S.C. Police Man Violently Assaults HS Girl

[TC Nole OX]

Unfortunately bau. There is zero justification for the officer's actions


https://www.facebook.com/shaunking/videos/vb.799539910084929/937383839633868/?type=2&theater

 

[MathisJones]

And they justify it because she was verbally disruptive...

 

[TC Nole OX]

And they justify it because she was verbally disruptive...

Yep....you must display meek obedience or they will either kill you or beat you mercilessly.

 

[seminole97]

Just curious, how should law enforcement obtain compliance?

 

[DFSNOLE]

Just curious, how should law enforcement obtain compliance?

I guess just say pretty please and if that doesn't work, walk away.

 

[FreeFlyNole]

I'm not police apologist, but that video is worthless without context.

 

[TC Nole OX]

I'm not police apologist, but that video is worthless without context.

There is no context that justifies the police man's actions.

 

[seminole97]

There is no context that justifies the police man's actions.

I could think of a few, but I'm curious, since you started this thread, if you have an opinion on how law enforcement should handle non-compliance.
After a person is asked and refuses, what do you expect the next step to be?

 

[TC Nole OX]

I could think of a few, but I'm curious, since you started this thread, if you have an opinion on how law enforcement should handle non-compliance.
After a person is asked and refuses, what do you expect the next step to be?

Millions of people in many lines of work gain cooperation daily from people who are difficult, abrasive and hostile. They do this because they don't have an unlimited license to kill and inflict violence and because they have some level of interpersonal skills.

 

[F4Gary]

Millions of people in many lines of work gain cooperation daily from people who are difficult, abrasive and hostile. They do this because they don't have an unlimited license to kill and inflict violence and because they have some level of interpersonal skills.

In other words, I don't know.

 

[TC Nole OX]

In other words, I don't know.

This isn't a foreign concept to most of the population. Build a rapport with people and more often than not they cooperate. This officer, other than his highly fragile ego, was in no danger. Instead of talking to the student for a few minutes and gaining her cooperation, he quickly resorted to violence because like the chump he is, he couldn't handle being shown up by a small child.

 

[ncnole1975]

This isn't a foreign concept to most of the population. Build a rapport with people and more often than not they cooperate. This officer, other than his highly fragile ego, was in no danger. Instead of talking to the student for a few minutes and gaining her cooperation, he quickly resorted to violence because like the chump he is, he couldn't handle being shown up by a small child.

You are assuming he "quickly" resorted to violence. You have no clue what happened. Maybe he spent 10 minutes giving her direction that she just sat there and ignored....

 

[TC Nole OX]

You are assuming he "quickly" resorted to violence. You have no clue what happened. Maybe he spent 10 minutes giving her direction that she just sat there and ignored....

And the odds of that are.......zip

 

[West Duval Nole]

And the odds of that are.......zip

Well then why was the teacher not able to get her to exit the classroom and had to call for the police to come do it? Was the teacher impatient also? You don't know the whole story nor does anyone else. Sure seems like a lack of respect to adults in the teacher and the police officer. Did the police officer need to do that. Maybe not. Perhaps lift up the whole desk have someone open the door and carry the student with the whole desk and all out in the hallway. I can tell you my parents would have looked at this and said I deserved it for disrespecting an adult and probably would have gotten worse when I got home.

 

[TC Nole OX]

Well then why was the teacher not able to get her to exit the classroom and had to call for the police to come do it? Was the teacher impatient also? You don't know the whole story nor does anyone else. Sure seems like a lack of respect to adults in the teacher and the police officer. Did the police officer need to do that. Maybe not. Perhaps lift up the whole desk have someone open the door and carry the student with the whole desk and all out in the hallway. I can tell you my parents would have looked at this and said I deserved it for disrespecting an adult and probably would have gotten worse when I got home.

There is no circumstance that justifies this offficer, who is easily 100 pounds heavier than the girl, grabbing her by the neck, slamming her to the ground and then flinging her and her desk across the room like a rag doll. If a parent does this, jail for a long time. A spouse, jail for a long time. A teacher, jail for a long time. If a police man, thanks to the hypnotic powers of his costume, does this a legion of apologists come out of the woodwork to make excuses and place blame on the victim.

 

[runkpanole]

SSDD with some on here.

I thought we got rid of political crap and moved it to big delivery. The former RC circle.

