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Seems like a lot of train derailments recently. One last night in Minnesota, another yesterday in PA and one Sunday near Chicago. Infrastructure problem? Sabotage trying to disrupt the supply chain? Train companies safety issues? Thoughts?

Please lets not go political for once.
 
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Not go political? Then you suggested 3 options, all of which would have to be corrected by the government?

Who you kidding?
 
Seems like a lot of train derailments recently. One last night in Minnesota, another yesterday in PA and one Sunday near Chicago. Infrastructure problem? Sabotage trying to disrupt the supply chain? Train companies safety issues? Thoughts?

Please lets not go political for once.
“Seems” that way, for sure. But is the media now fixated on this? Or have these things been happening all the while with little or no fanfare?

No clue. But if I had to guess, I would say that railroad maintenance and repair is likely being neglected to compensate for price hikes on everything else.
 
The magnitude of the East Palestine derailment brought attention to a situation that has been with us for years. I imagine the light will soon fade on them again.

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The magnitude of the East Palestine derailment brought attention to a situation that has been with us for years. I imagine the light will soon fade on them again.

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This is what I was thinking as well in combination with the maintenance and repair FWTS suggests. Its no secret roads, bridges, tracks etc. have exceeded their maintenance and update intervals all over the country. This has been going on for a number of years so it cant be pinned on one admin or the other.

DOT was correct in that rail safety has improved since 2019 according to your data. I wonder what the total so far for this year is.
 
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I think there's a massive infrastructure problem in the U.S.
To say the least. I was on a commuter train into NYC that derailed as it was going into the tunnel. That was freaky. We at least made it to the tunnel before we completely went over. We knew what was going on. I looked at the Japanese passengers and just did what they did. I figured they knew.

But it was cited as an infrastructure problem, and they began track repair, particularly on the New Haven line of Metro North.
 
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Infrastructure across the US is an enormous issue that we might not be fully aware of because the maintenance is often a state issue. Roads and bridges especially and we in Florida know this - but we aren’t necessarily aware of conditions in say Kansas or Idaho or any other state until we take a trip by auto.
Many of us have likely seen articles informing us of the huge number of bridges that fail safety inspections yet aren’t budgeted for repair for years.
It’s the same with rails. DFS has posted an important graphic showing how common derailments are. In years past trains hauling dangerous cargo were accepted because that’s just how they got things moved. Either chemicals move on trains or in long haul trucks which is rare due to restrictions or cost. Population growth means they go through previously rural areas that are now suburbs.
Few choices per rail transport.
But highways and bridges must be maintained. Funded by gas taxes but when EV’s mandated by states take over how do they get funded? A Tesla needs a Highway too.
 
Infrastructure across the US is an enormous issue that we might not be fully aware of because the maintenance is often a state issue. Roads and bridges especially and we in Florida know this - but we aren’t necessarily aware of conditions in say Kansas or Idaho or any other state until we take a trip by auto.
Many of us have likely seen articles informing us of the huge number of bridges that fail safety inspections yet aren’t budgeted for repair for years.
It’s the same with rails. DFS has posted an important graphic showing how common derailments are. In years past trains hauling dangerous cargo were accepted because that’s just how they got things moved. Either chemicals move on trains or in long haul trucks which is rare due to restrictions or cost. Population growth means they go through previously rural areas that are now suburbs.
Few choices per rail transport.
But highways and bridges must be maintained. Funded by gas taxes but when EV’s mandated by states take over how do they get funded? A Tesla needs a Highway too.
These are the hidden costs of EV's. Once EV's become prevalent there will be a tax on the charging just like on gas. Even though many EV owners don't pay for charging now they will in the future and rest assured the price wont be cheaper than gas once all those taxes are added in.
 
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These are the hidden costs of EV's. Once EV's become prevalent there will be a tax on the charging just like on gas. Even though many EV owners don't pay for charging now they will in the future and rest assured the price wont be cheaper than gas once all those taxes are added in.
Does anyone remember those old AT&T bills? There were so many taxes added on. I remember my brother would subtract the tax that he called a war tax. I doubt that lasted very long though.
 
