Here is the full video. It took the police man less than 30 seconds from the time he first engaged the girl before he assaulted her.
S.C. Police Man Violently Assaults HS Girl
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Here is full speed and then slow motion of the officer assaulting the student. At no time did the girl physically resist
Regardless of whatever led up to the body slam, I think it's safe to say the officer could have dealt with the situation without using such excessive force, given the size and strength difference.
Yet another case of officers using the maximum allowable force rather than the minimum necessary force.
edit: I should it's a goddamn shame the use of force in the video has a good chance of being deemed permissible.
Yet another case of officers using the maximum allowable force rather than the minimum necessary force.
edit: I should it's a goddamn shame the use of force in the video has a good chance of being deemed permissible.
When people break rules they deserve whatever treatment they get from police officers, no matter how unnecessary or excessive.
When police officers break rules, they deserve nothing but our respect, blind support, and possibly a paid vacation.
-police apologist
When police officers break rules, they deserve nothing but our respect, blind support, and possibly a paid vacation.
-police apologist
I don't think it will be actually. This was not even an arrest or a crime. Another good example of thank goodness for cell phone cameras.
I love the police apologist mentality. I suppose if she was Adolph Hitler in disguise who time travelled to the class with a bomb, she would have had it coming. And I provided a solution: Let the school administrators, guidance counselor, and friends handle it if she does not budge when the resource officer talks to her. You think this is the first time in American history a student has refused to leave a class when told by a teacher?!?! LMAO.
It wasn't police apologists, it was not knowing the whole story. And you were the one that used never. Yet now you agree, there may be a scenario where it may gave been warranted. Not necessarily in this case. And again why would you call a resource officer at all then. Just call the counselor. And then what if they also can't get them to get up. And again if they are disrupting class, the teacher should just cancel the class for the day because no one should physically remove a student. Ever. You again provide no steps on proper way to physically remove a student and I even have.
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Unfortunately, given the generally dismal nature of the job, very few of our best and brightest people pursue careers as policemen. Accordingly, nonsense of this nature is inevitable. Sad.
In your closed, simple mind maybe. Again, unless you were there, you have no clue what happened
Just tell me he couldn't have removed her from the classroom in a less violent manner. Can you confidently say that?
You thought my time travelling Hitler scenario was me agreeing there is a scenario?
Yes you came up with an outlandish scenario trying to be funny but you realize the point is there may be some scenario out there that exists albeit small that may allow for the scenario to happen. And I said was it in this case? Maybe not. But just seeing the video doesn't show the whole story like what was going on before the officer was called and what the whole situation was.
Mathis was the only one to offer alternate suggestions that may have worked and been a better solution. Your solution of bringing in others to verbally ask was absurd.
That cop is a total douche. Hooe everyone can at least agree on that.
What would I have done in that situation, not flip the desk over on her head and then throw her 10 feet to the front of the class. That is an option I can confidently say I wouldn't have done.
The kid needs an ass beating. When the teacher says leave, you leave! Her stupidity is equally to blame for this crap.
Tough situation.
What would I have done in that situation, not flip the desk over on her head and then throw her 10 feet to the front of the class. That is an option I can confidently say I wouldn't have done.
The kid needs an ass beating. When the teacher says leave, you leave! Her stupidity is equally to blame for this crap.
Tough situation.
"What would I have done in that situation, not flip the desk over on her head and then throw her 10 feet to the front of the class. That is an option I can confidently say I wouldn't have done. "
Co-freaking rect. Even if physically removing her was necessary, which was not at all clear, one could do it in a more respectful and gentle manner. Modeling. Right?? It's children. What do you teach them? Hell, even with adults, why does the cop feel the need to do this? That white kid that was shot for not getting out of his car and holding a cell phone camera . . . the texas cop shooting a dog. I am starting to think cops should not be allowed to have guns in order to change their mentality.
Co-freaking rect. Even if physically removing her was necessary, which was not at all clear, one could do it in a more respectful and gentle manner. Modeling. Right?? It's children. What do you teach them? Hell, even with adults, why does the cop feel the need to do this? That white kid that was shot for not getting out of his car and holding a cell phone camera . . . the texas cop shooting a dog. I am starting to think cops should not be allowed to have guns in order to change their mentality.
