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Cardiologist: Covid damage to athlete's hearts - crap data

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Sorry dude. The scientists now have a time machine where they can go 50 years in the future and see all the long term damage to athletes with Covid which has been around for only 6 months. Didn’t you hear?
 
Sorry dude. The scientists now have a time machine where they can go 50 years in the future and see all the long term damage to athletes with Covid which has been around for only 6 months. Didn’t you hear?
Yes, because that's the standard for every other disease and illness. Right?
 
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Sorry dude. The scientists now have a time machine where they can go 50 years in the future and see all the long term damage to athletes with Covid which has been around for only 6 months. Didn’t you hear?

If they do have that, one might think that the SMART cardio guys aren't focusing on just COVID. They're looking at all heart disease issues. There may even be other things that come up in 50 years that make C19 look like a nothing burger.
 
The federalist also published a column defending Roy Moore for dating teenagers while he was in his 30's. Get out of here with this crap.
a mostly useless publication but it still doesn't lessen the fact that myocarditis is primarily caused by a prior virus and in most cases is easily treatable and reversible. it's nothing new and it's not unique to COVID.
 
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Athlete or not, the residual effects are real. I had COVID. Only symptom was chest pain. I have tested negative since, but still have chest pain after a month of original date of symptoms. Have even visited ER recently. Thank goodness, everything came out ok, but the lingering effects are very concerning.
 
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An article directly related to the Pac12 and Big10 decision to cancel football due to concerns about myocarditis - moved to the Locker Room. SMH.
 
Here’s a player whose career is likely over because of covid-related myocarditis: https://www.espn.com/college-footba...rdo-diagnosed-heart-condition-linked-covid-19
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocarditis/symptoms-causes/syc-20352539
In many cases, myocarditis improves on its own or with treatment, leading to a complete recovery. Myocarditis treatment focuses on the cause and the symptoms, such as heart failure.

In mild cases, persons should avoid competitive sports for at least three to six months.
 
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/myocarditis/symptoms-causes/syc-20352539
In many cases, myocarditis improves on its own or with treatment, leading to a complete recovery. Myocarditis treatment focuses on the cause and the symptoms, such as heart failure.

In mild cases, persons should avoid competitive sports for at least three to six months.
In many cases, but not all, it heals on its own, eventually. In mild cases, you take a year off.

but in many cases, the damage is permanent. In moderate to severe cases, you have to rehab longer, your career is over, or you eventually die.
 
In mild cases, you take a year off.
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In mild cases, persons should avoid competitive sports for at least three to six months.


No offense, but I will take the Mayo Clinic's version.

And nowhere in your linked article did it say the young man's career was "likely" over. How about we "follow the science" instead of the hyperbole.
 
In mild cases, persons should avoid competitive sports for at least three to six months.


No offense, but I will take the Mayo Clinic's version.

And nowhere in your linked article did it say the young man's career was "likely" over. How about we "follow the science" instead of the hyperbole.
The Mayo Clinic’s version:
Severe myocarditis can permanently damage your heart muscle, possibly causing:

  • Heart failure. Untreated, myocarditis can damage your heart's muscle so that it can't pump blood effectively. In severe cases, myocarditis-related heart failure may require a ventricular assist device or a heart transplant.
  • Heart attack or stroke. If your heart's muscle is injured and can't pump blood, the blood that pools in your heart can form clots. If a clot blocks one of your heart's arteries, you can have a heart attack. If a blood clot in your heart travels to an artery leading to your brain before becoming lodged, you can have a stroke.
  • Rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias). Damage to your heart muscle can cause arrhythmias.
  • Sudden cardiac death. Certain serious arrhythmias can cause your heart to stop beating (sudden cardiac arrest). It's fatal if not treated immediately.
Since this is a novel virus, we don’t know how serious the heart damage will be and in how many people yet. That uncertainty is the problem. The other problem is that the myocarditis may be present in people who were asymptomatic. Say it is mild, but you, an athlete, didn’t know you had it, an continue practicing and playing. Then you’re not taking that 3-6 months off. What happens then? I’m not a doctor, so I don’t know, but I’m assuming the recommendation for time off is related to the possibility that you could do damage to the inflamed heart, turning it into a severe case. And, yes, we are doing weekly testing now, but we hadn’t been before camp, so it’s possible we have players who are in that scenario.
 
