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Anyone here losing interest in college football?

Still love watching a good college game. I never sat around all day watching games or ever followed the NFL. It just wasn't a thing in our house.

I do think there should be a cap on budgets and/or coaches salaries.

Stale this, stale that...If you win, they will come.



 
Still love watching a good college game. I never sat around all day watching games or ever followed the NFL. It just wasn't a thing in our house.

I do think there should be a cap on budgets and/or coaches salaries.

Stale this, stale that...If you win, they will come.



Not sure what I just saw. Does the video-taker have Parkinsons?
 
Not sure what I just saw. Does the video-taker have Parkinsons?

Probably a GoPro stuck to his head - multitasking. College kids don't have the budget for a high quality gimbal. At least Theta Chi's don't have those kinda budget windfalls.
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Yes, it's been a steady decline for the past several years.

1) The 2013-2014 saga took a lot of the enjoyment out for me. I barely enjoyed what should have been an incredible 2013 season.

2) the CTE thing is big enough that the game will probably never 100% win me back.

3) the older I get the more I can't stand the way many people hitch their ego to a team's performance. I have no patience for trash talking, condescension, etc. Jokes are okay, but only if the joker understands that it's all BS.

4) the media surrounding the game is hypocritical. Stuff like CTE is swept under the rug, but reporters clutch their pearls over players getting a few hundred bucks on the side.

I could go on, but those are my biggest reasons. It's a shame since the game itself is still as exciting as ever.
 
Have significantly lost interest in football in the last 8 years or so.
  • CFB is not about the players, it's about the money, corporate dollars, execs, conferences. money. likely the case for decades but now it's out in the open.
  • it's a boondoggle. hate the arms race, crazy coaching salaries/buyouts, useless facilities
  • manufactured suspense and bogus criteria by espn, the cfp committee, etc... be a real sport and have a real playoff
  • conference chest thumping is peculiar cuckhold type behavior. i'm not rooting for a rival over a non-rival just b/c they're in the same conference, that's loser behavior
  • went from enjoying brutal hits to them making me want to change the channel
  • let the players in on a meaningful slice of the financial pie, give them a seat at the table for rules changes, etc...
  • long games, good grief, how many replays, commercials, stoppages of play can there be. games need to get to the sub 3 hour mark, i do not have all day
I only watch FSU games. Aggregate all the non-FSU CFB I've watched this season and it'd be less than a whole game.

All that said, it's not that hard to fix the product, however the powers that be won't do it because they all want to protect their financial fiefdoms. They're going to suffocate the sport.
All of this. Every single word.
 
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It's been my favorite sport since childhood but has certainly lost its luster. When viewing one's favorite team has become a chore, I guess that happens.

Even though I don't really have a "favorite team", I actually think I prefer the NFL nowadays. One, the talent is more spread out and it's far more unpredictable than college. Two, the level of play is obviously superior. Finally, I'm a fantasy geek, and that goes perfectly with the NFL.
The unpredictability was what was so great about the college game years ago. It seems now that is more prevalent in the NFL.
 
I lost interest in all pro sports years ago, and I'm getting there fast with college football. Big money is squeezing out what's left of the joy I used to feel for the sport, and while violence has always been part of the game, the awful long-term effects of the hits we once thought were great entertainment now make it less fun.

If grown men want to risk their health to play this game in exchange for a big paycheck, then all power to them. But today's college players seem like the modern-day version of gladiators, and it feels unseemly for our universities to be participating in this business.
 
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I never thought this would happen but if you ever paid attention to how screwed up the game we all loved is....for example:

1) The money being spent by maybe 10 or so programs around the country, with the majority of the being SEC, is truly an arms race. Coaching, on the college level, matters so much in this game. I'm not only talking about head coaches. I'm talking about all the way down to support staff and who can have it. Only a few schools can afford the money being pumped in for these assistant coaches & support staff. I think we at, FSU, know this very well.

2) Likewise to coaching salaries, facilities is another top 10 schools.... and everyone else. It matters. Who has the best weight rooms, who has the best locker rooms, best stadium experience, etc.

3) I think what I loved about college football was the fact that these guys were students first. Maybe I was young and naïve but today it seems like these guys are minor leaguers. Then you live in my state, and have GA Tech, which is not a football factory yet they try to compete with the football schools of the south and you begin to realize how screwed up this is. How many FSU, UGA, or UT football players can pass real science/math calculus? They ALL have to do this at GA Tech. Likewise, just a general question but are the admission standards the same for football players at Duke, Wake Forest, Vandy as they are for Alabama, Arkansas and LSU?

