Since the Bud Lite thread got deleted how will we know who won the bet between DFS ad CHALMER? I went in to see what the original bet was and when we could get results but the whole thread was gone. Must be some real spilled milk there. Maybe CHALMER can repost what the bet was so we all can see the results?
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Serious question. The board seems to allow discussion of these topics. Which I enjoy. I mean it’s a message board for crying out loud. It’s not real life or not serious.
I enjoy the back and forth with people who see the world differently than me
I think it’s a situation where some posters can’t help themselves and resort to personal attacks and name calling that causes threads on this subject to be continually locked. I think we all know who’s going to win the wager.
Exactly, I enjoy the debate. However, I wished it didn’t resort to name calling and personal attacks.
Yes I am. However, we are all adults here and should be able to have a discussion. If someone gets out of line then reel them in by calling them out on the thread even if its me. Everyone will know where the line is. I might not agree with some view points but that's the beauty in these things, we get to hear other viewpoints and experiences. A little banter is not bad.
I think these boards are frequently a case study in people who can dish it out and have no hesitancy to do so, but recoil in horror if anybody dares dish it back. Also lots of ginned up/manufactured grievance snowflakery.
And we’re living in a time where “tell it like it is” is what the people want, right? I guess unless they don’t like the “it” in that equation.
As to why the A-B thread got zapped, only a mod could answer that.
It sure does, as long as the observer fully understands the concept of false equivalence.
Agreed. However, I doubt we will get an honest answer as to why it was locked. Objectivity is the key here and it doesn't seem we have that in some cases. Even when there are personal attacks they are weak at best, anyone that takes any of this seriously needs real help on a big leather couch.
I don't read the board too often on the weekends. But that seems to be the time when threads get nuked and posters go on vacations. Many a Monday have I wondered what did I miss.
Tried to do that yesterday. Got got accused of being “childish” and a “jag off”.
I’m not convinced these threads are productive anymore.
One regrettable aspect of that thread being zapped is we didn’t get to hear any of the A-B boycott cheerleaders explain specifically how occasionally seeing somebody’s lived experience you don’t understand or you choose to be offended by (no matter how many others also choose to be offended) is having some “agenda” “forced” down your throat?
That whole notion just seems so comically hyperbolic and yes, weak-minded and full of manufactured grievance, especially coming from people who tend to go on and on about personal freedoms and live-and-let-live.
Nor can anybody explain why the “keep that personal stuff out of my sports and off my TV” only seems to apply to whatever personal stuff they don’t like. Never applies to the religious content or relationship displays or political views they support.
Not the slightest hint of self-awareness or self-deprecating humor about the hypocrisy there.
That’s my “tell it like it is” take, and nobody ever explains any of that in any of these threads, because I doubt they can. Just more “look at A-B’s stock price…lots of others agree with me…”, and if anybody dares to challenge the ranters, it’s always “OMG, that’s a personal insult!”, yada yada baaah baaah, as if that actually explains how they’ve been forced into doing or approving of anything at all.
Yay America!
Go Noles!
That whole notion just seems so comically hyperbolic and yes, weak-minded and full of manufactured grievance, especially coming from people who tend to go on and on about personal freedoms and live-and-let-live.
Nor can anybody explain why the “keep that personal stuff out of my sports and off my TV” only seems to apply to whatever personal stuff they don’t like. Never applies to the religious content or relationship displays or political views they support.
Not the slightest hint of self-awareness or self-deprecating humor about the hypocrisy there.
That’s my “tell it like it is” take, and nobody ever explains any of that in any of these threads, because I doubt they can. Just more “look at A-B’s stock price…lots of others agree with me…”, and if anybody dares to challenge the ranters, it’s always “OMG, that’s a personal insult!”, yada yada baaah baaah, as if that actually explains how they’ve been forced into doing or approving of anything at all.
Yay America!
Go Noles!
