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To Cheer or Not to Cheer...that is the question

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School official presses charges for cheering at graduation

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — Ursula Miller knew that when she shouted her niece's name after she received her diploma at a north Mississippi high school graduation, she would probably be asked to leave the arena.


But she never expected Senatobia school district Superintendent Jay Foster, who instructed spectators to hold their cheers until after all students graduated, would file criminal charges against her.

Miller, a resident of the 8,000-person town 30 miles south of Memphis, Tennessee, is one of three people facing misdemeanor charges of disturbing the peace following the May 21 Senatobia High School graduation.

"I understood as a consequence I was going to be escorted out of the graduation, but no one told me there were going to be criminal charges against me," Miller, 45, told The Associated Press in a telephone interview Wednesday.

Foster didn't respond to requests for comment Tuesday from the AP. He told The Clarion-Ledger newspaper that the behavior showed disrespect to other graduates.

"I did go and sign papers on them for disturbing the peace," he said. "My point is not to have somebody have to pay money, but I want them to know there are consequences for their behavior, and I want us to have a dignified service."

Zabe Davis, the police chief at Northwest Mississippi Community College, which hosted the graduation, said Foster swore out charges against three people. Miller said a constable served her with the charges Monday morning at home. Pending in Tate County Justice Court, they carry a fine of up to $500 and a sentence of up to six months in jail. Miller said she's supposed to appear in court Tuesday.

Foster said he's worked to dignify graduations, stopping outbursts of cheering that prevent other student from hearing their own names. He said one student flinched last month when the cheering broke the silence.

"The look on her face when she was coming across the stage just reminded me, this is about the kids," he said. "So many things these days, if I had to sum it up in a few words, it's all about me. But this is not. This is about the graduates."

But Miller said she was only trying to celebrate her niece's achievement.

"That's what we do in our family, is we celebrate this occasion," Miller said. "She deserved that cheer and I would do it again."
 
I don't mind the one quick "WOOO!" from each family as their son/daughter's name gets called, but it seems like a lot of people feel that they have to out-do each other in order to prove that they love their family member more than any other family that's there loves their family member. It turns into a contest to show who can be the loudest/longest, therefore obviously loving their graduate the most. It's BS, it's rude, and it keeps subsequent families from being able to hear their kid's name get called.

If that's what happened in this case, and the school seems to have gone out of their way to discourage it, then I don't think I have too much problem with it. I know they could have removed the family from the ceremony, but at that point they're kid's already walked across, so they aren't going to care, and it just causes a disruption for everyone else still there. Maybe giving them a citation would be sufficient - being "served with charges" and having to appear in court seems like something that should be associated with more serious crimes than cheering to loud/long.
 
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I don't have a problem with people cheering at graduation ceremonies but I see how it could be a nuisance when people go overboard. I have no problem with escorting people out if they break the rules but charging them with a crime is ridiculous. It's not that serious of an offense IMO.
 
At my oldest graduation, we got a laundry list of prohibitive behavior and, if I recall correctly, any violation could affect your child's ability to get the diploma.
 
I don't mind the one quick "WOOO!" from each family as their son/daughter's name gets called, but it seems like a lot of people feel that they have to out-do each other in order to prove that they love their family member more than any other family that's there loves their family member. It turns into a contest to show who can be the loudest/longest, therefore obviously loving their graduate the most. It's BS, it's rude, and it keeps subsequent families from being able to hear their kid's name get called.

If that's what happened in this case, and the school seems to have gone out of their way to discourage it, then I don't think I have too much problem with it. I know they could have removed the family from the ceremony, but at that point they're kid's already walked across, so they aren't going to care, and it just causes a disruption for everyone else still there. Maybe giving them a citation would be sufficient - being "served with charges" and having to appear in court seems like something that should be associated with more serious crimes than cheering to loud/long.
You're getting to be so cute...
 
I don't have a problem with people cheering at graduation ceremonies but I see how it could be a nuisance when people go overboard. I have no problem with escorting people out if they break the rules but charging them with a crime is ridiculous. It's not that serious of an offense IMO.

The problem, though, is that tossing them at that point simply creates further disruption. Once their kid/family member has been called they don't give a damn if they get tossed. Hell, I might do it so I WOULD get tossed so I don't have to sit through the rest of the ceremony. You can very clearly tell by that lady's comments that she didn't care about getting thrown out, she was damn well gonna do as she pleased.
They should probably have shot her.
 
Let's see: we have ISIS threatening our safety. More social and economic problems domestically than anyone can shake a stick at. Yeah, let's commit some time/resources to prosecuting people yelling at graduation ceremonies. Makes sense.
 
Some of these graduating classes are huge 1,000 plus. And just announcing the names without cheers takes a pretty long time. If they spaced out the names to allow for every name announced to have cheering and shouting after to say just 5 seconds between names said that extends the ceremony another hour or so. And if given 5 seconds there will be that person that tries to outdo it thinking it's funny and cute and go over the 5 seconds not caring about the person's name they are shouting over. That being said if they are going to arrest and/or fine the person for doing the shouting they should announce it at the beginning before they start reading the names and also have it written in the program and any other documentation sent about the graduation and also let the graduates know to advise anyone that is attending of the fine/arrest.
 
