Would anyone be interested in a pro-Jameis documentary?

[Virgil_Starkwell]

i may have some work for you, any interest just email me garyval3@aol.com and yes its a nice idea

 

[Ohio1nole]

Count me in as one that would be for this documentary.
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[Jake Blank]

One of the strongest points that could be made in something like this would be the recent Rolling Stone fiasco about the UVA rape scandal.
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[cinemanole]

Originally posted by Grizzlynole:

Originally posted by cinemanole:

Originally posted by DB1Nole:
I would like to help you! Help you produce it, help you finance it, help you market it. Received my Business Marketing degree from FSU back in 2001 and have read in depth about Winston beginning from his Junior year in HS to now.

I like where your going with it mixing it in with other false claims (Duke Lacrosse, UVA non scandle). There are many versions of her story to point out and only one version of Winston's. Let me know if you will need any help, this is something I believe in. I had a buddy from HS spend 90 days in jail on false claims by a woman. She claimed he tried to kill her when in fact she beat up herself. It took him being in Biloxi with an ankle tracker on for them to finally believe him. She said he tried to kill her again in Orlando when he was in Biloxi. She later admitted she lied and was deported.

I would love as much help as I can get. As someone who went to Film School, having someone on my team who understands business is critical.

Heck, your friend might be a great starting point for making a trailer with which to turn around and generate more funding. Think of how powerful it would be to talk to his Mom. Think of how captivating it would be to track her down and try and get her to talk about it on camera.

Shoot me an email - jeff@keyframepictures.com

Everyone reading this thread is potentially joining the start of something really powerful. It's something that is in its infancy... just a kernel in my mind that began last fall when I began to get upset about unfair media coverage. But, I'm sure we've all heard stories of things that have really taken off with less.

Cinemanole, I too like where this is going, I would like to see a counter-documentary that tells the TRUTH as you say, regardless of that that truth turns out to be. But my first question would be, why wouldn't Warchant.com help to finance this project? All of us support them and keep them in business----why wouldn't they support what we want to see happen? I too would be willing to support the project financially, but I too have limited means. I'll send you an e-mail if you don't mind.

Don't mind one bit, thanks.

 

[cinemanole]

Originally posted by Lawyer Mike:
This has to happen! I will help. but it must be done perfectly. It can not be released without some very intelligent people with clear understanding of the situation having a final edit.. any holes and that would give most in the media a chance to discount the whole things.. which is exactly what they would see to do.

Again, I would help out. I think one would need a lot of support reading and rereading every document.

Great point, Mike. There are lots of ways an attorney could help on a film. Not only in the interpretation of legal documents for the content of the film itself, but also out in the real world such as obtaining correct insurance and perhaps constructing mechanisms designed to protect the filmmakers themselves from lawsuits.

 

[AtlSFNole]

Originally posted by cinemanole:
Originally posted by OHNole43123

Zach Braff, the guy from "Scrubs," funded his movie, "Wish I Was Here" through the website, Kickstarter --- similar to Go Fund Me. If you are thinking about making this more about false rape accusations than just about JW's case, you might find a lot of folks out there willing to financially support your effort, not just the Seminole faithful.
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Yes, I've been to Kickstarter. Great resource. However, it works best if you already have a little something to show to get people excited. Perhaps a smaller "trailer" would be something more achievable in the short term. However, I'm a little unsure about potentially diluting the message. I know I brought up all those other victims (yes VICTIMS of false allegations), but I was thinking of them more as support for Jameis' case. Perhaps if it turns out that there are not enough people on here to crowd source something, then I could go on to that idea. For now, I would like to focus on bringing Jameis' story to light.

I would think you would want to frame this as an important element of domestic violence and sexual assault that cannot be ignored without undermining the very efforts already underway in support of victims of assault. The impact that false allegations have on all those taht file legitimate claims of assault is hurtful to their very cause. By not being transparent about the fact that false allegations are a recurring, even if small, part of this issue, it becomes selective in defining the problem and worse yet, it creates and pits "sides against each other" from among the entire set of people that want to see all aspects of this problem addressed.

