Here we go again? Hurricane Maria

[ReliableOstrich]

Bacardi, you're a nice guy on these boards but I gotta say you and all your New Yorker buds need to do the I95NB shuffle.
You can post there too. Or just stop in Carolina like the growing crowd of "halfbacks".
Too damn many of "youse" people - @damyankee

First, thank you for the kind words, we've done battle a few times over the years but the respect is mutual.

I was born and raised in Tally till 18 and in FL till 21, lived in SF till I was 24, NYC for the last 13. I'm not a yankee and I'm not a southerner. To be honest, I've never understood the need to classify oneself as one or the other. It's divisive, arbitrary, and propagates the opposite of what we should be doing.

It's not impossible to love NYC, Tallahassee, FSU, SF, and any number of things that to many folks seem diametrically opposed only because people say they ought to be.

Folks love playing 'team sports' with things that have nothing to do with teams or sports.

 

[RTM58]

Gotta wonder if, after this hurricane season, we see significant long term depopulation of several of these Caribbean islands.

After getting run through by 3 storms in a 2.5 week span and projections of sustained warmer seas I don't know that I'd want to stick around and if I'm a company in hospitality/tourism, I'm not sure that I'd want to sink a bunch of capital into the region just to see it go unused 3-4 weeks a year and badly damaged once every 4-5 years.

This maybe one of the larger population shifts of our lifetimes, esp with close proximity to the US.

In a few years I maybe saying the same thing about the entire state of Florida. As a (transplant) New Yorker, I know our time isn't far off either.

Won't happen.....evah!

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

First, thank you for the kind words, we've done battle a few times over the years but the respect is mutual.

I was born and raised in Tally till 18 and in FL till 21, lived in SF till I was 24, NYC for the last 13. I'm not a yankee and I'm not a southerner. To be honest, I've never understood the need to classify oneself as one or the other. It's divisive, arbitrary, and propagates the opposite of what we should be doing.

I guess that makes you a transmetropolitan.

 

[Spearhead04]

175 mph. I have co-workers in the vi and pr. This is bad news.

 

[seminole97]

Weather Station LTBV3 - 9751401 - Lime Tree Bay, St. Croix, VI

 

[JohnnieHolmesNole]

Gotta wonder if, after this hurricane season, we see significant long term depopulation of several of these Caribbean islands.

After getting run through by 3 storms in a 2.5 week span and projections of sustained warmer seas I don't know that I'd want to stick around and if I'm a company in hospitality/tourism, I'm not sure that I'd want to sink a bunch of capital into the region just to see it go unused 3-4 weeks a year and badly damaged once every 4-5 years.

This maybe one of the larger population shifts of our lifetimes, esp with close proximity to the US.

In a few years I maybe saying the same thing about the entire state of Florida. As a (transplant) New Yorker, I know our time isn't far off either.

Would be awesome if lots of our transplants went "home." Florida was a far better place before they got here. The one thing this storm taught us is that Florida was never intended to house 20MM people.

 

[EveryoneBleedsGarnet]

We should send all of the New Yorkers back to their country, amiright?

 

[Bill From Tampa]

So there is the storm blasting Puerto Rico with winds that can move cars driving on the road or send pedestrians into the air as one reporter there mentioned this AM. And where do they have him reporting from? Why out on the street of coourse with him barely able to stand upright b/c of the wind. He better be getting triple his usual pay for that.

 

[goldmom]

Would be awesome if lots of our transplants went "home." Florida was a far better place before they got here. The one thing this storm taught us is that Florida was never intended to house 20MM people.

Preach it big man. The geography alone tells us we're challenged in disbursing evacuees in a timely fashion.
And the Keys should not be zoned for the density that would permit manufactured homes, either.

 

[ReliableOstrich]

Would be awesome if lots of our transplants went "home." Florida was a far better place before they got here. The one thing this storm taught us is that Florida was never intended to house 20MM people.

I'm sure the Native Americans would say the same thing. Life was a lot better without all those diseases, genocides, and Disney.

Before you ask to send others packing, remember you're a transplant with no right to draw an arbitrary line on who stays, who goes, and when it was "a far better place". American history on the peninsula is but a blip on history's radar.

 

[LesClaypool]

Methinks plenty of "Floridians" (as if there are many real Floridians to begin with) wouldn't know what to do once their home values plummeted and their property taxes skyrocketed due to a sudden, mass exodus of Yankees (since apparently Texans that move here don't count for some reason???)