The Mayo Clinic’s version:
Severe myocarditis can permanently damage your heart muscle, possibly causing:

  • Heart failure. Untreated, myocarditis can damage your heart's muscle so that it can't pump blood effectively. In severe cases, myocarditis-related heart failure may require a ventricular assist device or a heart transplant.
  • Heart attack or stroke. If your heart's muscle is injured and can't pump blood, the blood that pools in your heart can form clots. If a clot blocks one of your heart's arteries, you can have a heart attack. If a blood clot in your heart travels to an artery leading to your brain before becoming lodged, you can have a stroke.
  • Rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias). Damage to your heart muscle can cause arrhythmias.
  • Sudden cardiac death. Certain serious arrhythmias can cause your heart to stop beating (sudden cardiac arrest). It's fatal if not treated immediately.
Since this is a novel virus, we don’t know how serious the heart damage will be and in how many people yet. That uncertainty is the problem. The other problem is that the myocarditis may be present in people who were asymptomatic. Say it is mild, but you, an athlete, didn’t know you had it, an continue practicing and playing. Then you’re not taking that 3-6 months off. What happens then? I’m not a doctor, so I don’t know, but I’m assuming the recommendation for time off is related to the possibility that you could do damage to the inflamed heart, turning it into a severe case. And, yes, we are doing weekly testing now, but we hadn’t been before camp, so it’s possible we have players who are in that scenario.
Myocarditis is novel? As stated in the Mayo clinic article, you treat the cause (virus, etc) and symptoms. And in most cases the condition subsides on its own. These athletes, not only here in the US but around the world, get thorough physicals. Protocols should be put in place for blood and heart scans that can diagnose myocarditis if they aren’t already. We are not recreating the wheel with this one. This condition has been around forever and should be treated as such. And it seems the rest of the world and most of this country is subscribing to that view. And certainly the rest will come January.
 
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Myocarditis is novel? As stated in the Mayo clinic article, you treat the cause (virus, etc) and symptoms. And in most cases the condition subsides on its own. These athletes, not only here in the US but around the world, get thorough physicals. Protocols should be put in place for blood and heart scans that can diagnose myocarditis if they aren’t already. We are not recreating the wheel with this one. This condition has been around forever and should be treated as such. And it seems the rest of the world and most of this country is subscribing to that view. And certainly the rest will come January.
No, covid is novel. And it has a wide array of symptoms and attacks the body in multiple unique and bizarre ways, different from most other respiratory illnesses. So, while it could very well be the case that the myocarditis is no big deal, just like with the cold, it seems from what I’ve read to be happening at much higher rates. So it’s plausible, given how little we know, given that it won’t be possible to know until we can complete long-term studies on the effects, that this could cause more moderate to severe myocarditis at higher rates than is typical with other viruses. And given that it’s plausible, perhaps we should approach the situation with caution, rather than flippancy.
 
No, covid is novel. And it has a wide array of symptoms and attacks the body in multiple unique and bizarre ways, different from most other respiratory illnesses. So, while it could very well be the case that the myocarditis is no big deal, just like with the cold, it seems from what I’ve read to be happening at much higher rates. So it’s plausible, given how little we know, given that it won’t be possible to know until we can complete long-term studies on the effects, that this could cause more moderate to severe myocarditis at higher rates than is typical with other viruses. And given that it’s plausible, perhaps we should approach the situation with caution, rather than flippancy.
Is the rest of the sporting world wrong, given what we have tangible proof of in the last few months? Are there references of cardiac events as a result of even the average person exercising six plus months into COVID that would make all physical activity forbidden?
I have read on here to “follow the science”. We have a great deal at our disposal. We are not leading the world at starting athletics. Can we just “follow the science”?
 