 

[guynole]

Somebody will do this - hopefully before a real tragedy is caused by lynching zealots hate and harm the enjoy inflicting.
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[cinemanole]

Originally posted by AtlSFNole:

Originally posted by cinemanole:
Originally posted by OHNole43123

Zach Braff, the guy from "Scrubs," funded his movie, "Wish I Was Here" through the website, Kickstarter --- similar to Go Fund Me. If you are thinking about making this more about false rape accusations than just about JW's case, you might find a lot of folks out there willing to financially support your effort, not just the Seminole faithful.
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Yes, I've been to Kickstarter. Great resource. However, it works best if you already have a little something to show to get people excited. Perhaps a smaller "trailer" would be something more achievable in the short term. However, I'm a little unsure about potentially diluting the message. I know I brought up all those other victims (yes VICTIMS of false allegations), but I was thinking of them more as support for Jameis' case. Perhaps if it turns out that there are not enough people on here to crowd source something, then I could go on to that idea. For now, I would like to focus on bringing Jameis' story to light.

I would think you would want to frame this as an important element of domestic violence and sexual assault that cannot be ignored without undermining the very efforts already underway in support of victims of assault. The impact that false allegations have on all those taht file legitimate claims of assault is hurtful to their very cause. By not being transparent about the fact that false allegations are a recurring, even if small, part of this issue, it becomes selective in defining the problem and worse yet, it creates and pits "sides against each other" from among the entire set of people that want to see all aspects of this problem addressed.

Absolutely. Without question, the damage this does to legitimate rape victims must be illustrated.

 

[JHoss]

Funny. I actually had a few Twitter exchanges with the guy that runs hashtag facts. I'd love to help. If anyone is interested in my work check our www.rule8media.com

My idea wasn't to try and raise money but to write a voiceover script and use existing footage. But I'm down for whatever.

 

[kc2005]

I'd love to see this and would make sure anyone that I know watch it so I wouldn't have to keep explaining why I like Jameis so much. It sucks that people have to tear others down in order to make a buck. Now you get to build someone up and make lots of bucks I know your not doing it for the money but I can see it being profitable to anyone willing to check out the "other" side of the story. It would be easy to see his true character in a documentary like this. Please do it and let us know how we can help?

 

[NJNOLES]

Do it and let us know where to donate to the cause!

You can add in the conspiracy stuff with the CO lawyers, Paula from ESPN and expose Aunt Pay plus other cases in how they have manipulated the media.

 

[Singleshot]

A good documentary doesn't try to be pro-anything, it gives fair time and opportunity to both sides of an issue, or at least attempts to. Let the work speak for itself and opinions fall where they may, but falling based on actual facts and hearing from both sides, not just one sided crap filled with lies like that mockery of a documentary they put out.

 

[TheBrickhouse]

AtlSFNole has the angle. It can't be/seem like an exoneration of JW...but rather an exploration of the real victims of false accusations - those actually raped and the falsely accused.

Bringing in the Kobe, Duke lax, and possibly UVa cases would help your cause. Make this a national issue about celebrity, extortion, scandal, sex, and media conspiracy and you got yourself a winner.


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[Daddy-OO]

This is a very good idea. I suggest you focus on Jamis as this is the story that we all want to get out there. Use some of the other false allegation stories as a backdrop to reinforce the main story which is Jamis. I wish you well in this endeavor.


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[cinemanole]

Thanks for all your comments today! I'm going to let this thread stew a little over the next couple days and see what happens. Only a couple detractors so far (which is perfectly fine) with a lot of interest. Let's all see where this goes this week. I have been imagining the film all day.

 

[fsusneak]

Originally posted by TheBrickhouse:
AtlSFNole has the angle. It can't be/seem like an exoneration of JW...but rather an exploration of the real victims of false accusations - those actually raped and the falsely accused.

Bringing in the Kobe, Duke lax, and possibly UVa cases would help your cause. Make this a national issue about celebrity, extortion, scandal, sex, and media conspiracy and you got yourself a winner.