You are being intentionally dense on this one, police apologist that you are. You and your fellow police defenders are trying a red herring argument of some hypothetical justification for this action. Well the "we were not there" is completely blown up by the facts, already available, as of last night, when Deputy Numbnuts boss and Sherriff for the county said this about the video "It's very disturbing what happened today. It's something I have to deal with and that's what we're going to be doing," He also has stated Deputy Numbnuts will not be back at any school, and is already not currently working for the department, pending the results of an investigation. So again, the "we don't know what happened, there may have been a reason for his actions" argument is pure bunk, and police defending at its finest. They already know this was a major screw up and completely inappropriate.
Guess what, there are some in law enforcement folks that are complete idiots at what they do. They don't deserve your benefit of the doubt when you see video like this.
And of course all Law Enforcement don't deserve to be judged by a small percentage of knuckle dragging buffoons either.
The common ground is citizens and law enforcement agencies alike should want to stamp out such behavior and idiocy, and a part of that is admitting the bad behavior exists and not always trying to justify or cover it up.
I'm not sure what's worse, the maximum versus minimum force that was used on this obstinate child, or the impression it gave those others kids in the class.
This is the example police are setting for children. This is what the police are to them.
Much like the thread about the lady pulled over by the cop. Was she rude? Sure. But, how you respond to the rudeness is what impression you give to those observing.
If you want the community to be on your side, then act like you are on their side. Start putting your hand out, not your fist. You might not get the best reaction immediately. But, you can start building a rapport.
And start narcing out your police buddies. We all know that you know who the bad cops are. Be the first to put them on blast. Don't wait for the cell phone video to emerge.
This is the example police are setting for children. This is what the police are to them.
Much like the thread about the lady pulled over by the cop. Was she rude? Sure. But, how you respond to the rudeness is what impression you give to those observing.
If you want the community to be on your side, then act like you are on their side. Start putting your hand out, not your fist. You might not get the best reaction immediately. But, you can start building a rapport.
And start narcing out your police buddies. We all know that you know who the bad cops are. Be the first to put them on blast. Don't wait for the cell phone video to emerge.
Building rapport and asking politely would be quite effective at getting people to obey laws. People breaking the law just need to be asked to stop doing it and they will.
Take away the useless police guns, tazers and batons and replace them with flowers which could be given to people after they agree to stop breaking the law. They could also give hugs.
I read through all your replies, and you still never suggested what do when someone refuses to comply with a law enforcement officer's request.
You seem to mistake police interaction with the interaction you have with your grocer, or your wife, but it's not the same. The latter is a voluntary interaction on both sides. Police are empowered to force people to do things. That's not how you get to act with your grocer, or even you wife.
If you don't understand that police are empowered to force people to do things they will demonstrate it for you.
I disagree. Tanks, paramilitary gear, and lethal force seem to resolving things nice and tidy.
I remember, back in the day, when police--especially school police--reacted to the situation presented and did not instigate. Thus, to answer this question:
First step: Verbally request the child to stand up and walk out.
Second step: Within close proximity, verbally request the child to stand up and walk out. Notifying her that she will be removed if she does not comply.
Third step: (request a second officer-preferably female if available): Grip the child's arm above the elbow, telling her that she needs to leave the classroom at this time. (I would try to reason with her saying that she has made her point, let's talk about it with the principal and her parents. Often, in this situation the child believes that he/she has been wronged by the person in authority and convincing them that they will be able to express their view of the situation to those in greater authority can alleviate the tense situation in the classroom and let the class get back to work)
Things can get dicey at this point: the child could become combative (biting, kicking, etc.) at which the appropriate restraining hold and force should be applied. She could realize the futility of her actions, and agree to leave. She could go stone - at that point probably nothing short of lifting her out of the class while she still seated in her chair is what is done (I have seen two of my friends escorted out of class in this manner)
This is what's wrong with this country. The girl obviously did something she shouldn't have. The cop didn't just walk in and attack her. But nobody mentions that. It's all about the cop and how he reacted. (Not saying he's right or wrong, I don't know.) What I do know is if she hadn't done what ever she did to have him called or gotten her ass up when she was told to, none of that would have happened. But let's go back to bashing the cop and ignoring the lack of respect that the youth of this country have toward authority.
The kid does need a smack. Or two. It's not that she's stupid, she's been in a system since grade 1 where the teachers and counselors wear not one but two pairs of kid gloves and get no support from the "office" if kids are unruly. Kids learn pretty quickly that they are more or less running the show.
