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[LesClaypool]

Some Pitbulls are amazing. I understand there's a lot of fear and ignorance surrounding the breed because most Americans generalize all of them based on the bad ones, which are a minority.

The Pitbulls I have known have been incredible dogs and much better than other breeds because they are very athletic, loyal, and highly intelligent.

I would put a great Pitbull against a great dog of any other breed in terms of ownership benefits.

I don't expect to convince anyone because this is the internet and debating has never convinced anyone of anything

I'm just stating my personal experience.

Is this you?

 

[Lurker1999]

Is this you?

LOL.

No, but I have seen the show. It's interesting to me that people will generalize an entire dog breed without really understanding what they're talking about.

I guarantee the most dedicated Pitbull hater here would change their mind about the breed if they spent a couple days with some of the amazing and friendly Pitbulls I have known.

 

[cfbfan23]

 

[Lurker1999]

I realize you're trolling, but I'm trying to avoid work, so I'll bite.

That article is almost two years old. In addition to the OP's post, here's a story about a pit bull killing a baby earlier in Florida earlier this summer > link.

This is one of many. For every German Shepard/Rotweiller/Dachsund death story, there are 10 pit bull stories.

I'm not trolling at all. You claimed that I couldn't find a story about a German Shepherd attacking a family member so I did and now you claim it's irrelevant because it's two years old, which makes no logical sense.

All I'm claiming is that some Pitbulls are amazing. Some are very dangerous.

It just depends on the individual dog.

 

[Lurker1999]

Alternately...

"...many people raise pitbulls because they are vicious..."

I don't think most Pitbulls are vicious from birth.

I did read a study that the people that own Rottweilers, German Shepherds, and Pitbulls tend to have a higher degree of criminality compared to people that own other breeds of dogs. There's no doubt that Pitbulls have been adopted as the official breed of the ghetto.

If you gave me a Pitbull puppy and allowed me to socialize and raise it I bet I could shape it into an amazing dog.

 

[seminole97]

I'm just stating my personal experience.

In my experience seatbelts in race cars are useless.

 

[Lurker1999]

In my experience seatbelts in race cars are useless.

If you can prove that most Pitbulls bite humans, I'd be willing to read that data.

But, you can't because they don't.

 

[NoleLizards]

 

[seminole97]

If you can prove that most Pitbulls bite humans, I'd be willing to listen.

But, you can't because they don't.

So you’re not willing to ‘listen’ because a majority of pit bulls haven’t attacked yet?

Do you find it remarkable that a breed that makes up less than 1/16th of the dog population is responsible for nearly 3/4ths of human killings by dogs?

Never been hired to spot a problem, have you?

 

[Lurker1999]

So you’re not willing to ‘listen’ because a majority of pit bulls haven’t attacked yet?

Do you find it remarkable that a breed that makes up less than 1/16th of the dog population is responsible for nearly 3/4ths of human killings by dogs?

Never been hired to spot a problem, have you?

Yet? Lol.

I'm simply trying to counter the fear and ignorance that surrounds Pitbulls here in the LR.

Pitbulls are stronger than other dogs and they were bred to fight which is why they are involved in a higher per capita of fatal attacks. They also have bad owners, in many cases.

The type of person that wants to buy a Pitbull isn't the same type of person that wants to buy a chihuahua, generally speaking.

As I stated earlier, Pitbull and German Shepherd and Rottweiler owners tend to have a higher degree of criminality than people that buy other breeds.

Again, my point is that many Pitbulls are amazing and it's not fair to judge the entire breed by the minority that bite.

That's all.

 

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[LesClaypool]

Again, my point is that many Pitbulls are amazing and it's not fair to judge the entire breed by the minority that bite.

I disagree.

It's totally ok. Advisable even.

 

[Lurker1999]

I disagree.

It's totally ok. Advisable even.

You can disagree with facts all you want, but that doesn't make you right.

 

[LesClaypool]

You can disagree with facts all you want, but that doesn't make you right.

