Brando was apparently well known to be a trisexual (try anything and everything). He smashed Marilyn Monroe and Grace Kelly, but also James Dean, Rock Hudson, Cary Grant, Bob Dylan and more. Any famous person male or female of that era either had sex with Brando or else he tried and failed. The dude had an infamous sexual appetite.
 
Well Brando was apparently well known to be a trisexual (try anything and everything). He smashed Marilyn Monroe and Grace Kelly, but also James Dean, Rock Hudson, Cary Grant, Bob Dylan and more. Any famous person male or female of that era either had sex with Brando or else he tried and failed. The dude had an infamous sexual appetite.

No way
 
Did he say Brando had sex with Richard Prior and Marvin Gaye?

Did I read that right?????

https://www.google.com/amp/amp.tmz.com/2018/02/07/richard-pryor-widow-confirms-sex-marlon-brando

Jennifer tells TMZ ... Richard would have no shame about Quincy's comments. She says the comedic legend was always very open about his bisexuality with friends, and documented it extensively in diaries. Jennifer says she'll publish them later this year.

As for Richard hooking up with Brando -- she says, "It was the '70s! Drugs were still good, especially quaaludes. If you did enough cocaine, you'd f*** a radiator and send it flowers in the morning."

Jennifer says she has no doubt Richard would be cracking up if he heard Quincy spilling the tea.
 
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Obviously the company that released this article is garbage (Newsmax) but it makes for a semi-interesting read.

https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/608736/16

Yeah, I've heard that story. As I mentioned, I don't lean toward the assassination being a Chicago operation really, but it could have been. However, if it was, I don't think this guy as part of it. There's precious little evidence, as far as I understand, that he was a "mafia hitman" or at least one of any significance to be trusted with the biggest rubout of all time. I read this guy as another "Ice Man" Kuklinski...a small time thug that chased fame and attention by creating a fictional mafia history for himself, and then making outrageous claims. "Journalists" are incredibly willing to take those "I was a mafia hitman" stories as face value for some reason. Maybe because they are cool and sexy, and there's always enough "omerta" around it to pretend its unverifiable anyway.

That said...there is enough about his story that rings consistent with Chicago theories though. My guess is that he just cribbed them from known sources or had them fed to him by an author in cahoots. It's not totally impossible though that he's biting another guy's story that he actually has street information on.

IF that's the case, my guess is he's biting Richard Cain's story. Richard Cain is absolutely the most fascinating mafioso that is not a household name...maybe even among those that are. I'm surprised there was never a movie made...maybe it would come off as too fictional. Maybe it was the inspiration for the movie that was the inspiration for The Departed, I don't know. Because here's the hook in the Richard Cain story...he was an actual made guy in the Chicago mob AND a Chicago police detective of some prominence.

Here's a good read on the guy, worth it just for the "holy crap" of it:

http://spartacus-educational.com/JFKcainR.htm

To whatever extent the Chicago mob was involved, I think Cain would have been up to his neck in it...even as far as being a potential shooter. He's a guy that would have no trouble moving in the circles you'd have to move in to pull that off, in my mind.

I still think a mafia plot was more driven out of Louisiana/Florida and was more entwined with the Cuban exiles than Chicago, but I think Cain would absolutely be one of the most likely to both be tasked with it, and be able to pull it off.
 
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Lol.

Well let’s put it this way. I don’t doubt that Quincy Jones hung out with high level mafiasos back in the day and I don’t doubt they TOLD him that they killed JFK. Whether true or not.

Similarly I met people who no doubt really did know Trafficante and who were TOLD he had a hand in it as well. Doesn’t mean it’s true.

Now that's closer to the right track...Trafficante and Marcello are the best suspects, by a long shot to me. Doesn't mean Chicago didn't know or wasn't involved...but Trafficante and Marcello were the the guys, not Giancana I believe. The best "eye witness" claims, which are still dubious enough, implicate those guys. The "I was told" or "He admitted it" type stuff is strongest, such as it is, against them. As well as other factors.

Marcello and Trafficante ran especially tight, insular operations...more likely both to think they could pull it off, think they were untouchable enough to do it, and to have the connections where it counted.

Chicago, while powerful for sure...there was just so much sprawl to their operation, and tons of drama, so many loose lips and petty factions...I just don't see it as much for a lot of reasons.
 
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Well Brando was apparently well known to be a trisexual (try anything and everything). He smashed Marilyn Monroe and Grace Kelly, but also James Dean, Rock Hudson, Cary Grant, Bob Dylan and more. Any famous person male or female of that era either had sex with Brando or else he tried and failed. The dude had an infamous sexual appetite.
Dylan???
 
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Supposedly, not that I was there.
He “smashed” Dylan???

That’s one of the rumors according to one of Brando’s female lovers pictured here with both of them.

https://m.ranker.com/list/crazy-marlon-brando-facts/thaneeconomou

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“Quinn, a romantic partner of Brando’s in the '60s, visited Brando’s trailer on the set of The Appaloosa with Bob Dylan. "The first thing Marlon did was take this thing from around his neck and put it around mine," recalled Quinn. "I looked down and it was a scalp, a real human scalp. Possession is nine-tenths of the law—he was claiming me."

Quinn also claims Dylan asked for a bottle of coke, which Brando opened with his teeth, after which romance blossomed between Dylan and Brando (who was openly bisexual). "I never saw anything, but the word going around then was that Dylan was swinging both ways."”
 
Supposedly, not that I was there.


That’s one of the rumors according to one of Brando’s female lovers pictured here with both of them.

https://m.ranker.com/list/crazy-marlon-brando-facts/thaneeconomou

gave-a-necklace-made-of-human-scalp-to-actress-pat-quinn-photo-u1


“Quinn, a romantic partner of Brando’s in the '60s, visited Brando’s trailer on the set of The Appaloosa with Bob Dylan. "The first thing Marlon did was take this thing from around his neck and put it around mine," recalled Quinn. "I looked down and it was a scalp, a real human scalp. Possession is nine-tenths of the law—he was claiming me."

Quinn also claims Dylan asked for a bottle of coke, which Brando opened with his teeth, after which romance blossomed between Dylan and Brando (who was openly bisexual). "I never saw anything, but the word going around then was that Dylan was swinging both ways."”

That is so weird.
 
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