Grand Jury Authorizes Charges Against FSU Frat Members
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Yes, but 10 years from now, the national chapter will begin the process of trying to bring the chapter back. The Pikes committed an atrocious and unthinkable act. They were permanently banned from campus. Somehow, somebody thought it would be a good idea to let them back on campus.
Have you ever seen a list of their FSU alums? You shouldn't be surprised.
Actually I've met a number of their alums from different eras (not the specific group you refer to) and they are collectively a very likable group who tend to be successful and loyal supporters of our University. The same can be said of the Pi Kaps and other fraternities who have been in hot water from time to time.
This never excuses bad behavior, but I doubt any of their alumni would make that claim anyway.
We obviously will see. I don't recall the entire Greek life being suspended with that incident like this latest one. While that incident years ago was reprehensible, a person died here. That is why I am guessing it will be exceedingly difficult for that frat to ever get back on campus.
Oh man...that is a shame. Prayers for those boys. I know they did a bad thing, but this is about to become very real for them and families.
There will be no winners in this tragedy. Life-changing event for everyone involved. Sad.
It should become very real for them and their families. Curious if there will the same clowning around and laughing it up by the frat members for the trial as there was for the grand jury.
Where did you read or see they were laughing it up and clowning around in front of a grand jury?
It was mentioned in the first day on this thread, but he didn't link to a report. However it was observed by reports (per his earlier post).
My impression from previous posts was that some said they got the feeling that the young men who showed up did not display what some felt was an appropriate level of remorse or sadness over the death of their pledge. I saw the news report and didn't see anyone laughing, but I didn't see tears flowing, either.
I am seeing online reports that all nine have been arrested now.
Also seeing that February 1st is now the target date for restoring Greek activities. I've heard that some of the sorority nationals are beginning to question a continued suspension.
Hopefully lessons have been learned because of a tragic incident.
I am seeing online reports that all nine have been arrested now.
Also seeing that February 1st is now the target date for restoring Greek activities. I've heard that some of the sorority nationals are beginning to question a continued suspension.
Hopefully lessons have been learned because of a tragic incident.
It was tweeted about by several members of the media at the first grand jury hearing. Two members were witnessed playing the Law and Order theme and laughing outside of the grand jury.
Not trying to be confrontational but why should the FSU administration care about the national charters questioning the decisions they make for the university?
I was thinking the same. My best guess would be to avoid any legal action.
Correct. The organizations that have not been accused of any wrong doing have rights. You can’t just suspend them all indefinitely.
I think these would be the conversations their attorneys would want to go to court about.
I would think that is already established by law. Maybe they do have the "right". I just don't know.
Exactly. On average, 60% of all alumni donations nationwide come from those who are members of Greek Letter Organizations (GLO). At some schools it's more.
There are several women's Greek organizations who have been at FSU for more than a hundred years. I'm not aware of any who have been directly - or indirectly - responsible for the death of a member while at any of their functions.
The national headquarters of these groups have been more than cooperative with President Thrasher's edict. Time was needed to reset expectations regarding the general atmosphere surrounding the culture of drinking at fraternity events, and everyone acknowledges that. But those houses, built OFF CAMPUS, still have bills to pay. As members graduate, their ranks must be replenished in order to maintain their presence.
But to permanently ban Greek life at FSU would be a very drastic step that the University would quickly come to regret. Lay down the law, by all means. But banishment is not the way to go.
This. Thrasher is trying find the right balance between (a) doing the politically correct thing that the public now expects or demands, and (b) not alienating one of FSU’s most vital sources of charitable donations. Rest assured that he is very mindful of both sides of this see-saw.
I found out that one of my nephew's best friends was the victim of hazing at Radford in Virginia his first few weeks as a freshman. He passed out and these guys thought it would be funny to brand his butt with a hot clothes iron. It's going to require multiple surgeries and skin grafts. Seventeen got arrested and his family is filing lawsuits.
http://www.newsadvance.com/news/sta...cle_0e372ed1-ab5b-518c-b984-731ea0ce193c.html
http://www.newsadvance.com/news/sta...cle_0e372ed1-ab5b-518c-b984-731ea0ce193c.html
http://www.newsadvance.com/news/sta...cle_0e372ed1-ab5b-518c-b984-731ea0ce193c.html
http://www.newsadvance.com/news/sta...cle_0e372ed1-ab5b-518c-b984-731ea0ce193c.html
Damn indeed: looking back we gave out a lot of, “hot foots”.
