It won’t be me. I have yet to get my first flu shot, ever.
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Me as well. Never had one. But I did drink out of a hose as a kid...and play outside all day.
I'm not impressed until you can prove that you liked to role around with the pigs 😉
Did you eat grass and dirt as well?
I’m not impressed until you show you know which word is the correct one to use.
I don't want them. But if the numbers show that immunity wanes AND the virus continues to be as potentially bad as it is now (I know only 1/1,000 may die now, but I would be fine with 1/1M odds for me), then it's just not something I am going to avoid for some principle of not wanting to do them. If they significantly reduce the potential downside, it's worth it to me. Not close even.
I had two older brothers. Lots of grass and dirt...some not by choice
this is an interesting article from Bloomberg. an antibody comparison was done between pfizer and moderna and it has found that moderna produced twice the number of antibodies than its competitor.
the article does also help clarify a dosing question that i had pondered with @Dhersh last week in stating that the active ingredient in moderna is 100mcg vs. 30mcg in pfizer. we did know that the dose for moderna is 0.5ml vs. 0.3ml for pfizer but not the amount of active ingredient in its dilution.
separately, there was also a recent study done at the university of birmingham in england that found delaying second dose for 12 weeks provided a boost in immune response of 3.5 times that of current dosing sequences.
www.bloomberg.com
the article does also help clarify a dosing question that i had pondered with @Dhersh last week in stating that the active ingredient in moderna is 100mcg vs. 30mcg in pfizer. we did know that the dose for moderna is 0.5ml vs. 0.3ml for pfizer but not the amount of active ingredient in its dilution.
separately, there was also a recent study done at the university of birmingham in england that found delaying second dose for 12 weeks provided a boost in immune response of 3.5 times that of current dosing sequences.
Moderna Makes Twice as Many Antibodies as Pfizer, Study Says
Moderna Inc.’s Covid vaccine generated more than double the antibodies of a similar shot made by Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE in research that compared immune responses evoked by the two inoculations.
www.bloomberg.com
Quite interesting. The 3-4 weeks was always arbitrary. They just decided that time and used it for the studies. Interesting that they’re comparing the times now.this is an interesting article from Bloomberg. an antibody comparison was done between pfizer and moderna and it has found that moderna produced twice the number of antibodies than its competitor.
the article does also help clarify a dosing question that i had pondered with @Dhersh last week in stating that the active ingredient in moderna is 100mcg vs. 30mcg in pfizer. we did know that the dose for moderna is 0.5ml vs. 0.3ml for pfizer but not the amount of active ingredient in its dilution.
separately, there was also a recent study done at the university of birmingham in england that found delaying second dose for 12 weeks provided a boost in immune response of 3.5 times that of current dosing sequences.
Moderna Makes Twice as Many Antibodies as Pfizer, Study Says
Moderna Inc.’s Covid vaccine generated more than double the antibodies of a similar shot made by Pfizer Inc. and BioNTech SE in research that compared immune responses evoked by the two inoculations.
here is a link to the birmingham study. it was 12 weeks total post first shot.
Delaying second Pfizer vaccines to 12 weeks significantly increases antibody responses in older people - University of Birmingham
Antibody response in people aged over 80 is three-and-a-half times greater in those who have the second dose of the Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine
I'll get it every years along with the flu shot, which I already get. Flu shot is super easy to get. They'll offer it when you pick up a script and 30 seconds later you're on your way.
I used to have to get the flu shot every year and coincidentally got the flu almost annually. I haven't had one in 12 years nor have I had the flu. I got the covid vax because eventually we will all have to get it and Id rather do it on my terms. However, once were past all this and the booster is an annual recommendation I dont know that ill keep getting it.
i haven't taken the flu shot since flu anti-viral's have been readily available. i've had the flu both while vaccinated and un-vaccinated. with that said, about a decade from now, i would regularly get the flu vaccine as i enter a different risk profile by age association.
You can still get the flu even with the vaccine if you get a different variant. However, you stopping getting the vaccine isn't the reason you stopped getting the flu. The vaccine cannot give you the flu. Did you have tests confirming flu every year? A lot of people get really bad colds that they call the flu, which it was just a coronovirus, RSV or rhinovirus that was bad that season.
I've read the Israeli data and obviously they haven't released their internal data to the public. And in the statement they say immunity against serious disease/hospitalization remains high. Nothing new here. I expect them to suggest boosters for 65 over and immune suppress.