How many of you have ever taught school? You simply cannot fathom how difficult it is when even one kid in the room who has not had any sort of parenting comes to school and either will not adhere to classroom rules or lacks the ability to understand that this is school, you are here to learn something, or has an unrecognized disability or home situation that makes it impossible for them to be successful in a setting that has guidelines and parameters.
I taught school. In a very upscale neighborhood. Kids of all colors are equal opportunity disrupters if they have that tendency. It's not their skin color. They simply have no idea or understanding that this is school. Those are books. You and your classmates need to pay attention and you do not have the right to interfere with their opportunity to learn even if you don't want to. Your right to be a screw up ends at the borders of your desk.
This officer likely sees that a lot. Does that mean he should have reacted that way? No. But the fact remains that we don't know her history, her track record, or what led up to this incident. Doesn't excuse it but there are some who have an irrational hate - and actually fear, to be honest about it - for those in authority. A blanket condemnation. I see it differently but respect their right to have an alternative view.
I never saw a kid escorted out of my classroom by a cop growing up. It's not the norm a midst a bunch of white kids and military brats I guess.
I have an older brother, so when some people see her 'flung ten feet across the room' it doesn't seem that severe to me. She wouldn't get out of the chair, he pulled her out of the chair. It's light and moved easily.
I've gotten it much worse from a brother 5 years older and twice my size when I thought I'd try and take the big chair when he left the room. Probably affects my perceptions with regard her suffering.
P.S. My brother didn't go to jail.
He says "come on, I'm going to get you up." I'd like the hear what the teacher has to say since he and the officer were conferring at the beginning of one video and the teacher stays out of the physical confrontation. Some of the kids didn't even flinch. One other girl tries to intervene (on the audio) and the officer asks if she wants to be arrested too. Two female students were arrested, only one was released soon afterwards.
When I was in high school here in Tallahassee you could guarantee this would happen if you didn't cooperate and leave the room when instructed to. I saw much worse.
When I was in high school here in Tallahassee you could guarantee this would happen if you didn't cooperate and leave the room when instructed to. I saw much worse.
Both TC and Runk (and whoever keeps moving their threads here) should be banned for at least a day for spamming our board w/all this police nonsense. While not political or religious it's the precise equivalent in terms of hostile/flaming threads. In short, the vast majority of us don't want this crap here.
Why are they allowed to monopolize so?
Why are they allowed to monopolize so?
I started one thread on a subject that is allowed. I saw a moderator participating in the Georgia Okra police raid thread so obviously the topic is not off limits. If you are bothered with the spamming, take it up with Runk
When did disrupting class, not obeying the teacher and not following direction of law enforcement become acceptable behavior?
Based on what I saw in the video, and what I have to assume based on lack of information, I have no problem with sro's response. If the sro was called to the class, the teacher must have been out of other options. When the student, who already refused to comply with the teacher, then refuses to comply with the sro, their will be consequences to her actions. When she refuses to comply to an officers demands, the officer has no other option but to physically remove her. It would be nice if it would be nice and tidy, but in the real world, physical confrontations don't play out that way. The officer did what he could to quickly get her out of the desk and quickly get her subdued. It's unfortunate it played out this way, but the student had other options.
Quit harshing my anarcho-capitalist vibe with your pig bootlicker comments, bro!
Not shocked that the LR thinks that pulling out a cell phone in class (which is what she did) is worthy of a beating and arrest for (black, non-FSU football playing) schoolchildren.
Not shocked at all. The best and brightest posting here for sure.
Not shocked at all. The best and brightest posting here for sure.
LMAO-why can't anyone see that the real question is "when the hell did dealing with a student disobeying a teacher become a law enforcement thing?"
What's really "wrong with this country" is somehow people support police involvement followed by intervention with violence as an appropriate response to a pouty high school girl disobeying a teacher. People get caught up on her not respecting his authority......but do we really want to live in such a police state that LE's role is expanded to roughing up 100 pound school girls that don't listen to their teacher? Good lord. That is not the role of resource officers.
For the surprisingly high amount of posters here defending, supporting, and/or empathizing with this LE, suggest you may want to look at both the School Board's and Sherriff Department's reactions to what happened. It is very telling as to how wrong his actions were. Maybe talk to cops you may know and see what their thoughts are. The two I talked to think he is an idiot and an embarrassment .
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