Seminole Hard Rock App in trouble
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You would think they already would have cleared this hurdle before launch.
they’ve won a host of legal challenges until tonight.
Cashed out in what I had in there but have a pretty big parlay tonight. Hoping I get that money back it’s not giving me the early cash out option.
I don't understand the people that fight gambling so hard, who cares what someone does with their cash. Burn it for all I care it's yours lol.
Table games…craps particularly…are also swept into this ruling…that sucks.
Can the tribe really just do what they want anyway?They do agreements with Florida but if they pressed the issue could the govt do anything?they are still taking bets as of right now .
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Haven’t read when they will shut it down but it’s still open for now
Who cares what someone does with their cash? The competition. The cruise ships fought the Seminole tribe tooth and nail to not offer anything except bingo originally. Somewhere, the forces wanting to keep them out now is most likely tied to their competition.
Follow the money, cruise ship companies, non compact casinos/parimutuel casinos, Disney, etc are fighting this…
Seminole Tribe appealing order blocking Florida gambling expansion
The tribe continued to collect online wagers through its app Tuesday, defying a federal court decision to halt sports betting, gaming expansion indefinitely.
The Seminole Tribe filed a motion to stay the ruling with the presiding judge. If the motion is granted the ruling will be stayed pending an appeal. The hub-and-spoke model is in question here. The Seminoles argue by having the server on their lands they’re good to go with the app. The judge said no this violates federal law.
I’d recommend cashing out and not making wagers until this motion to stay is granted.
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I’d recommend cashing out and not placing wagers pending this motion to stay the ruling.
The government can absolutely step in and void the sports gambling compact. That’s what this judge just did.
I’m glad I never put money into it. I just downloaded the app a few days ago
Highly doubt hard rock is going to take your money if they have to shut down. Imagine you will still be able to cash out. I opened a live chat in the app and as of now they’re still planning to accept bets, so they’re not yet abiding by this ruling.
The argument that the server is on the reservation therefore the bets should be legal seems like quite a reach to me. Online casinos have been legal in other states such as NJ and NV for a while now and they have strict geolocation to ensure the user is in the correct state. Has nothing to do with the server location.
Of course, it’s absolutely silly (1) for the federal government to be involved in this when our state has approved it, and (2) that sports gambling is illegal at all.
It’s not illegal to use offshore sites like Betonline and Bovada among many others. These sites do not pay anything back to the government, users don’t pay taxes on winnings, and there’s no regulation period around them.
I get the competition wanting to fight this because Florida has basically given the hard rock / Seminole tribe a monopoly on a license to print money, which is probably unfair and a bad deal for all of us.
What would be a better deal is outright legalization of sports betting. You can trade crypto, buy options, flip meme stocks and penny stocks… worse your can buy scratch off lotto tickets that are basically worthless by expected value… and yet sports betting is illegal? Cmon man!
Just like many other things, government needs to stop trying to protect people from themselves. Legalize it across the board. Tax the bookies.
The argument that the server is on the reservation therefore the bets should be legal seems like quite a reach to me. Online casinos have been legal in other states such as NJ and NV for a while now and they have strict geolocation to ensure the user is in the correct state. Has nothing to do with the server location.
Of course, it’s absolutely silly (1) for the federal government to be involved in this when our state has approved it, and (2) that sports gambling is illegal at all.
It’s not illegal to use offshore sites like Betonline and Bovada among many others. These sites do not pay anything back to the government, users don’t pay taxes on winnings, and there’s no regulation period around them.
I get the competition wanting to fight this because Florida has basically given the hard rock / Seminole tribe a monopoly on a license to print money, which is probably unfair and a bad deal for all of us.
What would be a better deal is outright legalization of sports betting. You can trade crypto, buy options, flip meme stocks and penny stocks… worse your can buy scratch off lotto tickets that are basically worthless by expected value… and yet sports betting is illegal? Cmon man!
Just like many other things, government needs to stop trying to protect people from themselves. Legalize it across the board. Tax the bookies.
The state voted, literally over 70% in support of Amendment 3 in 2018 which limited casino and sports gambling in Florida. The litigation that is trying to stop the sports gaming is based on Amendment 3, which they say is an illegal expansion of gambling without voter approval. Personally I think it's silly, but this is what the voters of the state wanted apparently.
The question will turn on whether the Seminole Tribe can do the sports gaming (i.e. new gaming), because Amendment 3 prohibits all the out of state companies or any other companies from doing it unless it is specifically approved by voters.
Florida Amendment 3, Voter Approval of Casino Gambling Initiative (2018)
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politics
It is their land, their app, and their business. let them run it as they see fit. Let the market determine if there is a desire for the product. Let the capitalist flow through you.
Internet gambling has been illegal on the federal level for awhile. Didn’t even understand how hard rock got this far in the first place.
If the servers that handled the wagers were/are on sovereign land, there was nothing the Feds could do….the judge has deemed that it’s impossible that the servers were on sovereign land…I have no idea how she made that determination. We shall see…
The tribe and state made a bad bet that an obvious legal problem could be ignored. I imagine it can be finessed or otherwise resolved but it will take a while.
To me gambling is a fool's game but at this point it surrounds us so whatever. Florida is a long way from the days of blue laws, etc.
To me gambling is a fool's game but at this point it surrounds us so whatever. Florida is a long way from the days of blue laws, etc.
It doesn’t matter where their servers are if customers are placing bets that cause interstate transactions which would be in almost every transaction. Bank transactions usually involve flow of money through different states electronically.
They better find a judge who views it different than this judge then….this was her opinion:
Friedrich concluded that the compact violates the federal Indian Gaming Regulatory Act, which requires that any state-sanctioned gambling must occur on tribal land. Florida’s attempt to claim that sports betting was occurring on Indian lands by having all bets going through a server on tribal property was a “fiction,” she said.
Hmmmmm, then I wonder where the servers are located? Where is she non-fictionally placing the servers?
Hub-and-spoke is the issue. The Seminole tribe thought by having the servers on their land they were good because all wagers flowed through those servers. This judge said no that’s fiction and violates federal law. The bets must take place on their lands not through servers on their land.
If the wheel and spoke is the issue They should move a set of servers off the US coast then…It looks like the Seminole tribe is thumbing their nose at this as we can still get today.
Go ahead and cash out now in my opinion.
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Hard Rock Digital ordered to cease sports betting following Florida court denial
US Judge Dabney L. Friedrich denies Seminole Tribe stay on compact vacation as appeal falls on deaf ears
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Yes it does. I believe betting at the HR casinos will be fine though.
Just put the servers on a cruise ship and anchor it off the coast
Why is a federal court dealing with a Florida amendment?The state voted, literally over 70% in support of Amendment 3 in 2018 which limited casino and sports gambling in Florida. The litigation that is trying to stop the sports gaming is based on Amendment 3, which they say is an illegal expansion of gambling without voter approval. Personally I think it's silly, but this is what the voters of the state wanted apparently.
The question will turn on whether the Seminole Tribe can do the sports gaming (i.e. new gaming), because Amendment 3 prohibits all the out of state companies or any other companies from doing it unless it is specifically approved by voters.
Florida Amendment 3, Voter Approval of Casino Gambling Initiative (2018)
Ballotpedia: The Encyclopedia of American Politicsballotpedia.org
The compact violates the Federal Indian Gaming Regulatory Act per the judge’s opinion.
