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No, not that, the one on HBO.

Anyone check it out yet? I think it has some potential, did a good job of creating the world and setting the mood during the pilot.

Never been a fan of Franco, but I thought he was pretty good.

Gyllenhaal is good too, but man she is tough to look at, even topless.
 
Gyllenhaal is good too, but man she is tough to look at, even topless.

I always chuckle during the Dark Knight when Joker sees Gyllenhaal and stops in his tracks, then says "Hello beautiful". All I can think is ...

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No, not that, the one on HBO.

Anyone check it out yet? I think it has some potential, did a good job of creating the world and setting the mood during the pilot.

Never been a fan of Franco, but I thought he was pretty good.

Gyllenhaal is good too, but man she is tough to look at, even topless.

Where did you see the pilot, I didn't think it was out yet
 
Got the pilot on the DVR. Probably check it out this weekend. I like the premise tho.
 
I wanna watch this but something about the 70s has never appealed to me. I'm sure I'll give it a shot if I start hearing good things.

This was my exact reaction. I'll watch shows about just about any decade, but something about the 70's weirds me out and is unappealing.
 
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This was my exact reaction. I'll watch shows about just about any decade, but something about the 70's weirds me out and is unappealing.
Agree with you both but the pilot doesn't seem to be so bad in that regard. Shows the filth and smut of NYC before guiliani cleaned it up.
Now someone go watch the damn show so I have someone to talk to about it!
 
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That's because it's like olden times to you young pups.

Now get off my lawn!

You'd think, and yet I'm good with any other decade in 20th century or earlier. 50's and 60's have their appeal. 80's are are eclectic but interesting. 70's is so grimy, dirty and ugly. I didn't live in the 70's, so basing that off shows and movies of the era.
 
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You'd think, and yet I'm good with any other decade in 20th century or earlier. 50's and 60's have their appeal. 80's are are eclectic but interesting. 70's is so grimy, dirty and ugly. I didn't live in the 70's, so basing that off shows and movies of the era.
I spent my teen years in the 70's and proudly contributed to the grime, dirt and ugliness.
 
I spent my teen years in the 70's and proudly contributed to the grime, dirt and ugliness.

Obviously we are right now in "Peak TV" with tons of choices and really fantastic individual programs in almost every genre. So none of the past periods of tv compare with the last ten years or so.

BUT....pre 2005 or so, the only comedies and to a lesser extent dramas I can stomach to watch now are from the 70s. They took a lot more chances (especially comedy where modern day shows like Louis, Better Things, You're the Worse, etc...) and were not the overly sanitized "family friendly" garbage you got in the 80s and 90s. Sure there might be individual shows like Seinfeld or Friends that can be enjoyed now, I'm talking about the overall programming.

But comedies like All in the Family, MASH, Good Times, Sanford and Son, Taxi, and even tamer stuff like Carol Burnett, Welcome Back Kotter, Threes Company, Mary Tyler Moore, etc... hold up much better than their 80s, 90s and early 00s equivalents imo. I recently tried to watch Season One of Cheers on Netflix and it's literally unwatchably bad. And that's a standout from the era.
 
Agree on Cheers. I tried to go back and watch. I loved it at the time. But it just doesn't seem to hold up. Seinfeld is timeless. I'll laugh at the damn show 20 years from now.
 
Obviously we are right now in "Peak TV" with tons of choices and really fantastic individual programs in almost every genre. So none of the past periods of tv compare with the last ten years or so.

BUT....pre 2005 or so, the only comedies and to a lesser extent dramas I can stomach to watch now are from the 70s. They took a lot more chances (especially comedy where modern day shows like Louis, Better Things, You're the Worse, etc...) and were not the overly sanitized "family friendly" garbage you got in the 80s and 90s. Sure there might be individual shows like Seinfeld or Friends that can be enjoyed now, I'm talking about the overall programming.

But comedies like All in the Family, MASH, Good Times, Sanford and Son, Taxi, and even tamer stuff like Carol Burnett, Welcome Back Kotter, Threes Company, Mary Tyler Moore, etc... hold up much better than their 80s, 90s and early 00s equivalents imo. I recently tried to watch Season One of Cheers on Netflix and it's literally unwatchably bad. And that's a standout from the era.

You lost me at Welcome Back Kotter. That show is excruciating horrible. There may not be a show that holds up less. The jokes are barely jokes...few rise to greeting card level humor.

I agree with your premise about the 1980s though. 1980s television, and even to a large extent movies, were hot trash...nostalgia really warps it. Without the nostalgia factor, very little of 80s TV, and not that much film, is of any value. By comparison, I do believe the 70s is better TV than the 1980s, but mainly because of the trash that was TV in the 1980s. 1970s film of course, is independently excellent.

I really think the "classic TV" of the 50s and 60s is still far better than the 1970s, from a writing, storytelling, acting and joke perspective. However, I understand the "sanitized" factor of that era, and it's fair to credit some of the chance taking and expanded horizons of 1970s TV. I just don't think that it pulled real quality storytelling with it.

