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COVID vaccines still have a long way to go. In order for vaccines to remain most effective, we can't let it become a flu-like situation where there are so many variants that we literally have to guess which ones will be most prevalent in a given year. That said, there will likely be at least a 2nd iteration of the mRNA vaccines. Though they could be a year or two off, they will presumably be more effective.

I would stop being vaccinated when it is inconvenient to get vaccinated. People act like they are so inconvenienced by having to go get a free shot on their own time and terms. Sounds like a bunch of bitching to me. COVID vaccines will likely become an annual routine just like the flu shot. mRNA technology will allow for all mRNA shots to be combined into a single shot. I will visit my doctor for my physical like I do every year, and they will give me a single injection. It doesn't hurt, my life isn't altered in any way shape or form - not then or in the future - and I am protected on some level.
I don't know a single person who isn't vaccinated who uses inconvenience as a reason for their decision.

Your experience of "it doesn't hurt" and "my life isn't altered in any way shape or form" doesn't carry forward to everyone who has received the vaccination as I'm sure you know. I'd be careful not to speak in absolute terms. So far you've had no drawbacks from vaccines, good on you.
 
I don't know a single person who isn't vaccinated who uses inconvenience as a reason for their decision.

Your experience of "it doesn't hurt" and "my life isn't altered in any way shape or form" doesn't carry forward to everyone who has received the vaccination as I'm sure you know. I'd be careful not to speak in absolute terms. So far you've had no drawbacks from vaccines, good on you.
You are suggesting that there may be adverse events linked to the mRNA vaccines. The most common of those would be inflammation of heart muscle tissue. There are a little over 1000 confirmed cases of that, mostly in people 30 years old or younger. The chances of it happening are infinitesimal, and thankfully these forms of heart inflammation are treatable as well.

You asked me for my personal thoughts and I gave you my personal thoughts. I was not speaking for anyone but me.
 
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COVID vaccines still have a long way to go. In order for vaccines to remain most effective, we can't let it become a flu-like situation where there are so many variants that we literally have to guess which ones will be most prevalent in a given year. That said, there will likely be at least a 2nd iteration of the mRNA vaccines. Though they could be a year or two off, they will presumably be more effective.

I would stop being vaccinated when it is inconvenient to get vaccinated. People act like they are so inconvenienced by having to go get a free shot on their own time and terms. Sounds like a bunch of bitching to me. COVID vaccines will likely become an annual routine just like the flu shot. mRNA technology will allow for all mRNA shots to be combined into a single shot. I will visit my doctor for my physical like I do every year, and they will give me a single injection. It doesn't hurt, my life isn't altered in any way shape or form - not then or in the future - and I am protected on some level.
A voice of reason sounds in the darkness.
 
Regeneron says their monoclonal antibody treatment may not work as well against Omicron. Moderna's CEO believes there will be "a material drop" in the company's vaccine efficacy. If true, this would be particularly bad once the variant begins to infect older populations.

BioNTech's CEO said people vaccinated with Comirnaty will most likely be protected from severe illness if infected with Omicron.
May, could, believes, if true and most likely all used in the previous statement. This is exactly why people dont trust what they hear. Why not just say its too early to tell and not strike fear in the population. Unless the intent is fear and more knee jerk reactions in the name of a new variant.

If I was selling a car or rifle and said may, could or might work in certain situations but I wont know until later. I wouldn't be in business long.
 
May, could, believes, if true and most likely all used in the previous statement. This is exactly why people dont trust what they hear. Why not just say its too early to tell and not strike fear in the population. Unless the intent is fear and more knee jerk reactions in the name of a new variant.

If I was selling a car or rifle and said may, could or might work in certain situations but I wont know until later. I wouldn't be in business long.
You mean like this line from this story?

"But public health experts have urged caution, noting that there is as yet no firm evidence that Omicron is more dangerous than previous variants like Delta, which quickly overtook its predecessors in the United States and other countries."



Plenty of stories out there saying, hey, this is an issue, but we don't know yet and don't panic. Cool to ignore that exactly what you complain about is right there in a publication I am sure you dismiss.

But to the larger point, science is never static (thank goodness). You want final answers for a question that we don't have yet. So what is the better course of action? Be cautious or not give a eff about your fellow man or take reasonable precautions. Don't tell me about your freedumb or your research.

It is embarrassing that my university has turned out so many folks who don't understand the very basics of biology, science and research.
 
May, could, believes, if true and most likely all used in the previous statement. This is exactly why people dont trust what they hear. Why not just say its too early to tell and not strike fear in the population. Unless the intent is fear and more knee jerk reactions in the name of a new variant.

If I was selling a car or rifle and said may, could or might work in certain situations but I wont know until later. I wouldn't be in business long.
You are right. How dare I discuss something on a message board. Shame on me.

Then again, you said you wanted to get things out there that we know. That's what we know. We know uncertainty based on guesses. You can't have it both ways.
 
You mean like this line from this story?

"But public health experts have urged caution, noting that there is as yet no firm evidence that Omicron is more dangerous than previous variants like Delta, which quickly overtook its predecessors in the United States and other countries."



Plenty of stories out there saying, hey, this is an issue, but we don't know yet and don't panic. Cool to ignore that exactly what you complain about is right there in a publication I am sure you dismiss.

