Thats true. So far in 2023 there have been 15,733 deaths by firearms that include murder, mass shootings and unintentional deaths. There have been 19, 998 suicides by firearms. Why is the media coverage so limited to mass shootings? Mass shootings have made up just over 600 deaths this year or less than 2%. While all deaths are tragic and those by guns are largely avoidable one would think we would center our attention on the larger percentage by suicide and murders, this is where we can make real headway. Improve our existing laws, improve mental health programs, enforces red flag laws, get more criminals off the street ect...
22+ killed in mass shooting in Maine
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600 deaths by mass shootings so far in 2023. 19,998 by suicide with a firearm.
I am thinking that death by suicide and murder are not usually done with semiautomatic weapons.
Exactly. A majority of lawful gun owners would have no problem with expanded gun regulations. Longer wait periods, expanded background and mental health checks, expanded red flag laws all should be on the table. I personally am not even opposed to limits on certain types of weapons. The police need to have the upper hand.
Sure they are... semiautomatic means you just pull the trigger without have to physically rechamber the round.
Not true.
What makes a gun semi-automatic? Key gun terms explained as House passes new legislation
Northeastern's Jack McDevitt breaks down what makes up different forms of firearms, what "red flag" laws are, and how to reduce gun violence.
news.northeastern.edu
Improve our gun laws, make it harder to buy firearms, prosecute criminals, improve mental health care and facilities. Those will reduce deaths. Making people soft targets by removing guns just emboldens the criminals.
It's not much less. 19K+ due to suicides and 15k due to murder/accidental death ect this includes the 600 mass shooting victims so it's not much less. I for one would rather take my chances with the ones you listed vice the criminals.
You probably shouldn’t hope or expect the US to break up into two or more countries. It isn’t happening, and if it did it would be a nightmare in every conceivable way bc it wouldn’t be peaceful.
Of course it will but I sure as hell hope I’m not around to see it bc it won’t be peaceful. I know you see the world in a very polarized way but more people than you think are still pretty close to the middle politically, they just aren’t the ones making all the noise on either side.
When I worked at the Sheriffs office, most domestic calls were on Sundays & other holidays/events where individuals were shut in together. Substance abuse rarely has a positive impact as well.
If people would turn off social media they would realize things aren't as bad.
You can probably accomplish the same with a safe & leaving intoxicating substances out of homes.
Social media is OK as long as you don't get entangled into arguments and you block trolls.
Hopefully, things will be better in government in 10 years or so when the next generation takes over.
Do you think it would be better if America split up during the Civil War?
I’ve been off social media for maybe 10 years or so? Don’t miss it at all.
That’s true. I guess I should say Facebook and the like. I don’t find talking about a specific sports team to be toxic.Messageboards are still social media.
Not easy. They feed whatever they want to you. On a board like this, not so much.I used to be on Facebook and just blocked toxic people. Easy.
Break up how? Geographically? Into tribal warlords?
In some careers it's career suicide to seek help for mental health. Pilot is one. Although some pilots should have been banned from flying such as the German wings pilot who flew the Airbus into the mountain killing all the passengers and the recent Alaska airline pilots who pulled the fire levers during flight.
The news articles and the FAA will tell you that there are waivers for taking antidepressants. Etc. However the bureaucracy can idle a pilot without income or job flying for years until the waiver is obtained.
If a pilot has a drinking problem and seeks rehab, he's banned for flying for 2 years. He's better off trying to tackle it alone or via AA and not seeking professional help which must be reported to the FAA.
As of today the numbers on gun violence deaths are:
Homicide/Murder/Unintentional and DV - 15793
Suicide - 20,064
Since I know for a fact, I'm not committing suicide and I alone have access to my guns there's no risk of that. The only risk is the 15k + murders ect.. from gun violence so it's very logical for me to keep my guns. A safe and trigger locks go a long way to reducing risks.
Have you removed alcohol and prescription drugs from your house as well? Both contribute to more deaths per year than guns.
The only way to create a perfect world is to lock everyone in an empty single room with no clothes.As of today the numbers on gun violence deaths are:
Homicide/Murder/Unintentional and DV - 15793
Suicide - 20,064
Since I know for a fact, I'm not committing suicide and I alone have access to my guns there's no risk of that. The only risk is the 15k + murders ect.. from gun violence so it's very logical for me to keep my guns. A safe and trigger locks go a long way to reducing risks.
Have you removed alcohol and prescription drugs from your house as well? Both contribute to more deaths per year than guns.