Yeah?

Well it makes me have all my fingers and an intact, functioning carotid artery...which is really all I’m after when it comes to dogs.

 

[Lurker1999]

Yeah?

Well it makes me have all my fingers and an intact, functioning carotid artery...which is really all I’m after when it comes to dogs.

You're probably in much more danger from your spouse than you are from any dog.

But, let's not let facts get in your way

 

[BelemNole]

You can disagree with facts all you want, but that doesn't make you right.

What facts have you supplied? You've ignored a lot, but you haven't supplied any.

 

[BelemNole]

Some Pitbulls are amazing. I understand there's a lot of fear and ignorance surrounding the breed because most Americans generalize all of them based on the bad ones, which are a minority.

The Pitbulls I have known have been incredible dogs and much better than other breeds because they are very athletic, loyal, and highly intelligent.

I would put a great Pitbull against a great dog of any other breed in terms of ownership benefits.

I don't expect to convince anyone because this is the internet and debating has never convinced anyone of anything ever

I'm just stating my personal experience.

Fear on our part - which statistics show are justified. Ignorance on your part.

 

[Lurker1999]

What facts have you supplied? You've ignored a lot, but you haven't supplied any.

Many Pitbulls are amazing animals and most Pitbulls do not bite humans.

 

[Lurker1999]

Fear on our part - which statistics show are justified. Ignorance on your part.

The statistics do not show that you need to be scared of dogs.

You're more likely to be hurt in a car accident.

Maybe you should stop driving?

 

[LesClaypool]

The statistics do not show that you need to be scared of dogs.

You're more likely to be hurt in a car accident.

Maybe you should stop driving

Statistics show that you're safer serving in the military than you are living in Chicago...but I'm not looking to do either.

 

[Lurker1999]

Statistics show that you're safer serving in the military than you are living in Chicago...but I'm not looking to do either.

It would depend on which neighborhood of Chicago you lived in.

Wouldn't you agree?

 

[Nolomite]

Yes, if you want an autistic pitbull. Could be fun!

They are known as "Rainbulls"

 

[Nolomite]

It would depend on which neighborhood of Chicago you lived in.

Wouldn't you agree?

It would also depend on which job and posting you held in the military - fool.

I hope the doctor finds all your stupid "wouldn't you agree?" rhetorical questions next time you have a colonoscopy...

 

[Lurker1999]

It would also depend on which job and posting you held in the military - fool.

I hope the doctor finds all your stupid "wouldn't you agree?" rhetorical questions next time you have a colonoscopy...

Of course, it would depend on many factors.

You are proving my point. Thanks for that.

 

[LesClaypool]

It would also depend on which job and posting you held in the military - fool.

I hope the doctor finds all your stupid "wouldn't you agree?" rhetorical questions next time you have a colonoscopy...

 

[Lurker1999]

I'm way too young for a colonoscopy, thankfully

 

[Nolomite]

 

[seminole97]

Again, my point is that many Pitbulls are amazing and it's not fair to judge the entire breed by the minority that bite.
That's all.

Why not?
If a dog is 5x more likely to be involved in a fatal attack, is that a factor that should be ignored?
At what point do you ‘listen’?
10x more likely?
Where do you think pit bulls stand in that regard based on the numbers already provided in this thread?

 

[BelemNole]

Many Pitbulls are amazing animals and most Pitbulls do not bite humans.

Ah...so the issue is that you don't understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. We could start there if you like.

 

[seminole97]

It would depend on which neighborhood of Chicago you lived in.

Wouldn't you agree?

Pit bulls are the Garfield Park of dogs, wouldn’t you agree?

 

[Lurker1999]

Ah...so the issue is that you don't understand the difference between a fact and an opinion. We could start there if you like.

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The fact that I know some amazing Pitbulls is an opinion. That's true.

"Most Pitbulls do not bite humans" is a factual statement. If you can disprove that, I'd be willing to listen.