Part of the problem is me living in suburban Atlanta. Where all things live and die through Georgia football... 365 days a year. The whole concept is weird.... if you have your daily ups and downs on what an 18-21 year old does on a football field (and yes, 21, if they are that good they will go pro at 22). When I lived down in Florida it was FSU on Saturday and the Dolphins on Sunday.... and then bball in the winter, and baseball in the summer. I think living here makes you wonder about the emphasis that is put on college kids for their athletic accomplishment.

Does this bother anyone else? Make you think? Wonder? Or just as a UGA friend puts it--- "nope. I like what it is".
It was kinda exciting and almost surreal when we found out Bobby Bowden was the first college coach to ink a million dollar contract. Now, some teams have how many assistants making more?
I was lucky enough to score great seats to watch a couple of Noles games this year. Jeez, where did the football game go? Every one around us spent more time on their phones than watching or cheering. When off the phone, they looked at the entertainment on the big screen/scoreboards...fans dancing, hugging, ads, etc... more often than watching the game.
The big screen spurred fans to cheer rather than spontaneous outbursts based on the field of play. Folks I know spent the game in the boxes or the champions club, meaning they went to a restaurant/bar that happened to have a football game available for entertainment.
The first time I encountered interminable timeouts was at ACC tourney basketball games. Now, even for a team as pedestrian as FSU this season, fans are disconnected from action for five minutes at a time due to ad sales.
There is no pace to the game and it drags on with a stupid amount of stoppages that mostly add nothing to the game. The officials are scared to make calls without referring to a committee that is also scared to make calls.
More importantly, the plug in to players that seemed like real students playing a game is long lost history. They come and go at a pace having nothing to do with gaining a four year degree. A kid waiting his turn for playing time is becoming non existent, even tho that is the time honored way to learn the game while supporting the starters.
Football has been exposed as a game that uses up its player’s health, fan’s time, and university/community assets in order to enrich a system beneficial to coaches, admins, TV, advertisers, and a long list of others who have nothing to do with education or real community. The money spent on one act facilities is farcical in the face of student and community needs.
One of my brothers was very plugged in to FSU football under Bobby. They traded books, had real social interactions, and talked shop. When Jimbo took over, brother told me he was a real ace hat who would denigrate the FSU program.
Anybody agree? It quickly became a systematic game of holding the school hostage for salary jumps, investment by a university in one use facilities, (the indoor practice facility should have also been built as a state of the art indoor track house) and separation from the academic commmunity.

Long ago I started following the woman’s sports more avidly. There is such a different sense of priority... mostly meaning a lack of money grubbing.
FSU football, where art thou?
 
Football has been exposed as a game that uses up its player’s health, fan’s time, and university/community assets in order to enrich a system beneficial to coaches, admins, TV, advertisers, and a long list of others who have nothing to do with education or real community. The money spent on one act facilities is farcical in the face of student and community needs.
This man is preaching.
 
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This thread turns out to be quite timely.

With FSU now courting Hugh Freeze (who was caught texting hookers and bagmen), even schools like ours that at least had the decency to keep any improprieties to a minimum and covered up have decided to open their kimonos and jump into the fray.

There are ways to win that don't require going to the far end of the moral spectrum that Freeze lives on, but Freeze is the easy short cut and that's what this sport has sunk to, rationalized by "well everyone else is doing it," as though that makes it okay.

Yet another reason to question college football. A sport that at least attempted to care about shaping young men is now obsessed with hiring corrupt adults to extract profits from those young men's bodies.
 
This thread turns out to be quite timely.

With FSU now courting Hugh Freeze (who was caught texting hookers and bagmen), even schools like ours that at least had the decency to keep any improprieties to a minimum and covered up have decided to open their kimonos and jump into the fray.

There are ways to win that don't require going to the far end of the moral spectrum that Freeze lives on, but Freeze is the easy short cut and that's what this sport has sunk to, rationalized by "well everyone else is doing it," as though that makes it okay.

Yet another reason to question college football. A sport that at least attempted to care about shaping young men is now obsessed with hiring corrupt adults to extract profits from those young men's bodies.
The pursuit of Freeze is chilling to me, as well. @DFSNOLE suggested Cliff Kingsbury & I think we should call Chris Hatcher. As far as I can tell, neither has any character blemishes.
 