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Infrastructure across the US is an enormous issue that we might not be fully aware of because the maintenance is often a state issue. Roads and bridges especially and we in Florida know this - but we aren’t necessarily aware of conditions in say Kansas or Idaho or any other state until we take a trip by auto.
Many of us have likely seen articles informing us of the huge number of bridges that fail safety inspections yet aren’t budgeted for repair for years.
It’s the same with rails. DFS has posted an important graphic showing how common derailments are. In years past trains hauling dangerous cargo were accepted because that’s just how they got things moved. Either chemicals move on trains or in long haul trucks which is rare due to restrictions or cost. Population growth means they go through previously rural areas that are now suburbs.
Few choices per rail transport.
But highways and bridges must be maintained. Funded by gas taxes but when EV’s mandated by states take over how do they get funded? A Tesla needs a Highway too.
For some uncanny reason, this post kinda reminds me of the song, "Bridge over Troubled Water."
BTW, are you a member of the Yankee Doodle Railway?
Dr. Richard Kimbell
The Fugitive
 
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These are the hidden costs of EV's. Once EV's become prevalent there will be a tax on the charging just like on gas. Even though many EV owners don't pay for charging now they will in the future and rest assured the price wont be cheaper than gas once all those taxes are added in.
They will be taxed every year when they renew their tags too. Probably by weight. A Hummer EV pickup weighs 10,000 lbs.
 
I've got a friend that works with EV's. I'll ask him when I see him what they speculate about the taxing. BTW, he drove a Tesla from LA to Montreal to Tallahassee. No problem with charging stations.
 
I've got a friend that works with EV's. I'll ask him when I see him what they speculate about the taxing. BTW, he drove a Tesla from LA to Montreal to Tallahassee. No problem with charging stations.
Currently there’s ONE charging station on I-10 between Jax and Tally. All specific to Teslas.
It’s my understanding that they’re not universal to other EV’s, so more are needed.
And the other issue is that they’re driven on highways where gas taxes are used to maintain those roads. No such taxes collected from them. Something will need to be figured out.
 
Currently there’s ONE charging station on I-10 between Jax and Tally. All specific to Teslas.
It’s my understanding that they’re not universal to other EV’s, so more are needed.
And the other issue is that they’re driven on highways where gas taxes are used to maintain those roads. No such taxes collected from them. Something will need to be figured out.
Actually, you just need an adapter. https://www.motorbiscuit.com/can-non-tesla-electric-vehicles-charge-tesla-charging-stations/
 
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I've got a friend that works with EV's. I'll ask him when I see him what they speculate about the taxing. BTW, he drove a Tesla from LA to Montreal to Tallahassee. No problem with charging stations.
There's articles out there about road trips in EV's with differing levels of success. All do take longer as opposed to a gas vehicle and lots of planning is involved. On story said it took them 4 days and 12 stops to get from Michigan to Florida.
 
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That’s good to know!
Still the revenue/maintenance issue which I don’t doubt will be addressed sooner rather than later.
The main thing is the batteries. Most are warrantied to hold a 70% charge for 8 years or 100k miles or so. That's not bad but what if you wanted to keep the car? Batteries have a fairly set lifespan so they will only get x number of charges until they are unreliable or don't hold enough charge to be useful (see phone batteries) . At an average of 15k to replace you would be forced to trade in prior to the battery going bad. I could see this impacting the secondary market and making used models less desirable. Not an expert on EV's but just stuff I think about.
 
The main thing is the batteries. Most are warrantied to hold a 70% charge for 8 years or 100k miles or so. That's not bad but what if you wanted to keep the car? Batteries have a fairly set lifespan so they will only get x number of charges until they are unreliable or don't hold enough charge to be useful (see phone batteries) . At an average of 15k to replace you would be forced to trade in prior to the battery going bad. I could see this impacting the secondary market and making used models less desirable. Not an expert on EV's but just stuff I think about.
All good information.

Batteries are the main reason we never considered a Prius, but the Tesla is different, and now other EV's are getting really good.

If you ever have the opportunity to drive a Tesla, I highly recommend it. It's an amazing car to drive. Not as much fun as a BMW, but very cool.

If it were not for calcium chloride, I'd still be driving a 2001 X5, except for the color it was.
 
Infrastructure across the US is an enormous issue that we might not be fully aware of because the maintenance is often a state issue. Roads and bridges especially and we in Florida know this - but we aren’t necessarily aware of conditions in say Kansas or Idaho or any other state until we take a trip by auto.
Many of us have likely seen articles informing us of the huge number of bridges that fail safety inspections yet aren’t budgeted for repair for years.
It’s the same with rails. DFS has posted an important graphic showing how common derailments are. In years past trains hauling dangerous cargo were accepted because that’s just how they got things moved. Either chemicals move on trains or in long haul trucks which is rare due to restrictions or cost. Population growth means they go through previously rural areas that are now suburbs.
Few choices per rail transport.
But highways and bridges must be maintained. Funded by gas taxes but when EV’s mandated by states take over how do they get funded? A Tesla needs a Highway too.
Look at the “infrastructure” in Florida. Population steadily growing for decades, but no concomitant expansion of our roads, schools, and other basic facilities. Politicians wanted to keep taxes low, and then beat their chests about “fiscal responsibility.” Now with 23,000,000+ people here, our roads are routinely gridlocked and our K-12 public schools are a disaster.