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Agree..support. Go Noles.
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[DB1Nole]

You could even do a reenactment of the night at Potbellys. You could use actual testimony. Use Jameis's version that is backed up by facts and witnesses and then show the multiple versions of her story backed up by statement affidavits and different testimonies she provided. It will clearly show who is more credible.

 

[Stax63]

Originally posted by jhtally04:

Jameis and his agency he signed with would shut this down in a heartbeat.

I was wondering how Jamies would feel about this personally. I think the intentions are good, but my question is if his cooperation would be needed to validate the film. Would all the cops and attorneys involved be willing to be interviewed etc. I would love to see it happen!
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[metbari]

I've been thinking about this idea of a doc on JW too and I would completely support it.

IMO the story isn't just about the rape allegation, but the media's using JW as a means for grabbing headlines. Obviously the facts of the rape allegation need to be shared and would be the at the forefront of the storytelling. The media found negative press on JE to be a goldmine and exploited him throughout 2014 (crabgate, FHRITP, autograph payments, shoving the referee, etc). Would be interesting to show at what lengths the media went to crucify him for ratings based on half truths, lies and here say.

The doc title needs to be #BlameJameis.
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[metbari]

Sorry about the poor grammar. I'm at the airport and typing too fast... The plane is about to leave the gate.
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[SemiNo.1e]

Wow - NOBODY is watching The Hunting Grounds...check this link out...Thursday's Gross was $1,442. What is that - a hundred people??

Going down in flames

 

[oldscalphunter]

Originally posted by jhtally04:

Originally posted by cinemanole:

Originally posted by jhtally04:

Jameis and his agency he signed with would shut this down in a heartbeat.

Interesting take - why do you think that? It might be what they're hoping for. Someone other than them to take their side.

It sure would be hard to make the film without Jameis' cooperation, but not impossible. In a weird way, would it be more powerful?

I don't underscore your idea but think about it. Look who he signed with and all the things they are involved with outside just being his agent and crossing the T's and dotting the i's. They build a brand and will be involved in anything and everything Jameis does moving forward and have a huge PR and legal team. There is also timing involved now is not the time to keep shedding light on his past problems and who were involved. Go for it but it would get shut down imo.

He might not get Winston to participate, but how would they shut it down?

 

[balognole]

Originally posted by oldscalphunter:

Originally posted by jhtally04:

Originally posted by cinemanole:

Originally posted by jhtally04:

Jameis and his agency he signed with would shut this down in a heartbeat.

Interesting take - why do you think that? It might be what they're hoping for. Someone other than them to take their side.

It sure would be hard to make the film without Jameis' cooperation, but not impossible. In a weird way, would it be more powerful?

I don't underscore your idea but think about it. Look who he signed with and all the things they are involved with outside just being his agent and crossing the T's and dotting the i's. They build a brand and will be involved in anything and everything Jameis does moving forward and have a huge PR and legal team. There is also timing involved now is not the time to keep shedding light on his past problems and who were involved. Go for it but it would get shut down imo.

He might not get Winston to participate, but how would they shut it down?

They couldn't. Jameis is a public figure. This is not a "Famous Jameis" Tshirt, where someone is trying to cash in on his name/likeness. It is a public interest story. That said,

 

[koolnole]

Great idea.

 

[321Nole]

Just my 2 cents here, but "Pro-Truth" is more important than "Pro-Jameis".

It's got to be as objective as possible or else it will be no better than the coverage we complain about.

You might also put some focus on the business side of the media; why they might be financially inclined to omit facts. I'd even list the cold hard facts on the worst offenders... something like "The NYT has published X number of articles containing over XX thousand words, but has made zero mentions of the toxicology results".

