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This happened in World Golf Village. Supposedly they're still investigating what happened but the initial story was the SJSO felt threatened by the guy and he had a huge knife in his hand.
How I imagine it went down.
Concerned Girlfriend to 911 Operator - "My boyfriend is drunk and has a knife and he's threatening to kill himself with it!"
911 Operator to Concerned Girlfriend - "Don't worry we're sending over our best and brightest to make sure everything is ok."
911 Operator to Average LEO - "Perp has a huge knife"
Average LEO to 911 Operator - "Yep, taking him down".
Average LEO to himself in C-Zar from Kroll Show Voice while shooting guns - "Blap Blap Blap Blap Blap"
Average LEO to 911 Operator - "Done"
I have no idea how it went down but the SJSO doesn't have a reputation for being trigger happy. It will be interesting to see what results are produced from their investigation.
YESAverage LEO to himself in C-Zar from Kroll Show Voice while shooting guns - "Blap Blap Blap Blap Blap"
I have no idea how it went down but the SJSO doesn't have a reputation for being trigger happy. It will be interesting to see what results are produced from their investigation.
And interestingly enough, that was the second time in a week that St Johns LEOs killed someone after a woman called in saying the victim was suicidal.
So the real problem here is nosey women.
;p
I'm sure the "investigation" will show they were justified in their use of force from a procedural analysis. The question is whether they could have done things differently if their main objective had been to save his life. I know all the arguments about they can only shoot to kill, these are high stress split second decisions, etc... but if they were confronting someone they loved or even cared about, I'm guessing they might at least contemplate breaking policy and putting one in the thigh.
This wasn’t the first time that law enforcement in the area had been involved in a fatal shooting. One of the two officers that went into Justin Way’s home, Kyle Braig, was involved in a fatal shooting with a knife-wielding man five months ago. A few days after Way was killed, another suicidal man was injured by St Johns County deputies.
On Facebook, Jonas Carballosa, the second deputy involved in the Justin Way shooting, once posted the following quote: “Most people respect the badge. Everyone respects the gun.”
Conclusion: Don't call the cops unless you want deadly force to be the outcome.
Are the fine folks in St. John's going to riot now?
Are the fine folks in St. John's going to riot now?
I'm sure the "investigation" will show they were justified in their use of force from a procedural analysis. The question is whether they could have done things differently if their main objective had been to save his life. I know all the arguments about they can only shoot to kill, these are high stress split second decisions, etc... but if they were confronting someone they loved or even cared about, I'm guessing they might at least contemplate breaking policy and putting one in the thigh.
If their lives are in danger, no they shouldn't just aim and shoot someone in the thigh. They should only be be shooting someone once they determine deadly force is needed. If it is not needed, then they shouldn't be using their gun at all. Use a taser or baton or something else to take the person down if lives are not endangered.
Not all cops are like Mel Gibson in lethal weapon that have pinpoint accuracy with their shots, especially if a suspect is moving and the police officer is under intense pressure.
I believe the legal threshold for using deadly force is when a perp poses a life-threatening risk to the officer or others. Allowing officers to shoot in the leg or to wound would lower that threshold.
It would be a bad idea because it would give the police permission to take that gun out of the holster under many more circumstances and I really don't think we want that. A shoot to wound policy could lead to more unintentional police killings by expanding the range of circumstances in which an officer would be allowed to use their guns.
Like dynamiting fish in a barrel.
That truly seems to be America's prevailing attitude toward mental health -- including the "Merica" boast regarding our prideful lack of empathy for those suffering.in fairness to the police, it's way easier to just shoot a man in his bed than to read a book to try and better understand mental illness and depression. 'Merica!
In Houston, they like to shoot double amputees in their wheelchairs. Of course, no charges because the cops were justified because the DOUBLE AMPUTEE IN A WHEELCHAIR WAS WAIVING A PEN IN A VIOLENT MANNER....
HPD has a long history of being "aggressive"...lots of bodies in the bayous.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/HPD-officer-fatally-shoots-man-in-wheelchair-3885848.php
In Houston, they like to shoot double amputees in their wheelchairs. Of course, no charges because the cops were justified because the DOUBLE AMPUTEE IN A WHEELCHAIR WAS WAIVING A PEN IN A VIOLENT MANNER....
HPD has a long history of being "aggressive"...lots of bodies in the bayous.
http://www.chron.com/news/houston-t...-fatally-shoots-man-in-wheelchair-3885848.php
This is pretty outrageous, but, again, not totally surprising. Cops love to shoot their guns. Doesn't take much to set some of them off. The line between the cops and the criminals is a thin one.
This type of hyperbole is part of the problem. Cops really don't like to shoot their guns, most hate it. This is going to seem like I am trivializing the issue, but I am not. Cops hate paperwork. The amount of crap that an officer has to go through post shooting is prohibitive.
This is anecdotal evidence, but I have spent my life around LEOs. Probably close to 3000 or so that I have had personal contact with. I can count on one hand the number that I have thought "Damn that idiot can't walk and chew bubblegum, how did they get a gun?"
Is this what's really stopping them from popping a few randos? The nuisance of "hey if I shoot this dude, I'm gonna fill out another friggin TPS report, meh."Cops hate paperwork. The amount of crap that an officer has to go through post shooting is prohibitive.