 

[TC Nole OX]

SSDD with some on here.

I thought we got rid of political crap and moved it to big delivery. The former RC circle.

According to your posting history, you have started at least 5 police threads.

http://floridastate.forums.rivals.com/search/680252/

 

[runkpanole]

According to your posting history, you have started at least 5 police threads.

http://floridastate.forums.rivals.com/search/680252/

I did those because I get tired of the constant police bashing from you and a few others. This place is so much better now that big delivery took most of you guys over there.

 

[TC Nole OX]

I did those because I get tired of the constant police bashing from you and a few others. This place is so much better now that big delivery took most of you guys over there.

If police did not so frequently break the law, there would be no need for police accountabilty threads. Maybe you should re-examine your priorities.

 

[runkpanole]

My priorities are just fine. Yours on the other hand make me wonder.

 

[runkpanole]

I guess I will litter this board with other police stuff.

 

[ohio#1nolefan]

You were able to determine he wasn't justified in a 15 second clip? Where's the clip of her being a mouthy wench leading up to this? Oh....there isn't one?

 

[West Duval Nole]

There is no circumstance that justifies this offficer, who is easily 100 pounds heavier than the girl, grabbing her by the neck, slamming her to the ground and then flinging her and her desk across the room like a rag doll. If a parent does this, jail for a long time. A spouse, jail for a long time. A teacher, jail for a long time. If a police man, thanks to the hypnotic powers of his costume, does this a legion of apologists come out of the woodwork to make excuses and place blame on the victim.

Stop exaggerating. He flipped her chair back after trying to remove her from the chair. He did not choke slam or grab her buy the neck it wasn't a full headlock. then he had her arm and leg. The arm was actually behind her head as he brought the desk to the ground and then he yanked her out of the desk by her arm and her leg.

The wussification of America and encouragement to disrespect adults such as teachers and police officers while you are in school is ridiculous.

 

[West Duval Nole]

If police did not so frequently break the law, there would be no need for police accountabilty threads. Maybe you should re-examine your priorities.

And you still have yet to propose a solution on how this should have been handled had the individual continued to be non compliant with getting out of her desk. Believe it or not continuing to ask even nicely doesn't always work. But please provide step by step the way this should have been handled. Ask her and try to negotiate with person for how long? Let's assume she continues to be non compliant and refuses. At what point does the police officer have the right to get physical? Then what physical approach do you think should be taken. Should they go directly to tazing her or yanking her out of the desk or carrying her out with the whole desk and all. The closest thing you have proposed is building a rapport and they will do what you ask. What do you do if that fails? Just say oops sorry, I can't remove her carry on with your class we cant do anything about her disrupting it. Have a nice day Teach.

 

[ohio#1nolefan]

I believe people nowadays are much more likely to give cops and authoritarian figures less respect and simply disobey rules just because of cell phone video. This girl and the hundreds of other videos typically show the end result- a cop beating a "helpless person".
Sure there are rogue cops just as there are rogue politicians, rogue bankers and so on.
As someone else stated, why do you suppose the teacher had to have the cop come in the first place? Any chance this girl was trying to see how far she could push the envelope?

 

[runkpanole]

I believe people nowadays are much more likely to give cops and authoritarian figures less respect and simply disobey rules just because of cell phone video. This girl and the hundreds of other videos typically show the end result- a cop beating a "helpless person".
Sure there are rogue cops just as there are rogue politicians, rogue bankers and so on.
As someone else stated, why do you suppose the teacher had to have the cop come in the first place? Any chance this girl was trying to see how far she could push the envelope?

No, it is clearly the officer's fault. The sweet angelic "victim" is a model citizen.

 

[Gonolz]

Being "verbally disruptive" is a serious crime. He should have just shot her in the head. The body would have been easier to move then.

 

[noleclone2]

How can any sane person think this officers actions were warranted.

There is no circumstance that justifies this offficer, who is easily 100 pounds heavier than the girl, grabbing her by the neck, slamming her to the ground and then flinging her and her desk across the room like a rag doll. If a parent does this, jail for a long time. A spouse, jail for a long time. A teacher, jail for a long time. If a police man, thanks to the hypnotic powers of his costume, does this a legion of apologists come out of the woodwork to make excuses and place blame on the victim.