Can't speak for everyone. And I've stated multiple times, I gave up drinking long ago so AB's boycott means nothing to me.. But the forced down your throat comes from what many, including myself, view as the LGBTQIA+ being pushed upon kids. Kids who still believe in Santa are going through gender affirmation surgeries. Just like religion is kept out of schools, why is the LGBTQIA+ lifestyle being pushed in schools? And pushed in sports? And I think the Dylan kid and the circus around him (or her/she/they/them etc) rubs people the wrong way. We have a flamboyant gay man front and center, getting invited to the White House, talk shows, etc, and a lot of people including MANY women are turned off by it. Hence the back lash.
I feel the same way when religion and sports mix.. Praying to God after a touchdown or HR always seemed a little fake to me. Hard to explain what I mean, but I've always felt a little weird about religion being in sports. Same goes for politics in sports.. BLM doesn't need to be front and center at my baseball basketball or football games. It has nothing to do with the task at hand
Ok, so I’ll try again to explain this since I’ve now been labeled a “sheep” and ”an A-B boycott cheerleader“ and many other things. I have NOTHING against anyone living their life as they see fit. As long as they are not hurting anyone or breaking any laws they are free to do whatever, with whoever they please. However, what NOBODY has the right to do is to force their beliefs on anyone. It’s absolutely obvious that the majority of society feels this way. The issue with AB, Target, and many others have chosen to intertwine their political/social/religious beliefs within the fabric of their products. Frankly these companies have done it before yet faced little to no financial repercussions. But in my opinion, the financial carnage being seen is because a large majority of society are just done with these issues constantly being forced on them. It’s fine to disagree, but I just don’t understand why some can’t just share their opinion or position without feeling the need to attack those who disagree. We are all Noles on this board yet some can‘t have a cival debate without hurling insults.
That’s Raven-Symone and she’s one of “those”.
Stop forcing your agenda down our throats!
We don’t wanna see that.
There’s not an issue with challenging debate, but why the need for name calling and insults? The hypocrisy on both sides of this issue are glaring. The hypocrisy of both sides is ridiculous in that each side only wants their views expressed. This isn’t on one side of the fence. Boycotts of many right wing companies happen practically daily. Once again, the point of my several posts is that people just want to live their lives and watch their sports WITHOUT having political/social/racial/sexual orientation messages being constantly intertwined. How about we just have something in our lives that’s free of all these issues?
So Target, AB, Chick Fil A can't involve everyone? This is what I don't understand. Is it so offensive to walk by a rainbow display? Target is forcing it down your throat by acknowledging Gay Pride Month? Nobody is forcing you to buy anything from it. Why not include the LGBTQ community in the store. And if Bud Light wants to put a photo of whoever on a can, so what. Don't buy it. What if the Proud Boys were offended by MLK day displays or Black History Month. Do we take those down too?
One freaking person becomes offended by something and we have to change everything. One parent complains about a movie, book or whatever and NOBODY can watch/read it. That's BS. If you don't like something, don't do it. Don't watch it, don't read it, don't abort it, don't drink it, don't buy it. Why does the offended persons opinion matter more than those who are not offended?
What if Jews or Atheist or Muslims are offended by Christmas displays? Should those be taken down as well? Why should all this Jesus stuff be shoved down my throat? The whole thing is ridiculous IMHO.
Americans have become a bunch of wusses. (In general, not calling anyone specific any names)
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Literally choosing either side is going to offend one side. You made my EXACT point. If companies were just neutral and did not push ANY agenda it wouldn’t create any of the controversy. Of Course, the companies are free to do as they wish, but decisions have consequences. I don’t see it as America being a bunch of whatever’s, but obviously more divided than ever. It seems neither side want the others‘ views to be expressed. I could honestly care less about ANYONES political or social views, just don’t push them on me, and I won’t push my views on them. If we could just all agree to not force our views on others we would be in a better spot.