You'd probably want to discuss the general accuracy of toxicology reports for the sake of balance.
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[NolegirlY2K]

While I like the idea you may have be very careful and not combat just false allegations but actually look into doing something to combat the idea of "rape culture" in general. I just read something that went against the notion of such a thing. They said it had more to do with ultra feminism than rape and that rapes were actually down, and less common than what all of these people want you to think. You could do a piece on false allegations but also do something on how sexual assaults are LESS common today and more widely reported than say 30 years ago (I don't know what actual stats say, I can do some research shortly, pretty good with research databases) this may help the claim that the other side might say that this is adding to "rape culture" you will also need women working on this. Just men or a majority of men may cause issues.
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[cinemanole]

Originally posted by NolegirlY2K:
While I like the idea you may have be very careful and not combat just false allegations but actually look into doing something to combat the idea of "rape culture" in general. I just read something that went against the notion of such a thing. They said it had more to do with ultra feminism than rape and that rapes were actually down, and less common than what all of these people want you to think. You could do a piece on false allegations but also do something on how sexual assaults are LESS common today and more widely reported than say 30 years ago (I don't know what actual stats say, I can do some research shortly, pretty good with research databases) this may help the claim that the other side might say that this is adding to "rape culture" you will also need women working on this. Just men or a majority of men may cause issues.
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100% agree. In fact, earlier in the thread, I mentioned that I would like to reach out to a female producer to partner with as the on camera documentarian. It is not absolutely essential, but I think the message would be far better received from a woman than from a big, burly, middle-aged white man.

 

[cinemanole]

Originally posted by Banditking:
Lots of good cases to choose from. That Yale qb. Duke lacrosse. Brian banks. Joshua strange. This one is fun. http://www.businessinsider.com/occidental-sexual-assault-2014-9 I would consider doing some research on personality disorders (eg borderline). If you want a backdrop context to this, there are some great quotes out there from college administrators defining the asymmetrical fault in consensual sex under the influence (guy drunk = fine, girl drunk = rape, both drunk = rape). If you do something like this , you are going to need to be incredibly careful not to victim blame or minimize rape. I might start with a analysis of rape stats some interviews with actual rake victims (violent rape) then present say the occidental college case.

This post was edited on 3/8 8:44 PM by Banditking

Right - I think it's absolutely essential, not just from a self-preservation perspective, but also from the perspective of trying to illustrate a victim. I can hear VO saying something along the lines of "Rape has many victims. Not only the victim herself, of nearly the most heinous crime one person can do to another, but also to her loved ones. The act causes ripples of victims throughout the rest of her life. When a woman makes an allegation of rape, there is a terrible victim one way or the other. Either she is a victim, or he is. If it is a false allegation, the ripples of victims include his family and loved ones, and future rape victims as well." Just off the top of my head - something along those lines. Anyway, yes, I'll be tripping over myself to make sure no one thinks I'm minimizing victims of actual rape.

 

[cinemanole]

Originally posted by DB1Nole:
You could even do a reenactment of the night at Potbellys. You could use actual testimony. Use Jameis's version that is backed up by facts and witnesses and then show the multiple versions of her story backed up by statement affidavits and different testimonies she provided. It will clearly show who is more credible.

I LOVE this idea. One of the things I like about documentaries are scenes other than interviews with BRoll. This is kind of like an action scene. Great idea.

 

[NDallasRuss]

Making the film described by the OP would be the ULTIMATE white-knighting!

Unless him or his lawyers come to you and want to finance you making this pro-Jameis film directly on their behalf, then...

 

[cinemanole]

Originally posted by Stax63:

Originally posted by jhtally04:

Jameis and his agency he signed with would shut this down in a heartbeat.

I was wondering how Jamies would feel about this personally. I think the intentions are good, but my question is if his cooperation would be needed to validate the film. Would all the cops and attorneys involved be willing to be interviewed etc. I would love to see it happen!
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It's a legit question. We won't know unless we try.

 

[cinemanole]

Originally posted by metbari:
I've been thinking about this idea of a doc on JW too and I would completely support it.

IMO the story isn't just about the rape allegation, but the media's using JW as a means for grabbing headlines. Obviously the facts of the rape allegation need to be shared and would be the at the forefront of the storytelling. The media found negative press on JE to be a goldmine and exploited him throughout 2014 (crabgate, FHRITP, autograph payments, shoving the referee, etc). Would be interesting to show at what lengths the media went to crucify him for ratings based on half truths, lies and here say.