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The pursuit of Freeze is chilling to me, as well. @DFSNOLE suggested Cliff Kingsbury & I think we should call Chris Hatcher. As far as I can tell, neither has any character blemishes.
Folks are almost seeking out the shadiest characters and fetishizing them. Freeze, Briles, Meyer (freaking Urban Meyer of all people!!)... has the world gone mad? When did it become so acceptable (if not prestigious) to be a scumbag?
 
Folks are almost seeking out the shadiest characters and fetishizing them. Freeze, Briles, Meyer (freaking Urban Meyer of all people!!)... has the world gone mad? When did it become so acceptable (if not prestigious) to be a scumbag?
I agree with your general statement but must ask if you hold Kendal Briles in the same (well-earned & deserved) disregard as his father.
 
I agree with your general statement but must ask if you hold Kendal Briles in the same (well-earned & deserved) disregard as his father.
His father is on another level but K.Briles has put enough dirt on himself to give me significant pause in hiring him.

Oh one more gem I forgot, Liberty University is showing significant interest in hiring Hugh Freeze as their Head Coach. Yes, same guy who was texting with hookers and paying players, and yes, that Liberty University.

Tells you everything you need to know about the intersection of sports and hypocrisy.
 
His father is on another level but K.Briles has put enough dirt on himself to give me significant pause in hiring him.

Oh one more gem I forgot, Liberty University is showing significant interest in hiring Hugh Freeze as their Head Coach. Yes, same guy who was texting with hookers and paying players, and yes, that Liberty University.

Tells you everything you need to know about the intersection of sports and hypocrisy.
Wow!! :eek:

..And I wouldn't have Kendal at the top of my list either. I don't think it's necessary to pursue anyone with even a whiff of impropriety when there are plenty of potential candidates who would appear to be "squeaky clean". (See what happened with Greg Schiano & Tennessee last year.)
 
CFB coaching, esp among SEC based coaches, is an utterly fleeting business with loyalties to nothing other than $.

I could easily see a scenario where we hire Freeze, UMD hires Bama's OC Locksley in January, and then Bama doubles what we're paying Freeze and he jumps ship in less than a month.

In fact, it's not that far fetched, I forgot his name but early in the jimbo era Bama hired a guy from FSU that we'd just inked like 3 weeks earlier. (edit: Billy Napier - we hired him as TE coach and recruiting coord, bama jacked him a few weeks later)

Sorry for turning this into an FSU coaching thread. We can return to the higher level discussion.
 
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... has the world gone mad? When did it become so acceptable (if not prestigious) to be a scumbag?

No comment...

The other thing I miss about college football’s past is big out of conference matchups. Maybe I’m not paying close enough attention but it seems like many schools these days mostly schedule powderpuff out of conference games. It was more fun when you’d see these big games throughout the season but it seems rarer these days.
 
No comment...

The other thing I miss about college football’s past is big out of conference matchups. Maybe I’m not paying close enough attention but it seems like many schools these days mostly schedule powderpuff out of conference games. It was more fun when you’d see these big games throughout the season but it seems rarer these days.
I think the big labor day weekend games like FSU-bama are great for fans to watch, however it's wound up limited to that one weekend. After labor day most OOC games are cupcake city.

Would be nice if they were spread out thru the season.

And yes, wise move on the no comment :)
 
I could easily see a scenario where we hire Freeze, UMD hires Bama's OC Locksley in January, and then Bama doubles what we're paying Freeze and he jumps ship in less than a month

Conversely, I could see none of this happening. They knew Bell was likely leaving and have been working on this for a bit. Taggart and Freeze spoke and now we have two hires and one defectition projected. Sports reporting is worse than political reporting. Bama wanted him a year ago, but the SEC said no in the near term. A number of SEC teams want him now and they will pay more so he isn't coming to FSU. Also, can't see FSU signing off.

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There's so many things that are contributing to my losing interest in football, but the top 3 would be.....SEC/ESPN could write for days on this one. Cost of games...between hotels/tickets ect it is getting really expensive for a family to attend games....last but not least would be officiating, especially in the ACC. Not sure how many games those bozo's have cost us over the years .
 
I'm starting to get that way about almost all sports. I've barely watched any this year. I've reached a point in life where I can enjoy a game, but I've realized it's just a game. All of the energy, all of the tribalistic attitudes, and all of the money and time just seems so ridiculous now.

I still like watching us play, I'm still rooting for us to do well. But I'm far more interested in us creating men and women who will go out and work to make this world a better place than I am in winning a national title, crushing our opponents, and sending people off to be entitled professional players.