My point was if you could get the flu with the vaccine as I did then why get the shot so I stopped. Not getting the flu afterwards was just lucky.
I understand. It protects you from getting certain variants which is why it’s worth getting just to avoid those IMO. I was also just pointing out lot of people think they have the flu when they actually don’t and just have a really bad cold.
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when they actually get the flu they will never mistake a bad cold for the flu again. brutal!
Unfortunately, flu vaccines are not effective against all variants. Experts are forced to guess which mutations will be more prevalent on a given year, and they focus their efforts on fighting those. It leads to roughly 50% efficacy, give or take. If there weren't so many variants, the flu vaccine would be much more effective. In time, I'm afraid that's the path we are going down with COVID as well.
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Might find this one interesting:
Opinion | Accept It: COVID Will Be an Endemic Virus
Everyone will meet with the virus eventually, but doing so safely (while vaccinated) is key
www.medpagetoday.com
Basically, we are all going to meet with Covid eventually, all mitigation efforts are just about timing. Best to get vaccinated and then just live your life.
Got the booster Tuesday. Could barely lift my arm, a lot of fatigue, followed by shivering, and a headache for about 36 hours. Got back to normal early Thursday morning.
I'm sorry to hear that. Booster and flu shots and no side effects for me the only issue was a big back up at CVS.
Got my booster Friday. No reaction at all till that night, when I noticed upper arm was sore to the touch. But I woke up during the night while sleeping on my left side, with no discomfort. Today, it’s as if I never had the shot.
Thanks I didn't know there were reporting issues there. Makes sense. Global death numbers are likely worse than what is being reported.
India has people living on top of each other no way Delta didn't run through all of those slums.
I believe they had a doctor say something similar.
Two doses of Comirnaty are “highly effective” at preventing hospitalizations for at least six months, a large-scale study shows, but protection against infection nearly halves over the same period.
Effectiveness against all Covid infections fell from 88% within a month of having two doses to 47% after six months, according to the research. However, effectiveness against hospitalisations remained high at 90% overall – and crucially across all variants, including delta.
The findings, published in the Lancet, are consistent with preliminary reports from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Israel’s ministry of health that suggested protection against the virus fades within six months.
The results underscore the vital importance of improving Covid vaccination rates globally, researchers said.
Researchers analysed the health records of three million people between December 2020 and August 2021. During the study period, 5.4% of people were infected with SARS-CoV-2. Among those who were infected, 6.6% were hospitalized. The average time since being fully vaccinated was between three and four months.
Prof Penny Ward, visiting professor in pharmaceutical medicine at King’s College London, who was not involved in the study, said: “This publication describes real-world evidence from the US on the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine assessed using data from a large healthcare database from the Kaiser Permanente organisation.
“In general, if the objective of vaccination is to prevent illness and prevent continued spread of infection, the information suggests need for boosters six months after completion of the first vaccine course, particularly among the most vulnerable, in whom infection may lead to more severe illness and death. This approach has already been adopted in the UK, where the booster campaign is now under way.”
Effectiveness against all Covid infections fell from 88% within a month of having two doses to 47% after six months, according to the research. However, effectiveness against hospitalisations remained high at 90% overall – and crucially across all variants, including delta.
The findings, published in the Lancet, are consistent with preliminary reports from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and Israel’s ministry of health that suggested protection against the virus fades within six months.
The results underscore the vital importance of improving Covid vaccination rates globally, researchers said.
Researchers analysed the health records of three million people between December 2020 and August 2021. During the study period, 5.4% of people were infected with SARS-CoV-2. Among those who were infected, 6.6% were hospitalized. The average time since being fully vaccinated was between three and four months.
Prof Penny Ward, visiting professor in pharmaceutical medicine at King’s College London, who was not involved in the study, said: “This publication describes real-world evidence from the US on the effectiveness of the Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine assessed using data from a large healthcare database from the Kaiser Permanente organisation.
“In general, if the objective of vaccination is to prevent illness and prevent continued spread of infection, the information suggests need for boosters six months after completion of the first vaccine course, particularly among the most vulnerable, in whom infection may lead to more severe illness and death. This approach has already been adopted in the UK, where the booster campaign is now under way.”
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Perhaps you should stay away from biased content who try to brainwash you on social media.
Look at the death rate now vs. a few months after it started. They didn't know how to treat it early on. The argument isn't whether or not to get the vaccine if you did not get Covid, the question is whether it makes sense if you had Covid and recovered.
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