The doc title needs to be #BlameJameis.
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To me, the media angle is unavoidable. It is intrinsic to what makes the alleged rapist a victim. Not just for Jameis. If J. Q. Public gets accused of rape in small town USA, I'm sure there's media coverage. I'm sure it makes the local news and paper. This is part of his victimization. The fact that there are very little if any stories exonerating them is also part of the story.

 

[NolegirlY2K]

Originally posted by cinemanole:

Originally posted by NolegirlY2K:
While I like the idea you may have be very careful and not combat just false allegations but actually look into doing something to combat the idea of "rape culture" in general. I just read something that went against the notion of such a thing. They said it had more to do with ultra feminism than rape and that rapes were actually down, and less common than what all of these people want you to think. You could do a piece on false allegations but also do something on how sexual assaults are LESS common today and more widely reported than say 30 years ago (I don't know what actual stats say, I can do some research shortly, pretty good with research databases) this may help the claim that the other side might say that this is adding to "rape culture" you will also need women working on this. Just men or a majority of men may cause issues.
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100% agree. In fact, earlier in the thread, I mentioned that I would like to reach out to a female producer to partner with as the on camera documentarian. It is not absolutely essential, but I think the message would be far better received from a woman than from a big, burly, middle-aged white man.

I'll see what kind of reliable stats I can find. I will use good, supported research and let you know!
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[cinemanole]

Originally posted by NDallasRuss:
Making the film described by the OP would be the ULTIMATE white-knighting!

Unless him or his lawyers come to you and want to finance you making this pro-Jameis film directly on their behalf, then...

Thanks for the feedback Russ. I'm familiar with the pop psychology term "white knight syndrome" but I don't understand what exactly you mean or why it is bad.

 

[cinemanole]

Originally posted by 321Nole:
Just my 2 cents here, but "Pro-Truth" is more important than "Pro-Jameis".

It's got to be as objective as possible or else it will be no better than the coverage we complain about.

You might also put some focus on the business side of the media; why they might be financially inclined to omit facts. I'd even list the cold hard facts on the worst offenders... something like "The NYT has published X number of articles containing over XX thousand words, but has made zero mentions of the toxicology results".

You'd probably want to discuss the general accuracy of toxicology reports for the sake of balance.
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Yes. That is the overwhelming take so far from respondents. For that approach, I have always believed it's a good idea to have a contrarian involved. Tox reports are not 100%, and that's a perfect example of something I have been told when debating the Jameis case with people.

 

[cinemanole]

Originally posted by NolegirlY2K:

Originally posted by cinemanole:

Originally posted by NolegirlY2K:
While I like the idea you may have be very careful and not combat just false allegations but actually look into doing something to combat the idea of "rape culture" in general. I just read something that went against the notion of such a thing. They said it had more to do with ultra feminism than rape and that rapes were actually down, and less common than what all of these people want you to think. You could do a piece on false allegations but also do something on how sexual assaults are LESS common today and more widely reported than say 30 years ago (I don't know what actual stats say, I can do some research shortly, pretty good with research databases) this may help the claim that the other side might say that this is adding to "rape culture" you will also need women working on this. Just men or a majority of men may cause issues.
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100% agree. In fact, earlier in the thread, I mentioned that I would like to reach out to a female producer to partner with as the on camera documentarian. It is not absolutely essential, but I think the message would be far better received from a woman than from a big, burly, middle-aged white man.

I'll see what kind of reliable stats I can find. I will use good, supported research and let you know!
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[NDallasRuss]

Originally posted by cinemanole:

Originally posted by NDallasRuss:
Making the film described by the OP would be the ULTIMATE white-knighting!

Unless him or his lawyers come to you and want to finance you making this pro-Jameis film directly on their behalf, then...

Thanks for the feedback Russ. I'm familiar with the pop psychology term "white knight syndrome" but I don't understand what exactly you mean or why it is bad.

