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phideltflg

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So I caught some gutless SOB breaking into my house today. Unfortunately, they managed to get away. They didn't get much, but they did get my pistol. I'm considering adding a shotgun for home protection. I know we have a lot of gun guys here, so looking for some good advice. I've owned and shot pistols all my life, but have never owned a shotgun.

Oh, he was also wearing a Gator hat. No lie.


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Add another for the 870...have one 6 feet from my bed....locked of course.
 
Not so much for home defense, but I love to plink around with a .410 single shot. The little Sears branded one we have is so much fun to shoot. Varmints beware!!
 
Damn sorry to hear that. I'm not sure buying another gun is the solution considering they got away with your pistol. Buy a heavy safe. Those bastards can have fun running with 30 pound locked safe they can't get into. Too answer your question....Remington 870.
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I'll toss in the Mossburg 500, it's inexpensive and they sell every aftermarket part for it you could think of.

Did you have your pistol's serial number so that you can put it in the police report, so when it turns up in a murder case they don't come looking for you.

When I moved back to Florida from Colorado one of the movers stole one of my pistols.
 
Originally posted by FreeFlyNole:
I'll toss in the Mossburg 500, it's inexpensive and they sell every aftermarket part for it you could think of.

Did you have your pistol's serial number so that you can put it in the police report, so when it turns up in a murder case they don't come looking for you.

When I moved back to Florida from Colorado one of the movers stole one of my pistols.

Thanks for the advice, fellas.

I did have the serial number, so hopefully it turns up and not associated with someone's murder.

I think the answer is a concealed carry permit so the pistol is with me, not still in the house.

On another note, I can't believe nobody has commented on the fact the dude was wearing a Gator hat. I live in Nashville, so we don't see a lot of those slimy reptiles here.
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Originally posted by billanole:
Not so much for home defense, but I love to plink around with a .410 single shot. The little Sears branded one we have is so much fun to shoot. Varmints beware!!
I also have a single shot sears 410 that I got in 4th grade around 1953. that bugger has sent many an armadillo to the promised land. my only complaint is that I need to remember that it shoots high and not to rush my shot. think the sears brand is jc Higgins but someone told me that back then they were made by stevens.

for the price, the 870 is a good choice. also consider the Remington 1100 in 12ga. a few more dollars but a great gun.
 
The gun they ran off with did not seem to do you any good. Do you think a shotgun would work better?
 
Originally posted by FreeFlyNole:
I'll toss in the Mossburg 500, it's inexpensive and they sell every aftermarket part for it you could think of.

When I moved back to Florida from Colorado one of the movers stole one of my pistols.

Smh. You left something like that in the hands of a mover!? Wtf, I'm disappointed in you!

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I would HIGHLY recommend the Mossberg SA-20 Tactical, which is what I use for teaching our 4 day Tactical Shotgun classes. The Remington 1100 Is great too, But I prefer the SA-20. I load mine with #3 Buck.

I am an instructor at Frontsight, Nevada, and research has shown 20 Gauge to be superior to 12 Gauge for home defense, as well as overall versatility.

From Massad Ayoob:



For the person who wants only one all-around shotgun, I would respectfully suggest a gas-operated semiautomatic 20-gauge. Yes, you'll have to clean it more often, but if you live on a rural homestead, you're already accustomed to taking care of your equipment, and each time you disassemble the gun as per the clearly written factory manual, you'll become that much more familiar with it and, therefore, that much more comfortable with it.

The gas-operated semiautomatic is much softer kicking than any other shotgun type firing the same shell, for the simple reason that its gas-bleed mechanism that runs the firing cycle is diverting that much more impact away from the shooter's shoulder. If you haven't shot different types of shotguns of the same weight with the same shells, you really can't appreciate how much "kick" the gas-operated semiautomatic soaks up with every shot fired.

The standard 2¾" 20-gauge shell, not the more powerful 3" Magnum 20-gauge load that Francis Sell popularized, will send five-eighths of an ounce of lead out of the muzzle at 1400 to 1600 feet per second depending on the load and barrel length you've chosen. If you use a single rifled slug projectile, it will be about .62 caliber in diameter. That translates, basically, to shooting the target twice with a .44 Magnum in the exact same instant. Unless you have to shoot tiny pellets of steel instead of lead at a bird flying half a football field away, that's the kind of firepower that gets the job done.

There are lots of good semiautomatic shotguns out there, chambered for the 20-gauge. My personal favorite is the gas-operated Remington, in the 1100 and 11/87 model series. The standard models come with five-shell capacity, four in the magazine and one more in the firing chamber. They also come with magazine plugs to bring the gun down to the same capacity you would have with that neat little Benelli, one in the launch tube and two more in the magazine. But that's only required for waterfowl hunting, and as we've noted, that's the one downside to choosing a 20-gauge in the time of steel and bismuth shot pellets being required for hunting waterfowl. Google "Brownell's" and you'll find lots of accessories, including extended magazines.

