More proceedings will be conducted to determine specific charges against specific persons. The deceased student apparently had a BAC of 7X the legal limit. Such a tragedy on so many levels.
Grand Jury Authorizes Charges Against FSU Frat Members
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a .56 BAC? That is insane, especially if someone is not used to drinking, I am shocked that he was concious after a .30.
Saw something yesterday that said .447 or .474. I thought the same thing about being conscious. Maybe he funneled some type of concoction or chugged it?
Interesting tweets yesterday by several reporters at the courthouse. Frat members in the hallway outside the court room playing the theme song from Law and Order over and over; being asked to quiet down as they were carrying on loudly; telling reporters they'll only speak to media members with the largest circulations; . . .
No harm. It's not like somebody died . . . oh wait . . .
No harm. It's not like somebody died . . . oh wait . . .
That was at autopsy. They said at time of death it was the higher number.
Yeah they’re not helping their cause there. Behavior described as glib, secretive and lacking integrity. Again, according to the presentment.
No winners in this one.
No winners in this one.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but once the heart stops, the BAC at the time of death would be the same as with the autopsy, which could be days later.
Another thing, and I'm not sure if the autopsy showed it, but was there any adder all or coke involved where the kid might have had the feeling that he can drink all night.
And using a funnel with half a fifth of Jack a couple of times came to my mind, also.
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That is the most disturbing thing that I have read in a long time. As people know, I lost my 16 year old son, two years ago, and if this kid was my son, and I saw those kids act like that, there would have been a riot in the courthouse.
His BAC was likely higher as one would assume he didn't die immediately. What I saw on GMA this morning is he passed out on the sofa and when they went to wake him the next morning, he had no pulse. We will never know just how high his BAC was at the peak, but 0.4+ is just insane.
Youth is wasted on the young as the saying goes.
My guess is somebody’s ass is going to be in the DA’s briefcase before all is said and done.
I would also imagine that when they’re standing tall before the man they lose the glib bravado.
Kids do stupid things when they leave home, been there, done that. Johnny Ohio passes away because he drank to much, and was probably hazed, I get it. A group of 19 year olds, possibly facing charges and don't want the rest of their lives ruined, I get it. Not saying sorry, under advice of their attorney, I get it. I cringe at the manner of what they did in the courthouse, no compassion or remorse, I am dumbfounded and clueless, I don't get it. Throw the book at them now!
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You are asking the wrong person. I was just repeating what the ME testified to.
Watched the video on local news and couldn't help but notice so many of those guys had attorneys at their side. Some seemed to not take in the situation with the appropriate level of concern.
Truth be told, I'm just not sure many will face severe consequences.
Truth be told, I'm just not sure many will face severe consequences.
Bad decisions compounding bad decisions and seemingly unaware of the serious situation they are in. Just what I would expect of college aged meatheads who likely come from money.
If the attitude in the court house is accurate these guys need a beating and hopefully they see the inside of a prison and receive all the benefits that prison is famous for.
In an article in the Tallahassee Democrat, it's quite telling that when the young man was found unresponsive, "pledges called five fraternity members before calling 911, resulting in an 11-minute delay before medical help arrived."
So, think about that against the background of frat members clowning it up at the court house.
So, think about that against the background of frat members clowning it up at the court house.
People thought the Pikes would never be allowed back on campus. Not only are they back, they are the biggest fraternity on campus.
College age = kids in their late teens. I get what you're trying to say, but money may have little to do with the situation.
Meathead decisions are pretty common in that age group regardless of their background.
Ever watched First 48?
My roommate was a Pi Kappa Phi back in the mid-90s. Those guys weren't particularly wealthy. They also weren't the type to kill one of their pledges, either.
This. Also, when kids in this age group are together in a pack, they act differently than they do one-on-one. It's just a reality. Sometimes that "group act" is not appealing -- and in some instances it can be downright offensive -- but it does not mean the kids are hardened criminals. I hate this whole incident like the plague, and I suspect some kids may not have acted well before, during or after the horrible event. But I still am not sure that a crime was committed. Maybe one was, but let's see what plays out before final conclusions are reached.
You are correct. But what if the underage drinker "provided" the alcohol to himself? I hasten to add that I have no personal knowledge of whatever happened during this horrible tragedy.....but it is not unusual for these things to essentially be BYOB.