This times a 100

 

[West Duval Nole]

How can any sane person think this officeractions were warranted.
This times a 100

They are saying you don't know the whole story behind it to make that determination. May it have been inappropriate? Yes. But maybe it wasn't. Need to hear all facts related to it to know why he was called in to begin with what actions the teacher took and the reasoning behind it. And again you just say this is wrong yet you can provide what the correct actions should be taken in case verbally asking does not work.

 

[noleclone2]

They are saying you don't know the whole story behind it to make that determination. May it have been inappropriate? Yes. But maybe it wasn't. Need to hear all facts related to it to know why he was called in to begin with what actions the teacher took and the reasoning behind it. And again you just say this is wrong yet you can provide what the correct actions should be taken in case verbally asking does not work.

There is no possible back story to justify a cop assaulting a high school student. He may have been called to try to "get her to blink". She didn't. At that point it is a parent-school administrator-guidance counselor thing. Not a cop assaults sitting high school girl half his size thing. It's common sense. The guy does not deserve to carry a Badge.

 

[West Duval Nole]

There is no possible back story to justify a cop assaulting a high school student. He may have been called to try to "get her to blink". She didn't. At that point it is a parent-school administrator-guidance counselor thing. Not a cop assaults sitting high school girl half his size thing. It's common sense. The guy does not deserve to carry a Badge.

I love the absolutist mentality. How bout she just physically assaulted and or killed someone and was being arrested for it?

So why did they call the police? Why didn't the teacher get a guidance counselor or call the parents. Meanwhile the class is just supposed to stop until the parent arrives or someone Arrives that can verbally get the student to do what they are told and get up and out of the classroom.

Again you provide no solution if student continues to refuse to get up and leave.

 

[TC Nole OX]

I love the absolutist mentality. How bout she just physically assaulted and or killed someone and was being arrested for it?

Well, when police near there arrested the guy who shot all the people in the black church they treated him as nice as could be. He didn't get slammed to the ground, beaten or shot. Mind you he was armed during his arrest.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._roof_arrest_dashboard_camera_video_dull.html

 

[West Duval Nole]

Well, when police near there arrested the guy who shot all the people in the black church they treated him as nice as could be. He didn't get slammed to the ground, beaten or shot. Mind you he was armed during his arrest.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._roof_arrest_dashboard_camera_video_dull.html

Did he comply with their verbal commands? They had guns drawn on him when approaching and look he complied to their commands and allowed them to search him. He didn't say no and refuse to get out or reach for a gun.

 

[TC Nole OX]

Did he comply with their verbal commands? They had guns drawn on him when approaching and look he complied to their commands and allowed them to search him. He didn't say no and refuse to get out or reach for a gun.

He's also white which is really the key determinant in these situations

 

[TC Nole OX]

Officer is now on administrative duty aka paid vacation. Update to the story is that he is also the strength and conditioning coach for the hs football team

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._officer_throws_female_student_to_ground.html

 

[West Duval Nole]

He's also white which is really the key determinant in these situations

So white people are taught to respect authority figures like police and teachers and blacks are not. That is what you are insinuating and is pretty racist of you.

 

[TC Nole OX]

Shaun King of NYDN has a story posted on the police man's violent past

http://www.nydailynews.com/army-vet...l&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

[TC Nole OX]

So white people are taught to respect authority figures like police and teachers and blacks are not. That is what you are insinuating and is pretty racist of you.

Faux obtuseness. The police treat people differently in similar circumstances based on skin color. The Dylan Root arrest was more of the same

 

[MathisJones]

If "force" was necessary, bear hug her. Pick her up. Drag the chair with her in it into the hallway. Handcuff her to the desk.

The article stated she was verbally disruptive. It didn't mention her murdering someone. She wasn't hurting anyone physically. It's a safe bet she talked wild to the teacher, cursed him out, refused to leave. But he sheriff admits it was verbal.

I don't understand how anyone can watch an enormous man throw a child - no matter how mouthy - to the ground & think "ehhhh" ....

 

[TC Nole OX]

The article stated she was verbally disruptive. It didn't mention her murdering someone. She wasn't hurting anyone physically. It's a safe bet she talked wild to the teacher, cursed him out, refused to leave. But he sheriff admits it was verbal.

In this article, there are quotes from students in the classroom who say the student was quiet, not disruptive and they don't know what she did to be removed from the class

http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slat..._officer_throws_female_student_to_ground.html