If you can also prove that dogs are more of a threat to you than cars are, I'd be willing to listen to that as well.

 

[Fijimn]

Most Pitbulls do not bite humans is a factual statement. If you can disprove that, I'd be willing to listen.

If you can also prove that dogs are more of a threat to you than car accidents, I'd be willing to listen to that as well

When did creating a straw man pass for actual debate?

 

[BelemNole]

Most Pitbulls do not bite humans is a fact. If you can disprove that, I'd be willing to listen.

If you can also prove that dogs are more of a threat to you than car accidents, I'd be willing to listen to that as well.

No, YOU were asked to prove facts. You haven't. You were presented with valid statistics that you've ignored. You've made some dubious statements that are generic enough that they are probably unproveable either way, but you've provided no facts.
We get it, you feel cool owning a dangerous dog. That doesn't change the fact that they're a dangerous breed and only owned by people who are bad at statistics and risk assessment.

 

[Lurker1999]

Why not?
If a dog is 5x more likely to be involved in a fatal attack, is that a factor that should be ignored?
At what point do you ‘listen’?
10x more likely?
Where do you think pit bulls stand in that regard based on the numbers already provided in this thread?

Because it's not logical to judge an entire breed based on a few.

It would be like me judging an entire race because that race may have a higher percentage of people in prison. That would be racism and would not be right.

 

[Lurker1999]

No, YOU were asked to prove facts. You haven't. You were presented with valid statistics that you've ignored. You've made some dubious statements that are generic enough that they are probably unproveable either way, but you've provided no facts.
We get it, you feel cool owning a dangerous dog. That doesn't change the fact that they're a dangerous breed and only owned by people who are bad at statistics and risk assessment.

I haven't ignored any statistics. I'm merely trying to explain them. Not all pitbulls are evil killing machines. That's a fact.

Some studies show that Pitbulls are less aggressive than Chihuahuas.

Facts:

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/09/pit-bulls-are-chiller-than-chihuahuas/500558/

Now, you can continue to demonize an entire breed because of the stories you read in the newspaper, be my guest, but that wouldn't be logical or fair.

For the record, I don't own any dogs.

 

[seminole97]

Because it's not logical to judge an entire breed based on a few.

It’s not logical to judge a breed based simply on your personal experience, but it is logical to judge a breed based measurable things like population and fatal attacks. From this a logical person can deduce the varying threat presented by different breeds.
You don’t like the conclusion, but that doesn’t make it illogical.

 

[Lurker1999]

It’s not logical to judge a breed based simply on your personal experience, but it is logical to judge a breed based measurable things like population and fatal attacks. From this a logical person can deduce the varying threat presented by different breeds.
You don’t like the conclusion, but that doesn’t make it illogical.

I have never disputed that conclusion, I just claim it's illogical to judge all or most of a breed based on the actions of a few.

Again, if anyone can prove that most Pitbulls bite humans, that would change my mind.

 

[seminole97]

Some studies show that Pitbulls are less aggressive than Chihuahuas.

If Chihuahuas were the size of pit bulls and demonstrated the same tremendous outlier with regard to deaths responsible for, do you think public opinion of them would be the same?

 

[Lurker1999]

If Chihuahuas were the size of pit bulls and demonstrated the same tremendous outlier with regard to deaths responsible for, do you think public opinion of them would be the same?

I don't know. I think many people's opinions on pit bulls are based on what they read in the newspaper. They judge the entire breed based on some bad apples.

 

[seminole97]

Again, if anyone can prove that most Pitbulls bite humans, that would change my mind.

Why must it a majority?
If 47% of pit bulls bit humans would you still be cool with them?
The vast majority of dog breeds aren’t killing anyone, at all!
And yet you insist we don’t have a problem unless HALF of the breed in question is engaged in mauling people.
The rest of us simply have a much lower threshold than that.

I reiterate: 1/16th of dog population represented by a breed responsible for 75% of fatalities, and you literally see nothing notable in that?
What would raise an eyebrow? 90%