I guess I've realized there's more to life than sports. Part of that happened when I moved away from Tallahassee and lost the connection, the other was observing all the Tide fans where I live who seem to have their entire identity wrapped up in whether Alabama football is the king or not. It's ridiculous.
 
I think Noleclone nailed it. I think what most on here are finding is not that CFB is changing so much as when you go from your 20s to 30s and more importantly from no kids to kids your priorities change. It doesnt matter the sport but you just dont have time for the fandom that you used to have in school and new grad.

That being said there are a lot of issues that do make it more difficult to be a fan of CFB. I dont care about the CTE issue. No one forces any players to play this game. These players know the risk and would do it over a 1000 times. I liken it to motorsports where you can literally die and they still do it.

More than the CTE what I find more hard to stomach is the change in the college athlete. The totally selfish entitled athlete of today that feels like he is going to make it to the NFL and that is all he cares about makes it so hard to watch the sport. It seems there is a horrible correlation between talent and ego and you cant win at the highest level unless you recruits these kids.

Even the fact that everyone wants to talk about this notion that they are being exploited while colleges make tons of money to me is a complete red herring and causes the problem. In doing so you are discrediting and diminishing the value of the education that these kids brush aside as "nothing". Everyday people show up to work making maybe $10/hr working at Walmart or BestBuy etc. The CEOs of those companies and the shareholders make billions off the work of people getting paid far less than college athletes. Unless you are Bernie Sanders no one talks about that. These players have the opportunity to get an education that is worth a great deal, just because they waste that opportunity does mean they are taking advantage of. Calling them victims only emboldens these mentality.

Enough of the rant. I still enjoy CFB. I love the tradition and history of it. I dont like how the CFB playoffs is turning CFB into the NFL in its nonstop talk about the playoffs and nothing else. No one talks about what a great season Northwestern had making the Big Ten Championship. Or how Washington has a chance to win the Rose Bowl for the first time this millenium. These are things that used to make CFB great. ESPN and its pro-centric mentality applied to CFB is what is killing the sport.
 
I have pretty much given up watching most CFB. Gave up season tickets and rarely tune in. My issues are the following.

- Money over Tradition. When UT and TAMU quit playing. I grew up watching that game every year after Thanksgiving.
- Obvious conference bias by the networks. ESPN controls so much and when you dedicate coverage to your multi-billion dollar investment I get it, but its gets old.
- The Jameis Saga. The smear job they put on that kid was out of control. Journalistic integrity went out of the window and they wanted blood. Had to settle for cussing in the union.
- Football only facilities. Schools spending $50+ million on something that is only going to benefit max 120 people a year is crazy. I fully understand ROI of money spend on football vs money made. Just pay the kids and move on.

FSU doesn't spend a dime on facilities, our athletic programs are totally self supportive. We raise the money to pay for facilities and we are currently in a $100 million facility capital campaign.
 
FSU doesn't spend a dime on facilities, our athletic programs are totally self supportive. We raise the money to pay for facilities and we are currently in a $100 million facility capital campaign.
I used Schools as a catch all term. People can donate money to whichever cause they want, just like we did. Went from silver chief to nothing. Just felt like there were more worthwhile causes to us. I love FSU and my time there but some separation and perspective made me realize I did not enjoy supporting the institution of CFB.
 
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I think for the last 25 years we have seen players making plays then parading around with some type of look at me I am great routine. Did not bother me to much back then because on the few occasions we were getting beat the players did not make such gestures. NOw a team can be getting trounced and it seems the players want to make even play where they are even close to making a play so they can parade around drawing attention to themselves. It started a little under BB's last years but seem to become standard occurrence under JF. With them exceptions of a few teams that is common place anymore. I think that attitude is what has turned me off CFB. Other than the uf game I have not watched a full FSU game in 3 years. Doubt that will change anytime soon. I have found I can do a lot of dives on those Saturdays.
 
I watched a total of 10 college games this season. FSU played in half of them. Close to being done with the sport. Still love watching basketball and baseball.
 
it seems the players want to make even play where they are even close to making a play so they can parade around drawing attention to themselves. It started a little under BB's last years but seem to become standard occurrence under JF. With them exceptions of a few teams that is common place anymore. I think that attitude is what has turned me off CFB.

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It started during Bobby’s best years...
 