If you're buying a "family shotgun," which might be fired by Dad or Mom, by young Sis or young Bro, I would most strongly urge you to order the shotgun with a "youth stock," designed to fit people of shorter stature with shorter arms. A shotgun with a long "pull," which refers to the distance from gun butt to trigger, will be fine for a tall person with long arms...the sort of person that most guns seem to be built for. With smaller folks, these dimensions require them to lean back to hold the overly-long firearm steady. This takes them off balance for swinging on a moving target like a flying supper-bird, and-most seriously-it makes the gun muzzle jump skyward with the recoil of every shot. This slows shot-to-shot time in delivering accurate hits. That's the difference between a deer getting away or being consigned to the family larder today... and it can be the difference between stopping the second of two home invaders before he can murder the loved one who had to access the shotgun or not.

It is no trick for the larger person to shoot the shorter-stocked shotgun. That person simply pulls it tight into the shoulder and brings their eye closer to the sights. A short-stocked shotgun equals a gun the whole family can use very effectively. A long-stocked shotgun equals a firearm that only the taller, longer-armed members of the household can use with maximum efficiency, especially in an emergency.

It's that simple.


Bottom line

The 20-gauge shotgun, particularly in the gas-operated semiautomatic version, seems to be one of the best-kept secrets in the firearms world. About the only thing it's not very good for anymore, since heavy lead shot was legally forbidden for waterfowl hunting, is the harvesting of high-flying ducks and geese. In big bear country, I might also prefer the bigger slugs of a 12-gauge.

The 20-gauge will always "kick" less than the 12, and it will handle better and faster on quick-moving upland birds. With a buckshot load, the standard 20-gauge shell will fire 20 pellets of #3 buckshot (approximately .25 caliber), which will penetrate to about the same depth at about the same pattern width as the standard 12-gauge "urban load" of #4 buckshot, which comprises 27 pellets (about .23 caliber). The wound paths will be about the same depth and width, and the only difference will be how finely the macerated tissue has been chopped by the projectile paths. "Only the Medical Examiner will know for sure," and then only when he counts the little lead balls recovered from the body, or the white dots on the X-ray of the corpse.

The 20-gauge shotgun. It is offered here for your consideration for the simple reason that it has compelling logic and a strong field history going for it.
 
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Originally posted by phideltflg:

Originally posted by seminole1992:

The gun they ran off with did not seem to do you any good. Do you think a shotgun would work better?

Hence the purchase of a carry permit.

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So, you are going to conceal carry a shotgun? May I recommend a good trenchcoat too?

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Originally posted by Gonolz:
Originally posted by phideltflg:

Originally posted by seminole1992:

The gun they ran off with did not seem to do you any good. Do you think a shotgun would work better?

Hence the purchase of a carry permit.

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So, you are going to conceal carry a shotgun? May I recommend a good trenchcoat too?

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Ha, not exactly what I had in mind, but feels like a good idea right now.
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Originally posted by CC0492:
Originally posted by FreeFlyNole:
I'll toss in the Mossburg 500, it's inexpensive and they sell every aftermarket part for it you could think of.

When I moved back to Florida from Colorado one of the movers stole one of my pistols.

Smh. You left something like that in the hands of a mover!? Wtf, I'm disappointed in you!

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I didn't, I had moved all my guns and about 300bottles of wine into the center of my basement in a big pile, of crates and gun boxes.

The pistol was in the box it originally came in with 2 magazines, unloaded. Along with a few other pistols in an empty wooden wine crate. I know it was there because I normally kept it in a holster, but re-boxed it for the move. I loaded all of that into my wife's SUV the day after the movers had packet the truck, and I personally drove that car strait to Florida. When I got here and unloaded it, the pistol was gone, but the two mags were still there. It had to have been the movers. It was like 9 Mexican dudes loading the truck.

I had a lot of other stuff in the basement that needed to be loaded in the truck, so guys were down there several times unsupervised.

I called the moving company, filed a complaint and a police report, but nothing ever came of it.
 
Originally posted by FreeFlyNole:

Originally posted by CC0492:

Originally posted by FreeFlyNole:
I'll toss in the Mossburg 500, it's inexpensive and they sell every aftermarket part for it you could think of.

When I moved back to Florida from Colorado one of the movers stole one of my pistols.

Smh. You left something like that in the hands of a mover!? Wtf, I'm disappointed in you!


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I didn't, I had moved all my guns and about 300bottles of wine into the center of my basement in a big pile, of crates and gun boxes.

The pistol was in the box it originally came in with 2 magazines, unloaded. Along with a few other pistols in an empty wooden wine crate. I know it was there because I normally kept it in a holster, but re-boxed it for the move. I loaded all of that into my wife's SUV the day after the movers had packet the truck, and I personally drove that car strait to Florida. When I got here and unloaded it, the pistol was gone, but the two mags were still there. It had to have been the movers. It was like 9 Mexican dudes loading the truck.

I had a lot of other stuff in the basement that needed to be loaded in the truck, so guys were down there several times unsupervised.

I called the moving company, filed a complaint and a police report, but nothing ever came of it.
So it was the Mexican movers, I see.
 
I've got a Remington 870 with extended tube. The first 2 shells are #2 buckshot, then 00 buckshot after that.
 
Originally posted by sunset30a:So it was the Mexican movers, I see.
Yep, they were Mexican. I asked. In Spanish of course, they only spoke Spanish. I speak decent Spanish.
 
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