It is if the team is the Stinkin' Gators.
I don't know how telling you I'm not going to commit suicide is over estimating capabilities but ok.
There is zero risk in owning a gun. The risk is using it and not handling it properly. Its not about fear, I choose to have the ability to protect myself and my family if it comes to that. I hope it never does and the guns I own never have to be used.
I've seen death and have close friends that have died from suicide (self-inflicted gunshots) but that doesn't sway my decision to own guns. I also have no issue with those that choose not to, that's your right.
Hard pass on all of the above. Or none of those things could happen and all will be fine. Just curious, how many people experience a psychotic break induced by an environmental toxin, a rapid onset major depressive or panic episode induced by a thyroid tumor, a random major cerebrovascular event, etc., and become acutely suicidal or homicidal?
New research presented in tackling gun violence as a public health epidemic
Less than two months into 2023, there have already been more than 60 mass shootings in the United States and at least 5,103 people killed by gun violence.
www.uclahealth.org
Here's an article from UCLA on gun violence. Lock and protect aims to reduce access (safes and trigger locks). I guess removing all together is a way to do that but it's not what this program is suggesting.
Would you agree an individual would simply find another avenue based on those scenarios?
Quality civil discussion in this thread. Thank you all very much.
I know you asked Brain but the 1st part of this 7 min video clip seems to answer it pretty well (starting about 1-1/2 minutes in)…
What can be done to prevent gun suicides as U.S. rate hits all-time high
Firearms are involved in more than half of suicides in the U.S. The gun suicide rate has reached an all-time high, and for the first time, the rate is higher among Black kids and teens than white ones, according to a recent analysis by Johns Hopkins University. William Brangham speaks with Dr...
www.pbs.org
That makes sense.I know you asked Brain but the 1st part of this 7 min video clip seems to answer it pretty well (starting about 1-1/2 minutes in)…
What can be done to prevent gun suicides as U.S. rate hits all-time high
Firearms are involved in more than half of suicides in the U.S. The gun suicide rate has reached an all-time high, and for the first time, the rate is higher among Black kids and teens than white ones, according to a recent analysis by Johns Hopkins University. William Brangham speaks with Dr...
I'm kinda worried though. Their throwing UCLA research at BrainVision.
I would think someone that would use a firearm to commit suicide would be more intent on it than say someone who utilizes pills or something like that. I think their assertion here is that the lethality of guns makes it final in most cases. Good video/transcript.I know you asked Brain but the 1st part of this 7 min video clip seems to answer it pretty well (starting about 1-1/2 minutes in)…
What can be done to prevent gun suicides as U.S. rate hits all-time high
Firearms are involved in more than half of suicides in the U.S. The gun suicide rate has reached an all-time high, and for the first time, the rate is higher among Black kids and teens than white ones, according to a recent analysis by Johns Hopkins University. William Brangham speaks with Dr...
I grew up in Miami. Lived in Chicago for many years. Been all over the world. Biggest shooting/murder event I’ve been close to was in Blacksburg Virginia. Cho something or other went on a killing spree and shot 30 something people on Virginia Tech’s campus. I’ve worked with people who were at parkland.
I think mental illness is the prevailing factor in most of the cases that hit the media. Though our mass shooting stats are dominated by gang violence. In the latter case, gun laws without massive confiscation will do nothing. In the former, better red flag laws might help. But also, we really should consider bringing back mental heath institutions. It’s a tough situation and, in a way, sort of like minority report ethically. The Philip k Dick story on incarceration of people who you know will commit future crimes. I think the latter has more human cost and economic cost than the occasional mass shooting.
I think mental illness is the prevailing factor in most of the cases that hit the media. Though our mass shooting stats are dominated by gang violence. In the latter case, gun laws without massive confiscation will do nothing. In the former, better red flag laws might help. But also, we really should consider bringing back mental heath institutions. It’s a tough situation and, in a way, sort of like minority report ethically. The Philip k Dick story on incarceration of people who you know will commit future crimes. I think the latter has more human cost and economic cost than the occasional mass shooting.
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Yep, one of the most terrifying news stories to me was a pilot, I think for Egypt air, who decided to commit suicide by diving the passenger jet into the ocean. There’s just no locus of control in that situation.
If people are really worried about the country breaking apart, I’d be stocking up on guns not getting rid of them. For the record, I don’t have a gun. If I lived in Los Angeles, I’d probably have a gun.