No, covid is novel. And it has a wide array of symptoms and attacks the body in multiple unique and bizarre ways, different from most other respiratory illnesses. So, while it could very well be the case that the myocarditis is no big deal, just like with the cold, it seems from what I’ve read to be happening at much higher rates. So it’s plausible, given how little we know, given that it won’t be possible to know until we can complete long-term studies on the effects, that this could cause more moderate to severe myocarditis at higher rates than is typical with other viruses. And given that it’s plausible, perhaps we should approach the situation with caution, rather than flippancy.
And to be clear, I am in no way wanting to be flippant. We know a lot about myocarditis and it can be detected, evaluated and treated, at least treated in the vast majority of cases. But detection is key. And with the resources these programs have at their disposal, it should be fluid.
 
Is the rest of the sporting world wrong, given what we have tangible proof of in the last few months? Are there references of cardiac events as a result of even the average person exercising six plus months into COVID that would make all physical activity forbidden?
I have read on here to “follow the science”. We have a great deal at our disposal. We are not leading the world at starting athletics. Can we just “follow the science”?
which includes road cycling, mountain bike racing and triathlon. the three most cardio-intensive sports to compete in. heck, the people who compete in those disciplines did not stop because of covid, they just stopped competing outdoors.
 
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The Mayo Clinic’s version:
Severe myocarditis can permanently damage your heart muscle, possibly causing:
  • Heart failure. Untreated, myocarditis can damage your heart's muscle so that it can't pump blood effectively. In severe cases, myocarditis-related heart failure may require a ventricular assist device or a heart transplant.
  • Heart attack or stroke. If your heart's muscle is injured and can't pump blood, the blood that pools in your heart can form clots. If a clot blocks one of your heart's arteries, you can have a heart attack. If a blood clot in your heart travels to an artery leading to your brain before becoming lodged, you can have a stroke.
  • Rapid or abnormal heart rhythms (arrhythmias). Damage to your heart muscle can cause arrhythmias.
  • Sudden cardiac death. Certain serious arrhythmias can cause your heart to stop beating (sudden cardiac arrest). It's fatal if not treated immediately.
Since this is a novel virus, we don’t know how serious the heart damage will be and in how many people yet. That uncertainty is the problem. The other problem is that the myocarditis may be present in people who were asymptomatic. Say it is mild, but you, an athlete, didn’t know you had it, an continue practicing and playing. Then you’re not taking that 3-6 months off. What happens then? I’m not a doctor, so I don’t know, but I’m assuming the recommendation for time off is related to the possibility that you could do damage to the inflamed heart, turning it into a severe case. And, yes, we are doing weekly testing now, but we hadn’t been before camp, so it’s possible we have players who are in that scenario.
I think you may be missing that myocarditis is a symptom. It is not a disease. It literally means "heart inflammation." Myocarditis is caused by something. When the something goes away, the inflammation goes away. IF the inflammation is SEVERE and NOT TREATED (if the inflammation is not reduced), the inflammation can cause heart problems. In other words, myocarditis is treated by the "something" going away, or by simply treating the inflammation with anti-inflammatory food or medication.
 
Is the rest of the sporting world wrong, given what we have tangible proof of in the last few months? Are there references of cardiac events as a result of even the average person exercising six plus months into COVID that would make all physical activity forbidden?
I have read on here to “follow the science”. We have a great deal at our disposal. We are not leading the world at starting athletics. Can we just “follow the science”?
The issue is larger than the narrow problem of myocarditis, of course. The rest of the world is restarting sports (without fans, with testing protocols, etc.) because they have been able to contain the virus effectively. We haven’t, for reasons we can’t get into here. I haven’t had much of a problem with MLS and the NBA restarting, because they’ve been able to effectively bubble, and those are professionals who had union representation and a say in the process. These are college students who make no money from this. And, to be clear, money by far and away the primary driver of the decision to play. You’re asking young men, some kids fresh out of high school, to make a serious health decision under heavy pressure and incentive to make the decision that benefits the people making the money.
 