My opinion is that it comes across as if you're standing up for someone that you feel is incapable of standing up for themselves - that you have to take up Jameis' cause on his behalf in order to right the wrongs. There are a lot of causes in this world that need someone to stand up and take their side, but this isn't one of them. If he was concerned enough about the negative perception of him because of these accusations, he and his professional management team certainly has the means to put together their own pro-Jameis documentary to present his side of the story in as much detail as they'd like. But they haven't. I don't think that any person should be more concerned or more invested than Jameis himself about presenting his side of the story to counter the negative documentary that's currently out there.

It wouldn't come across as a legit journalistic expose' at all. Rather, it would come across as a "fanboy" piece created by an FSU alum and football/Jameis fan. No one would be able to get past your connection to the subject - and therefore the passion for protecting Jameis in it - and it would be seen as being just as slanted as the other documentary that's out there. Even if everything you present is pure fact, it would be discounted by everyone that wasn't already pro-Jameis as just the "pro-Jameis" propaganda that you're pushing. So, if your goal is to preach to the choir, then it'll be great for that. Otherwise, I'd leave it alone and allow Jameis to defend himself and his story however he sees fit.

Just my $0.02...

 

[More Kirk Less Spock]

I have been thinking about this project for months now. I have actually been kicking around a few working titles just for grins.

The Jameis Winston Story: A Modern Day Media Lynching

 

[cinemanole]

Originally posted by NDallasRuss:

Originally posted by cinemanole:

Originally posted by NDallasRuss:
Making the film described by the OP would be the ULTIMATE white-knighting!

Unless him or his lawyers come to you and want to finance you making this pro-Jameis film directly on their behalf, then...

Thanks for the feedback Russ. I'm familiar with the pop psychology term "white knight syndrome" but I don't understand what exactly you mean or why it is bad.

My opinion is that it comes across as if you're standing up for someone that you feel is incapable of standing up for themselves - that you have to take up Jameis' cause on his behalf in order to right the wrongs. There are a lot of causes in this world that need someone to stand up and take their side, but this isn't one of them. If he was concerned enough about the negative perception of him because of these accusations, he and his professional management team certainly has the means to put together their own pro-Jameis documentary to present his side of the story in as much detail as they'd like. But they haven't. I don't think that any person should be more concerned or more invested than Jameis himself about presenting his side of the story to counter the negative documentary that's currently out there.

It wouldn't come across as a legit journalistic expose' at all. Rather, it would come across as a "fanboy" piece created by an FSU alum and football/Jameis fan. No one would be able to get past your connection to the subject - and therefore the passion for protecting Jameis in it - and it would be seen as being just as slanted as the other documentary that's out there. Even if everything you present is pure fact, it would be discounted by everyone that wasn't already pro-Jameis as just the "pro-Jameis" propaganda that you're pushing. So, if your goal is to preach to the choir, then it'll be great for that. Otherwise, I'd leave it alone and allow Jameis to defend himself and his story however he sees fit.

Just my $0.02...

Good food for thought, Russ. Thanks.

 

[cinemanole]

********UPDATE**************************

I am getting a lot of support. That's awesome! Moral support is needed, encouraged, and appreciated!

If you are willing to donate financially, PLEASE EMAIL ME: jeff@keyframepictures.com

I'm going to start a kickstarter campaign if I get enough commitments from warchant users. It takes a lot of money to even get something like this started. I am super pumped. Some of you have offered support either in the form of your labors or actual funds: DB1Nole, Grizzlynole, Lawyer Mike, JHoss, kc2005, NJNOLES, fsusneak, metbari, NolegirlY2K - please email if legitimately interested. If not, no harm no foul. If you do, please let me know your warchant handle so I know it's you.

That said, it's going to take a LOT more than a handful of contributions to get this thing off the ground. I noticed warchant moved the thread to the Locker Room. I get that, but am not sure if the LR gets the same amount of traffic as the TC, so one way to help if anyone reads this and can't donate would be to simply spread the word.

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