I think it is really related to the film success...the 1970s was really when TV became considered an embarrassing bastard stepchild of the movies. There was prestige in TV in the 50s and 60s, but that was gone with the 1970s golden era in film. By the 1970s, almost anyone with artistic aspirations at all would rather fetch coffee on a movie set than be a show-runner on TV. I'm not saying that nothing was good at all on TV, obviously some people were pretty good at their craft, but even a lot of those relatively groundbreaking shows were pretty blech.

The 80s were the worst...film was already pretty much creatively bankrupt, and TV still got the of that talent that was already weak sauce.

And obviously, we are now living in the greatest era of TV since the development of the medium, with talent on-screen and off that easily rivals film.
 
I'd argue TV is better than film right now and it's not close.

I think it's very hard to make a case otherwise today.

I just went to see Wind River. Very good movie (and a pretty tough movie too if you have daughters), but it's basically prestige TV put on the big screen. Could easily have been TV.

It's getting harder to find things that film is doing better than TV. Game of Thrones excepted, film's still got the edge on event extravaganza pictures like superheros and Star Wars, but it's hard to find other things that film is doing better than TV.
 
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You'd think, and yet I'm good with any other decade in 20th century or earlier. 50's and 60's have their appeal. 80's are are eclectic but interesting. 70's is so grimy, dirty and ugly. I didn't live in the 70's, so basing that off shows and movies of the era.
Totally agree with this. Didnt realize it until I read it. Off the top of my head the only 70s era based film that is good is Boogie Nights and the Beastie Boys Sabotage video. Im sure there's a few more, but not many.
 
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Casino, Goodfellas each had major timelines in the 70s off the top of my head.
 
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Casino, Goodfellas each had major timelines in the 70s off the top of my head.

There were certainly good movies in the 70s and being born in 82, most of the movies I watched on TV were on TBS from the 70s (Jaws was always on, actually watching it on Showtime right now).

Here's a lost of top 20 movies from 70s per Ranked.Com. The Godfather takes place in the 40s and 50s, Alien takes place in the future. I think the fact that 70s followed Vietnam probably affected the tone and nature of the films from the period.

The Godfather
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
Taxi Driver
Apocalypse Now
Jaws
Star Wars
The Deer Hunter
A Clockwork Orange
Chinatown
Alien
The Sting
The Exorcist
Dog Day Afternoon
Monty Python and the Holy Grail

Rocky
American Graffiti
The Shining
All the President's Men
Dirty Harry


 
Was the question about movies MADE in the 70s or SET in the 70s?
 
Movies made in the 70s that take place during current period. It's a glimpse into what things were like at the time, for better or worse.
OK this is my last post to you until you watch The Deuce!
 
Watched the pilot after the game last night. Certainly as grimy and dirty portrayal of NYC in the 70s as is always seemingly portrayed in movies of the time.

The story isn't very captivating so far. The pimps and prostitutes stories aren't going to hold my interest, makes my skin crawl with as much detail as they are showing. The places they hang out are disgusting. Certainly not glamorizing that life. Gyllenhaal certainly looks the part of a worn out prostitute, but again not really interested into investing time to see how that story develops.

Franco is doing a fine job as twin brothers but everything else is meh at this point. Unless something compelling happens, I'm done at 1 episode.
 
Watched the pilot after the game last night. Certainly as grimy and dirty portrayal of NYC in the 70s as is always seemingly portrayed in movies of the time.

The story isn't very captivating so far. The pimps and prostitutes stories aren't going to hold my interest, makes my skin crawl with as much detail as they are showing. The places they hang out are disgusting. Certainly not glamorizing that life. Gyllenhaal certainly looks the part of a worn out prostitute, but again not really interested into investing time to see how that story develops.

Franco is doing a fine job as twin brothers but everything else is meh at this point. Unless something compelling happens, I'm done at 1 episode.
I'll give it a couple of more to see if it improves but otherwise agree.
 
I don't know if the show will be good long-term it not, but I think the people working on it got you to feel exactly how you are feeling right now. I haven't seen a story yet, hoping that episode was just to create he universe where the hopefully intriguing story will fit.
 
I'll be honest, the first episode made it look like it's rather easy to pimp.
 
I find it amazing how the 70's is viewed by many as I would say it is easily the best decade for film and music. I think the bad fashion and existence of disco has warped people's view of it.
 
I find it amazing how the 70's is viewed by many as I would say it is easily the best decade for film and music. I think the bad fashion and existence of disco has warped people's view of it.

Agree it's the best for film for sure. Disagree about music, I think the 60s were much better, but to some extent that's taste I guess. I just don't have much taste for 70s soul/funk/disco (much prefer 60s soul/motown), 70s singer/songwriter or soft rock (much prefer 60s folk/folk-rock).

There are several movies set in the 70s that are awesome...Boogie Nights and Goodfellas are among my favorite movies, but there are also a lot of good but not great movies set there as well.

As for great movies made IN the 70s...hell that list is way too long. While there were some awesome years of films in the 40s and 50s, there were so MANY movies made in that era, even if you said there were 40 bonafide classics in the 1950s and in the 1970s, I'd give the nod to the 70s based on percentage alone. But the leap forward in style, process and subject matter in the 70s is the big difference.
 
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