I think you may be missing that myocarditis is a symptom. It is not a disease. It literally means "heart inflammation." Myocarditis is caused by something. When the something goes away, the inflammation goes away. IF the inflammation is SEVERE and NOT TREATED (if the inflammation is not reduced), the inflammation can cause heart problems. In other words, myocarditis is treated by the "something" going away, or by simply treating the inflammation with anti-inflammatory food or medication.
I get that. Fever is a symptom of the flu, but if your fever rises to 105, it can cause brain damage, which is a permanent condition. Covid causes the blood to thicken in many people, which can cause blood clots, pulmonary embolism, stroke, or death, the latter two of which are often permanent. Again, you all could very well be right, and this is the same as it is in other respiratory illnesses, and a very small percentage end up with permanent issues. And I’ve seen this argued both ways by health professionals. In the absence of hard data on the long-term health impacts of a novel virus, maybe we should proceed with caution. That’s all.
 
The issue is larger than the narrow problem of myocarditis, of course. The rest of the world is restarting sports (without fans, with testing protocols, etc.) because they have been able to contain the virus effectively. We haven’t, for reasons we can’t get into here. I haven’t had much of a problem with MLS and the NBA restarting, because they’ve been able to effectively bubble, and those are professionals who had union representation and a say in the process. These are college students who make no money from this. And, to be clear, money by far and away the primary driver of the decision to play. You’re asking young men, some kids fresh out of high school, to make a serious health decision under heavy pressure and incentive to make the decision that benefits the people making the money.
The B1G and PAC10 have cited Myocarditis as the reason they are not playing.
https://www.si.com/college/tmg/tony-barnhart/myocarditis
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nb...g-ten-and-pac-12-postponement-fall-sports?amp

And money isn’t driving this. November 3rd is the tug of war we will continue to see playing out.
 
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I get that. Fever is a symptom of the flu, but if your fever rises to 105, it can cause brain damage, which is a permanent condition. Covid causes the blood to thicken in many people, which can cause blood clots, pulmonary embolism, stroke, or death, the latter two of which are often permanent. Again, you all could very well be right, and this is the same as it is in other respiratory illnesses, and a very small percentage end up with permanent issues. And I’ve seen this argued both ways by health professionals. In the absence of hard data on the long-term health impacts of a novel virus, maybe we should proceed with caution. That’s all.
Caution? As in everything shut down? When will you be comfortable with data to have any sort of athletics? We have a wealth of reference from leagues around the world.
 
The B1G and PAC10 have cited Myocarditis as the reason they are not playing.
https://www.si.com/college/tmg/tony-barnhart/myocarditis
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcsports.com/washington/maryland-terps/how-myocarditis-factored-big-ten-and-pac-12-postponement-fall-sports?amp

And money isn’t driving this. November 3rd is the tug of war we will continue to see playing out.
Ah, I see where this is coming from. If you genuinely believe the world is sabotaging itself in order to potentially influence an election in one country, there’s no sense in trying to have a reasonable conversation. Have a normal one.
 
Ah, I see where this is coming from. If you genuinely believe the world is sabotaging itself in order to potentially influence an election in one country, there’s no sense in trying to have a reasonable conversation. Have a normal one.
Because we know there is no political aspect whatsoever to the decisions made by mayors, governors, congressman, and the media coverage. Right.

And there are politicians, elections, and media everywhere, in every country.

Some states are not sabotaging themselves. Some cities and states clearly are. And it's clear from the DNC convention their main message is: "Bad Orange Man is Destroying Country." And they are beating Covid like a bongo.
 
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Ah, I see where this is coming from. If you genuinely believe the world is sabotaging itself in order to potentially influence an election in one country, there’s no sense in trying to have a reasonable conversation. Have a normal one.
The world isn’t holding up anything due to Myocarditis. Just us. Enjoy your weekend.
 
Ah, I see where this is coming from. If you genuinely believe the world is sabotaging itself in order to potentially influence an election in one country, there’s no sense in trying to have a reasonable conversation. Have a normal one.
:rolleyes::cool:
 
I think you're probably pretty comfy up in the NE. Anyone who thinks that paying those taxes is cool...remember, this is a board based in the South. We think it's possible to have different viewpoints and don't feel like anyone who speaks without "Connecticut Lockjaw" is some sort of crazed "white nationalist", which is highly insulting.
Nice try at the whole southern victim of yankee condescension bit, but I’m about as southern as is genetically possible, and only moved to Connecticut this past year. It is nice up here though. Taxes help pay for things like public schools, which are among the best in the country.
 
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