Let's see: we have ISIS threatening our safety. More social and economic problems domestically than anyone can shake a stick at. Yeah, let's commit some time/resources to prosecuting people yelling at graduation ceremonies. Makes sense.

While, I get your premise, I certainly hope we don't apply that logic to other areas. For example: Let's see: we have ISIS threatening our safety. More social and economic problems domestically than anyone can shake a stick at. Yeah, let's commit some time/resources to prosecuting people shoplifting a t-shirt [speeding 8 miles over the limit, cheating on their taxes, etc.]

Within the confines of the situation itself...schools have graduations and these graduations can be VERY long...there needs to be some ground-rules. Period.

That said, I agree with the poster who said lay everything out in the program and make an announcement prior to the ceremony. Nothing wrong with, "Listen folks (all 10,000 family and friends...ya, San Antonio graduations are that big), this ceremony is going to be long enough with simply calling names. If you insist on extending our time here by hoop'n and holler'n, despite us requesting you refrain, then you can enjoy some time down-town with one of our fine officers."

This particular person literally said, I don't care what you've asked of me, I'm going to do what I want...which translates to, screw everyone else, ESPECIALLY the graduate (and his/her family) that immediately followed the person I love so much that I can't contain myself. Imagine if everyone did that.

(but, yes, compared to world events, this isn't even a blip on the radar...I agree with you there)
 
Sure it can be annoying when some folks break the rules and cheer....but come on, there is no possible justification for arresting folks for this act. Seems pretty racial too. Though I am sure someone here will try to argue if they were white and had money the same outcome would have happened....
 
Sure it can be annoying when some folks break the rules and cheer....but come on, there is no possible justification for arresting folks for this act. Seems pretty racial too. Though I am sure someone here will try to argue if they were white and had money the same outcome would have happened....

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Sure it can be annoying when some folks break the rules and cheer....but come on, there is no possible justification for arresting folks for this act. Seems pretty racial too. Though I am sure someone here will try to argue if they were white and had money the same outcome would have happened....

It is Mississippi, so it wouldn't surprise me. But i didn't see the race listed and it said 3 people got the same charge. Were they all the same race?
 
I had heard that but further research on the interwebs indicates it was not the case and one person arrested was white. Still ridiculous overreach.
 
Let's see: we have ISIS threatening our safety. More social and economic problems domestically than anyone can shake a stick at. Yeah, let's commit some time/resources to prosecuting people yelling at graduation ceremonies. Makes sense.
Somehow I don't think that the Northwest Mississippi Community College police department would be fighting ISIS or solving either social or economic problems if they weren't otherwise occupied with arresting overenthusiastic celebrators.
 
Sure it can be annoying when some folks break the rules and cheer....but come on, there is no possible justification for arresting folks for this act. Seems pretty racial too. Though I am sure someone here will try to argue if they were white and had money the same outcome would have happened....

We snap our fingers, as was the way at Harvard. Air horns are not permitted at Bushwood, sir.
 
Let's just go to "virtual graduations," and do away with these antiquated (and now controversial) productions. Through digital imagery we can create electronic replicas of the graduates, the dignitaries, etc. No one actually/physically comes together as a group, and, instead, the whole thing is just electronically simulated (i.e., like the reenactment of a car accident, etc.). You (and designated guests/family members) are emailed a discrete clip of your simulated "ceremony," and then all of you can go bat**** crazy as you wish (either in the comfort of your home, or while speeding down the interstate while checking your cell phone). No need to sit through anyone else's "time," and you can watch "your ceremony" over and over again if you wish. Great way to include elderly shut-in relatives and those living in distant lands.

Why not?? A large segment of the "education" is now provided on-line anyway. Hell, let's just do the whole thing via computer.
 
I read another article where one of those "arrested" knew they would be in trouble for cheering and did it anyway. They thought it just meant being escorted out, not charges pressed. They were willing to make an ass out of themselves, then get escorted out because their graduate had already walked.

I have been a high school teacher/administrator and have witnessed first hand how idiots act in these situations. It may seem a bit extreme to some, but I totally agree with the Superintendent's decision in this case. There are a percentage of people in society who just don't get it, and until you back up what you say you are going to do, they won't change their behavior.

People shouting and acting like idiots without a doubt takes away from a ceremony that is supposed to be formal. It's about honoring the graduates, not seeing who can yell the loudest or sound a bullhorn. I would be willing to bet that next year no one makes a peep unless it is appropriate, which is how it should be.
 
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As long as it is mentioned ahead of time that charges will be pressed, I have no problem with it. I have a problem with a few idiots imposing inconvenience on thousands. I just generally have a problem with people who refuse to play by the rules, IF those rules are voluntary by participation, and are for the benefit of all (finishing graduation in less than four hours).

It's not like they were being forced to go to graduation, they could have stayed home if they didn't want to play by the rules set out.

That said, just went to my daughter's graduation of 600+, and everyone just giving a quick cheer after the name certainly didn't slow anything down. It's the only graduation I've been to in 25 years, so I guess I don't know how it can be abused but I wouldn't have guessed this was a problem.
 
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