Did we really “save” any money? LOL.
 
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In my family, we have had at least six Priuses, including several that made it past 200K miles, without ever needing to replace a battery. Currently, we also have a couple of Teslas that are over 100K miles with no battery issues. Personally, I have a BMW hybrid that just hit 10 years old with no notable battery issues. My SiL has a plug-in 330e and loves it: also no battery issues, though her car is much newer. My planned replacement is a BMW i4, which will be my first foray into all electric. I know several people with i3s who have had no complaints, so I feel good about jumping into that segment. My partner settled on an old school X3 after strongly considering the Teslas and a few other hybrid SUVs.
No F-150s?
 
The main thing is the batteries. Most are warrantied to hold a 70% charge for 8 years or 100k miles or so. That's not bad but what if you wanted to keep the car? Batteries have a fairly set lifespan so they will only get x number of charges until they are unreliable or don't hold enough charge to be useful (see phone batteries) . At an average of 15k to replace you would be forced to trade in prior to the battery going bad. I could see this impacting the secondary market and making used models less desirable. Not an expert on EV's but just stuff I think about.
Or you could do what Rich Rebuilds did on Youtube and drop a small block Chevy in to a Tesla Model S and call it ICE-T. Complicated but it's a cool car. He took it to SEMA.
 
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The price tag on trucks are ridiculous. My daughter and SiL are looking at trucks to pull their 5th wheel. Some are six figures.
Car Nax has quite a few for around 50k but you could spend 100k if you want to.
 
All good information.

Batteries are the main reason we never considered a Prius, but the Tesla is different, and now other EV's are getting really good.

If you ever have the opportunity to drive a Tesla, I highly recommend it. It's an amazing car to drive. Not as much fun as a BMW, but very cool.

If it were not for calcium chloride, I'd still be driving a 2001 X5, except for the color it was.
I test drove one along with a iX. Both very cool but I stuck with the X6.
 
The price tag on trucks are ridiculous. My daughter and SiL are looking at trucks to pull their 5th wheel. Some are six figures.
5th wheels really should be pulled by a duelly (sp).
Frankly when I worked at the dealership one of the common sales were duellys bought by Ford and Chevy truck guys getting a Ram Hemi.
 
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Regarding infrastructure. It has been a problem since I moved to NY in the '80's. Remember Senator Pothole? Alfonse D'Amato? NY subways are the oldest in the country. And the train derailment happened before 1995. Walking through the barely lit tunnel was creepy and weird, as you saw the maze of tunnels below Grand Central.

*Edit. Adding, that picture stayed in my brain because I realized how vulnerable GCS was in terms of a terrorist attack after the first attempted bombing of WTC.
 
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5th wheels really should be pulled by a duelly (sp).
Frankly when I worked at the dealership one of the common sales were duellys bought by Ford and Chevy truck guys getting a Ram Hemi.
They have a 3/4 ton Cummings diesel Ram now even though the 40' 5th wheel they have is actually rated to be pulled by a 1/2 ton. The new 5th wheel they're looking at is heavier so they're looking at 1 tons.
 
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5th wheels really should be pulled by a duelly (sp).
Frankly when I worked at the dealership one of the common sales were duellys bought by Ford and Chevy truck guys getting a Ram Hemi.
All 3 of those truck brands have their respective pros and cons. But that Ram 350 is a towing machine, for sure.
 
They have a 3/4 ton Cummings diesel Ram now even though the 40' 5th wheel they have is actually rated to be pulled by a 1/2 ton. The new 5th wheel they're looking at is heavier so they're looking at 1 tons.
What 40' 5th wheel can be safely towed by a 1/2 ton pickup.
 
5th wheels really should be pulled by a duelly (sp).
Frankly when I worked at the dealership one of the common sales were duellys bought by Ford and Chevy truck guys getting a Ram Hemi.
I will make a note of that.
 
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That’s good to know!
Still the revenue/maintenance issue which I don’t doubt will be addressed sooner rather than later.
I'd sooner be at the spring game in a couple of weeks. I wonder if there will be gentler, kinder beer prices.
 
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