Did anyone else do these?
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Just looked on YouTube...hoot foots don’t exists.
If you don’t know what a hot foot is, it’s this; when someone passes out, you take off their shoe and sock (sometimes we would cut the end of the sock exposing the toes only). You then stick a match in between their toes. Then Light match and watch it burn down. At some point they will start slowly kicking and then within seconds they will be up and jumping kicking foot trying like hell to get the match to stop burning.
Always made for a good late night drunk laugh. Never permanently hurt anyone either, maybe a blister for a couple days in between the toes that were burned at the most. Could keep one from wearing flip flops for a day or two.
If you don’t know what a hot foot is, it’s this; when someone passes out, you take off their shoe and sock (sometimes we would cut the end of the sock exposing the toes only). You then stick a match in between their toes. Then Light match and watch it burn down. At some point they will start slowly kicking and then within seconds they will be up and jumping kicking foot trying like hell to get the match to stop burning.
Always made for a good late night drunk laugh. Never permanently hurt anyone either, maybe a blister for a couple days in between the toes that were burned at the most. Could keep one from wearing flip flops for a day or two.
As others have noted, a reporter from the Tallahassee Democrat and one from WCTV reported frat members joking and laughing in the hallway outside the grand jury room, playing the Law and Order theme repeatedly, and telling reporters they would only talk to media with the largest circulation.
Meanwhile, two more frats suspended today at FSU for hazing, including hazing that occurred in the days after the young man died. Wash, rinse, repeat.
How will they eat their sushi without wine?
If they wanted to punish the fraternities, they would ban Asian students.
http://www.thetakappaphi.com/#our-sisterhood
If they wanted to punish the fraternities, they would ban Asian students.
http://www.thetakappaphi.com/#our-sisterhood
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The Constitution for one reason. All organizations, unless doing something illegal, have the right to assemble. You can just ban an organization because you don't like it. This is America for God's sake.
They don't have the right to assemble on property owned by others without the owners permission.
Agree. Every Sorority at FSU is on private property, not University property. Same for the fraternities at Heritage Grove.
So is the argument really about banning organizations from FSU or about the hazing at the organizations?
Ultimately who is responsible here? Is it the young man who chose to drink himself into oblivion? Is it the young men who put on the social pressure to get the guy to drink his way into their organization? Is it the University for not policing well enough to ensure the safety of its students? Is it the organization for creating a culture that believes this behavior is acceptable?
If all Greek orgs are banned they'll do what they do somewhere else. I also have no doubt that more than Greek orgs are also hazing. The question is then, why haze at all? Are we so base as a creature that we have to "prove" our worth by doing dumb stuff to be accepted?
Mind you, I'm not pointing fingers as I feel it's an entire system and culture fail here. What's really the remedy to this? How do we prevent this from happening? Can we ever really prevent it?
Ultimately who is responsible here? Is it the young man who chose to drink himself into oblivion? Is it the young men who put on the social pressure to get the guy to drink his way into their organization? Is it the University for not policing well enough to ensure the safety of its students? Is it the organization for creating a culture that believes this behavior is acceptable?
If all Greek orgs are banned they'll do what they do somewhere else. I also have no doubt that more than Greek orgs are also hazing. The question is then, why haze at all? Are we so base as a creature that we have to "prove" our worth by doing dumb stuff to be accepted?
Mind you, I'm not pointing fingers as I feel it's an entire system and culture fail here. What's really the remedy to this? How do we prevent this from happening? Can we ever really prevent it?
If found guilty, put the young men involved in jail. Maybe, FSU and/or the parents, go after the national fraternity and/or local members involved for damages. Ban the fraternity house responsible.
Spare the rod spoil the child.
That seems to be a different argument. FSU is a publicly funded university. They can’t ban one organization (if they’ve done nothing wrong) while allowing other similar student organizations to operate.
Being publically funded doesn't allow anyone from the public to do as they wish on FSU property.
Again, sororities are NOT on FSU property, and they are in no way implicated in this young man's death. I am not absolutely certain that Heritage Grove is University property, but I'm sure phideltfg might know, since they have a house there.
I would be hesitant to speak in absolutes when discussing US Constitution Law--especially when applied to public schools and universities.