I think that's the whole point. People will be offended and its doesn't matter the subject. The great thing about this country is you can just ignore it. Why take down statues, rename military bases, change pancake mix names ect...? If you don't like it don't buy it. This thread in particular was about Bud Lite and the outsized reaction and subsequent loss in stock value from it. Agree or disagree with it is really irrelevant. My main question is why and what others thoughts are on the why. Why did a picture of a guy presenting himself as a girl on a beer can cause such a stir? Why not the many other pride related stuff? Why did this stick?
@Ohio1nole and @CHAMLER - Before I reply to any of the rest of the many interesting assertions you've packed in here, do you have any actual stats you could share that would support your continued insistence that the "majority of Americans don't want... " and "It’s absolutely obvious that the majority of society feels this way."?
I've lost track of which of you specifically keeps claiming this, but since you both keep agreeing with each other on these claims (with other members of the MAGA-leaning majority on these boards routinely agreeing as well) that "the majority" of society feels this way (as opposed to you feel this way, or maybe the majority of white heterosexuals over the age of X, or the people in your social circle or in your narrow slice of America feel this way)... but NONE of the actual national survey data I've seen supports your "majority of society" claim.
And yes, I can provide plenty of links to credible data that dispute your claims, despite the bizarre reality that providing links to survey data tends to be mocked on here while just pulling stuff outa one's butt is celebrated.
I look forward to reviewing the factual basis for your "It’s absolutely obvious that the majority of society feels this way." Then I'll be happy to address the rest of your grievances. Thanks in advance.
I've lost track of which of you specifically keeps claiming this, but since you both keep agreeing with each other on these claims (with other members of the MAGA-leaning majority on these boards routinely agreeing as well) that "the majority" of society feels this way (as opposed to you feel this way, or maybe the majority of white heterosexuals over the age of X, or the people in your social circle or in your narrow slice of America feel this way)... but NONE of the actual national survey data I've seen supports your "majority of society" claim.
And yes, I can provide plenty of links to credible data that dispute your claims, despite the bizarre reality that providing links to survey data tends to be mocked on here while just pulling stuff outa one's butt is celebrated.
I look forward to reviewing the factual basis for your "It’s absolutely obvious that the majority of society feels this way." Then I'll be happy to address the rest of your grievances. Thanks in advance.
Yes. See AB's current tumble as an example of a lot of society feeling this way lol
You keep failing to directly explain, regardless of who asks, how seeing something you can't relate to or you don't approve of, whether in a store display or on TV or in somebody's Instagram post is having an "agenda forced down your throat"...especially when those instances of representation are no more prevalent than the prevalence of whatever is being represented (even if those %'s don't happen to match up for your narrow slice of this great big and wonderfully diverse nation)... is it because you can't explain your choice of the dramatic "forced" language or simply choose not to?
Your free will that allows you to boycott things and to voice your opinions also allows you to ignore whatever triggers you so.
So you actually meant "a lot" and not "the majority"?
Hopefully you understand the very significant differences there.
BTW, "a lot of society" also still believes the 2020 election was stolen, and that blacks are inferior to whites, females inferior to males, and all kinds of extreme stuff that the majority does not believe.
Yep. That kind of slide doesn't happen from hyperbole or fake outrage.
Between AB and Target they have took almost a $50B hit to market cap.
If you truly think that it takes the "majority of society" to move a stock price or to have a large impact on any number of things, that helps explain why you've voiced so many takes that are difficult to fathom, like that whole "I'm a centrist" thing despite so consistently posting and supporting almost nothing but right-wing views lol.
Cool. You got any data whatsoever that supports your repeated "majority of society" claims?
Bud Light sales chart reveals how much brand has suffered since boycott
The beer brand's revenue continued to be lower than sales during the same period in 2022, following calls for boycott over the Dylan Mulvaney partnership.
www.newsweek.com
Where did majority of society come from? I responded to the tumble in stock and market value. As much as folks want to call this a blip on the radar it clearly has traction.
Are you not actually following the thread and the posts that you read, that you quote and that you Like? Maybe you're just sleep-posting?
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