But to the larger point, science is never static (thank goodness). You want final answers for a question that we don't have yet. So what is the better course of action? Be cautious or not give a eff about your fellow man or take reasonable precautions. Don't tell me about your freedumb or your research.

It is embarrassing that my university has turned out so many folks who don't understand the very basics of biology, science and research.
Yes there are stories out there from many sources that say we don't know. But why push stories about vaccine efficacy and if treatments will work or not? If you don't know don't say anything or state what facts you have. Why say Regeneron might not work when it could work? Why say the Moderna shot might not provide protection when it could? Being cautious isn't being silent its telling people what you know not what you think.
 
Yes there are stories out there from many sources that say we don't know. But why push stories about vaccine efficacy and if treatments will work or not? If you don't know don't say anything or state what facts you have. Why say Regeneron might not work when it could work? Why say the Moderna shot might not provide protection when it could? Being cautious isn't being silent its telling people what you know not what you think.
Sounds like your problem is that you hang your hat on every word everyone says.
 
You are right. How dare I discuss something on a message board. Shame on me.

Then again, you said you wanted to get things out there that we know. That's what we know. We know uncertainty based on guesses. You can't have it both ways.
My point is that the media (all media) is trying to strike fear in people by printing things the way they do. Its a message board and we should say what we want. Lots of good info on here from various perspectives. That's what lacking in the news today. You have good info on here.
 
Sounds like your problem is that you hang your hat on every word everyone says.
Its the opposite actually. This is all discussion fodder like politics and sports. Just stuff to talk about. Important stuff is a different animal.
 
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My point is that the media (all media) is trying to strike fear in people by printing things the way they do. Its a message board and we should say what we want. Lots of good info on here from various perspectives. That's what lacking in the news today. You have good info on here.
It's important that we sift through the BS and use reason and logic to determine what may be plausible and what is confirmed. You are right, the media has a long history of pushing things just to push it. It's how they make their money. But we, as intelligent people, have the ability to think critically to determine what is and isn't important in the moment, and what could be noteworthy.

Imo, when the CEO of Regeneron and Moderna, two of the companies who the world is relying on to save lives, come out with no motive to say what they said, it's something that is certainly noteworthy. They didn't have to say those things, and it's not like it helps their bottom line. When they talk, I listen because they aren't trying to fool anyone with their statements here.
 
Imo, when the CEO of Regeneron and Moderna, two of the companies who the world is relying on to save lives, come out with no motive to say what they said, it's something that is certainly noteworthy.
to play devil's advocate i might disagree with that assumption there is no motive on the premise that they have already sold stockpiles of those medicines to various governments, the cash is in the bank. a tweaked formula is a new sale that might otherwise have been unnecessary.
 
to play devil's advocate i might disagree with that assumption there is no motive on the premise that they have already sold stockpiles of those medicines to various governments, the cash is in the bank. a tweaked formula is a new sale that might otherwise have been unnecessary.
Seems like it would be a risky move. If we want to stick to financials, that statement is more likely to hurt than anything. I think investors are more likely to pull back on Moderna stock due to that statement, especially with BioNTech saying the opposite. Additionally, governments won't buy more stock until more definitive answers are known about Omicron and how the vaccines interact.

Personally, I view this as more of a transparency thing, and the right thing to do as well.
 
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Seems like it would be a risky move. If we want to stick to financials, that statement is more likely to hurt than anything. I think investors are more likely to pull back on Moderna stock due to that statement, especially with BioNTech saying the opposite. Additionally, governments won't buy more stock until more definitive answers are known about Omicron and how the vaccines interact.

Personally, I view this as more of a transparency thing, and the right thing to do as well.
it's a solid counterpoint. the government is well invested in moderna and has been for years. moderna is a one-trick pony with a massively inflated valuation and a finance guy at the helm. it's not uncommon for them to use comments to the press to stir a response with investors.
 
Seems like it would be a risky move. If we want to stick to financials, that statement is more likely to hurt than anything. I think investors are more likely to pull back on Moderna stock due to that statement, especially with BioNTech saying the opposite. Additionally, governments won't buy more stock until more definitive answers are known about Omicron and how the vaccines interact.

Personally, I view this as more of a transparency thing, and the right thing to do as well.
A drop in stock prices initially but they know those prices will rise if a updated vaccine is produced to combat the variant. Risky? Maybe but they know the stock price is going back up eventually.
 
You mean like this line from this story?

"But public health experts have urged caution, noting that there is as yet no firm evidence that Omicron is more dangerous than previous variants like Delta, which quickly overtook its predecessors in the United States and other countries."



Plenty of stories out there saying, hey, this is an issue, but we don't know yet and don't panic. Cool to ignore that exactly what you complain about is right there in a publication I am sure you dismiss.

But to the larger point, science is never static (thank goodness). You want final answers for a question that we don't have yet. So what is the better course of action? Be cautious or not give a eff about your fellow man or take reasonable precautions. Don't tell me about your freedumb or your research.

It is embarrassing that my university has turned out so many folks who don't understand the very basics of biology, science and research.

freedumb? Crazy. But I do agree that the science isn’t conclusive. I just think it cuts the other way. Disagreement should be fine—and it’s part of the process. The efficacy of the vax against different variants is unknown, the long term effects of the vax are unknown, and whether breakthrough immunity is as robust as natural immunity is unknown. Tough to say people don’t give an eff about their fellow man with those lingering questions. “The science isn’t settled so we must mandate vaccines” isn’t persuasive.
 
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