I agree, over warning and under warning can both be dangerous. But it can be misleading to leave out information when you make a statement. It isn't fair to say something like "the vaccine still transmits after vax" without stating how much less likely studies have shown that is to occur. I don't know why he debated it in the first place. I never said anything a study didn't show.
Decades of research on mRNA vaccines suggest that they will be more safe and effective than previous vaccine methods. I felt comfortable receiving mine.
decades? there has been 30 years of research on mRNA but 25 of that was figuring how they could deliver it before even considering what medicine could be stitched into it.
pfizer on their earnings call to investors lamented that too.
Literally verifies my statement. Vaccinated people still transmit the virus. Obviously true. Even in your bolded font.
Most people, in fact all I have personal experience with voluntarily share this information. By the way it is not a Hippa violation to ask. Private businesses have much more leeway in regards to gathering health information on their employees. How do you think companies like Walmart are allowed to require vaccinations?
No, anyone who has had advanced science classes.
What a great interview. One of his colleagues is someone I talk to occasionally. Guided me to my thoughts on Covid. Stanford MD and epidemiologist, John Ioannidis, was saying similar things early on, but got destroyed by the press.
Harvard Epidemiologist Martin Kulldorff on Vaccine Passports, the Delta Variant, and the COVID ‘Public Health Fiasco’
“Those who are pushing these vaccine mandates and vaccine passports … they're doing so much more damage to vaccine confidence than anybody else,” says Dr. Martin Kulldorff, one of the ...m.theepochtimes.com
I highly recommend anyone interested in all this watch the full interview. It is free to watch. Martin Kulldorff is one of the co-authors of the Great Barrington Declaration which I have referenced earlier in this thread.
His credentials above. Professor of Medicine at Harvard's medical school. An epidemiologist and biostatician. Helped the CDC develop their vaccine safety protocols. Just might be worth listening to.
The gene splicing crispr technology used was first developed around 2011-2012. It was highly controversial, with the religious right trying to shut it down. Even the scientific community has misgivings. Then Dolly the Sheep was cloned using the technology and the criticism went into overdrive. A young Chinese scientist used it in babies to produce a mutant gene giving protection against HIV and other viral infections. The parents had HIV. He was sentenced to 4 years in jail.
What is insane is how quick people who are following the narrative are quick to go to personal attacks because they have nothing against the substance of what they are saying.
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And how quickly the narrative changed. Mission creep is the term someone used. First it was protect the hospitals from being overrun, then protect Grandma and now eradicate the virus. Started off reasonable and quickly went into fantasy land.
The main talking point should be that both are highly effective against hospitalization/death from Delta variant. People don't understand that a vaccine works once the virus has entered the body, not before. Actually getting infected helps your body to react down the line to lots of corona viruses. It's how Chicken Pox and Measles worked before the vaccination (After 1950 with good nutrition, sewage treatment, clean water, access to medical care, etc.) keeping adults safe from those diseases. You would get Chicken Pox as a child, spend a week or so at home and be fine. Then as you aged, you would periodically have the Chicken Pox enter your body and be asymptomatic because your immune system recognized it and killed it.Durability of SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell responses at 12-months post-infection
Background Characterizing the longevity and quality of cellular immune responses to SARS-CoV-2 is critical to understanding immunologic approaches to protection against COVID-19. Prior studies suggest SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells are present in peripheral blood 10 months after infection. Further...www.biorxiv.org
New data suggests Pfizer and Moderna's vaccines may be less effective against Delta
A senior Biden official called the preprint study "a wakeup call."
We are living with Covid. This fantasy that we can vaccinate to eradication is insane.
They were always confident they could deliver results with one to two doses, it’s continued dosing where the wheels fell off and, prior to COVID, never made it beyond phase 2 of a clinical trial.
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We know a lot. We know about efficacy going out a year or so. We know about any short term side effects. We know they are safe. What we don't know is about any possible long term effects. But vaccinations in general don't have a lot of those or really any known. If you don't want to get the vaccination, that is fine. But, the excuse that we don't know about this vaccination is just that an excuse. Sorry, but own it. Frankly, anyone younger than 50-55 and in good health, risk wise, is going to be fine with or without it. But, it does lower the risk of hospitalization or death to effectively 0 in those age groups. With the contagious Delta gone wild in Florida, the risk/reward ratio is definitely in favor of taking it. But, no one is going to make you in Florida, unless its an employer.
You don't have a right to go into a restaurant. You don't have a right to be in the military. You don't have a right to go unvaccinated into schools. Those are rights that do not exist.
agreed with most of this. my main caveat being continued dosing of mRNA drugs, this is where clinical trials of all mRNA drugs has previously stalled and never made it to phase 3.
Yep if anyone is going to find the scientists who disagree with the consensus, it's a far-right podcast.
No, it's because scientists have formed a consensus that disagrees with his viewpoint.
Nope, most coronavirus protective immunity simply doesn't tend to last as long as a lot of other viruses. And that is regardless of how your immunity was acquired.
Your opinion is that we know enough. My opinion is that it is impossible to know enough with such a new product. I’m not one to jump on getting vaccines. I’ve never received a flu shot and have never gotten flu. I’m over 65 and retired so I won’t have to battle with an employer but I sure do support anybody that will stand up to their employer. The last vaccination I received was tetanus 30+ years ago. I may get the shingles vaccine because that has been out for a long time and could be helpful.
Incorrect the entire world coalesced to research this particular vaccine all at once. And just because you don't understand it doesn't mean you should fear it
Well that's silly. Good luck with your constant feelings of subjugation lol while you voice your own thoughts and opinions on the internet.
in florida the case fatality rate is 8.8% for those 65+ vs 0.3% or less for those under 50. regardless of any long term or multiple dosage concerns i might have, people should absolutely consider to get at least the first dose of moderna or pfizer if they are 65+ and realistically the full dose. my same opinion would apply for 55+ really. of course, just my opinion but the demarcation line is very clear and very significant between under 50 and over 50 results.
8.8% mortality rate? That's absolutely terrible holy cow. May those thousands of people who should have never, ever lost their lives so early rest in peace.