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The other thing I miss about college football’s past is big out of conference matchups. Maybe I’m not paying close enough attention but it seems like many schools these days mostly schedule powderpuff out of conference games. It was more fun when you’d see these big games throughout the season but it seems rarer these days.

You can thank the playoff for that. P5 school runs the table in conference, plays weak-sauce OOC and goes undefeated = guaranteed playoff spot every time.
 
I dont understand, people donate money to build facilities. Our capital campaign is raising money for numerous sports. I dont want to start naming them because I dont want to leave somebody out.
IMO, there are better things to spend 100 million dollars on than sports. I used to disagree with that completely. Now, not so much. Not when there's so many people dying for lack of quality food, medicine, housing, etc... And College Football doesn't seem to be backing down anytime soon. It used to be that you spent money on football, but you didn't spend fortunes. Bobby never made a salary to rival the biggest CEO's in the world, we had a nice stadium but it wasn't the Buckingham palace. But today if you want to win, you have to pay all of your coaches millions, you have to spend 100 million every few years on facilities, etc...

It's just such a waste of actual resources.
 
IMO, there are better things to spend 100 million dollars on than sports. I used to disagree with that completely. Now, not so much. Not when there's so many people dying for lack of quality food, medicine, housing, etc... And College Football doesn't seem to be backing down anytime soon. It used to be that you spent money on football, but you didn't spend fortunes. Bobby never made a salary to rival the biggest CEO's in the world, we had a nice stadium but it wasn't the Buckingham palace. But today if you want to win, you have to pay all of your coaches millions, you have to spend 100 million every few years on facilities, etc...

It's just such a waste of actual resources.
It’s not about football anymore. It’s about something else, making construction companies, network execs, and shoe ceos wealthy
 
IMO, there are better things to spend 100 million dollars on than sports. I used to disagree with that completely. Now, not so much. Not when there's so many people dying for lack of quality food, medicine, housing, etc... And College Football doesn't seem to be backing down anytime soon. It used to be that you spent money on football, but you didn't spend fortunes. Bobby never made a salary to rival the biggest CEO's in the world, we had a nice stadium but it wasn't the Buckingham palace. But today if you want to win, you have to pay all of your coaches millions, you have to spend 100 million every few years on facilities, etc...

It's just such a waste of actual resources.
Agreed. At a university like FSU that 100 million dollars could have a truly monumental impact on the academic mission of the institution and on the university community as a whole. When you are struggling to pay adjuncts to teach core classes and your students are struggling to feed and house themselves without taking on huge amounts of debt, dumping 100 million dollars into sports seems frankly immoral.
 
It's neither binary, nor immoral. I'm sure if someone can raise $100 million just for classes, FSU would hire them and pay them very well. No one has to take on huge amounts of debt, that's their choice.
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Prospective high school seniors might have some trouble getting into Baylor University this year thanks to a Heisman Trophy and a NCAA National Title.
According to school officials there was a 14% increase in the applications they received this year compared with 2011 and Baylor says their athletics program is to thank.
The school says that they have received over 40,000 applications from the high school class of 2012, which is over 2.5 times the 15,485 the admissions office received in 2005.
"It's big time college athletics and people want to take part in that experience," said Lori Fogleman, a Baylor University Spokesperson. "It's even better when you're successful. When you're a winner, everybody wants to be a part of that success."
Nationally more students have also started showing interest in Baylor with 30% of their applications coming from out of the state, compared to 20% in 2011.


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Fall numbers show record enrollment, retention rate & interest in Baylor
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Those numbers tell us that, despite its size, Baylor’s Class of 2019 is among the most selective in school history. These 3,394 freshmen — Baylor’s second-largest incoming class ever, behind only last year’s record of 3,625 — have the best combination of high school rank, test scores and GPA in the university’s 170-year history.

Of this year’s incoming freshmen, a third are from outside Texas, representing 46 other states and 30 countries, and nearly 31 percent are legacies (family members of previous Baylor students). Retention of last year’s freshmen this year is at a record 88.9% — an unusually high number for an institution of Baylor’s size.
 
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I dont understand, people donate money to build facilities. Our capital campaign is raising money for numerous sports. I dont want to start naming them because I dont want to leave somebody out.
As my mom used to say, you aren’t curing cancer, feeding people, or saving lives.
Building another football only facility at FSU ( who gives a rip where the money comes from), is a poke in the eye to really contributing to society at large.
The university continues to expand single use spaces at the expense of the neighborhoods that were there...
Does the university pay property taxes, for instance?
 
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