Not that it matters, but he was likely already dead. Calling 911 should always be first priority..
I agree that he was probably already deceased when they found him. The calls to the other frat members were done in panic and probably asking "what should we do?"
When we found my son, he was already deceased and pure panic and fear set in, but we sure as f*** called 911 instantly while we took turns performing CPR.
Maybe its time for schools to add a safety talk at orientation. What to do if you find someone passed out/unconscious. What the repercussions can be if you do nothing. Nothing major, just 5 or 10 minutes.
Sounds like common sense, but its obvious many have forgotten to teach their children common sense and decency anymore.
Sounds like common sense, but its obvious many have forgotten to teach their children common sense and decency anymore.
Read article again. Wild Turkey 101 was provided. Traditionally the big brother buys the booze/drink of choice.
I don't know that there will be a scapegoat/sacrificial lamb like expected. A decent defense attorney will argue that the deceased had an onus of self preservation, or reasonable expectation to maintain his well being. That is to say, the percentages of responsibility might not be as much on the frat as it is on the pledge to not overindulge. He could've stopped anytime. It was his decision to consume the bottle of Wild Turkey. By the time the frat members realized he was dead, it was too late.
Don't mistake my argument though. It is reprehensible what happened. And the frat members should be more respectful in the courthouse.
This is just tragic all the way around.
I think of being at FSU in the day...doing all the party and fraternity stuff. All the heavy drinking...the thought of someone dying never crossed my mind.
I now have one kid in college and another to go next year...please, please don't do the stupid things I did...I was "lucky" that nothing truly bad happened.
I think of being at FSU in the day...doing all the party and fraternity stuff. All the heavy drinking...the thought of someone dying never crossed my mind.
I now have one kid in college and another to go next year...please, please don't do the stupid things I did...I was "lucky" that nothing truly bad happened.
Stupid Pet Tricks seem to be prevalent on campuses everywhere, and I think all of us either performed them or at the very least witnessed them. We tell our kids not to do them but when you're young, you're immortal- until you're not. The sadness I feel for his parents is deep and sincere.
There but for the grace of God go I...
I read the fraternity had all the pledges drinking heavily the night of, over a dozen had vomited.
I drank A LOT while at FSU, but I can honestly say I never did anything like chug a bottle of liquor. I would drink beer all day and night with the occasional shot and mixed drink.
I can’t recall ever throwing up, not saying I didn’t, but I don’t have story where I knew I was consuming to much and was destined to vomit. I would try to avoid that happening.
Never recall trying to get others sideways drunk either. Not in a way where I knew they would be puking.
I drank A LOT while at FSU, but I can honestly say I never did anything like chug a bottle of liquor. I would drink beer all day and night with the occasional shot and mixed drink.
I can’t recall ever throwing up, not saying I didn’t, but I don’t have story where I knew I was consuming to much and was destined to vomit. I would try to avoid that happening.
Never recall trying to get others sideways drunk either. Not in a way where I knew they would be puking.
I think Florida has a 911 Good Samaritan Act that I think allows people to obtain help for a drug overdose without the risk of being prosecuted for simple drug possession. Maybe something as simple as modifying this law to include suspected alcohol poisoning would be something to think about. Then educate everyone on what the law is should they ever need to call for help.
In pretty much all these fraternity issues lately, it has been the fear of getting in trouble that has led to people not calling for help. I know that calling for help should always be the first thought, but as has been pointed out, these are teenagers and young adults we are dealing with.
In pretty much all these fraternity issues lately, it has been the fear of getting in trouble that has led to people not calling for help. I know that calling for help should always be the first thought, but as has been pointed out, these are teenagers and young adults we are dealing with.
Yeah nothing good out of this affair. It’s an unfortunate sequence of decisions that ended in tragedy.
Lord knows I could put em away back then. Hell I was on a first name basis with some of the guys at Pugs. They sold beer in gallon jugs.
Of course back then 18 was the legal age.
As to the law in this case, there will almost certainly be shared liability.
The majority of which will be borne by those that provided for and or facilitated the events that led to a young man dying.
In other words, had they not provided the booze, as well as the house to consume said booze, most likely the kid is still living.
Somebody’s ass is grass.
I think Greek life in general is bearing the brunt to the bad publicity.More negative national exposure for FSU. Yay.