A simple "Thank you" would suffice.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Above: VIIRS infrared satellite image of Hurricane Maria moving just west of St. Croix while at Cat 5 strength at 2:13 am EDT Wednesday, September 20, 2017. Image credit: NOAA/CIMMS/UM-Madison.

Ferocious Hurricane Maria made landfall around 6:15 am EDT Wednesday near Yabucoa in far southeast Puerto Rico as a top-end Category 4 storm, with peak sustained winds estimated at 155 mph.

Maria was the second strongest hurricane ever recorded to hit Puerto Rico, behind only the 1928 San Felipe Segundo hurricane, which killed 328 people on the island and caused catastrophic damage. Puerto Rico’s main island has also been hit by two other Category 4 hurricanes, the 1932 San Ciprian Hurricane, and the 1899 San Ciriaco Hurricane.

• In terms of top sustained wind, Maria is the fifth strongest hurricane on record to hit the U.S. behind only the four Cat 5s to hit the country (Hurricane Andrew of 1992 in South Florida, Hurricane Camille of 1969 in Mississippi, the Labor Day Hurricane of 1935 in the Florida Keys, and the 1928 hurricane in Puerto Rico.)
• In terms of lowest atmospheric pressure at landfall, Maria (917 mb) ranks third in U.S. records behind only the 1935 Labor Day Hurricane and Camille.
• Maria's landfall at Category 4 strength gives the U.S. a record three Category 4+ landfalls this year (Maria, Harvey, and Irma). The previous record was two such landfalls, set in 1992 (Cat 5 Andrew in Florida, and Cat 4 Iniki in Hawaii.)

Maria did not hit Puerto Rico as a Category 5 hurricane, thanks to an eyewall replacement cycle (ERC) that began on Tuesday night. The storm’s “pinhole” eye, less than 10 miles wide, was supplemented by an outer eyewall that contracted around the smaller one. The process helped lead to the slight weakening of Maria’s top winds, but it also likely broadened its core of winds topping 100 mph.

https://www.wunderground.com/cat6/maria-slams-st-croix-now-ripping-across-puerto-rico

 

[CC0492]

Methinks plenty of "Floridians" (as if there are many real Floridians to begin with) wouldn't know what to do once their home values plummeted and their property taxes skyrocketed due to a sudden, mass exodus of Yankees (since apparently Texans that move here don't count for some reason???)

A simple "Thank you" would suffice.

LOL

 

[ReliableOstrich]

Methinks plenty of "Floridians" (as if there are many real Floridians to begin with) wouldn't know what to do once their home values plummeted and their property taxes skyrocketed due to a sudden, mass exodus of Yankees (since apparently Texans that move here don't count for some reason???)

A simple "Thank you" would suffice.

^^ He's right ^^

 

[cmanole]

 

[JohnnieHolmesNole]

Methinks plenty of "Floridians" (as if there are many real Floridians to begin with) wouldn't know what to do once their home values plummeted and their property taxes skyrocketed due to a sudden, mass exodus of Yankees (since apparently Texans that move here don't count for some reason???)

A simple "Thank you" would suffice.

Thank you for what?? Obnoxious retirees fomenting the development of crappy subdivisions located in the middle of BFE, where they pay no (meaningful) taxes but demand that "New Yawk" fire, police and rescue services be catered to them in said BFE??? The same retirees who bring their grandkids down here and slap them in our public schools?? The same folks who have no idea how to drive?? The same folks who are largely rude and obnoxious in their day-to-day affairs??

Nah, sorry. Don't "need" any of you.

 

[PoopandBoogers]

I'm sure the Native Americans would say the same thing. Life was a lot better without all those diseases, genocides, and Disney.

Before you ask to send others packing, remember you're a transplant with no right to draw an arbitrary line on who stays, who goes, and it was "a far better place". American history on the peninsula is but a blip on history's radar.

Says the privileged cisgender male whose username is culturally insentive towards the patriarchal and nationalistically caused alcohol dependence of indigenous natives.

By your cultural misappropriation and humorlessly shortening the tribal name of a proud, obscure minority group, you are an enabler of misogynistic stereotypes that only perpetrate further triggering and microagression by your mansplaining.

Spoiler

Did I do that right?

 

[LesClaypool]

Thank you for what?? Obnoxious retirees fomenting the development of crappy subdivisions located in the middle of BFE, where they pay no (meaningful) taxes but demand that "New Yawk" fire, police and rescue services be catered to them in said BFE??? The same retirees who bring their grandkids down here and slap them in our public schools?? The same folks who have no idea how to drive?? The same folks who are largely rude and obnoxious in their day-to-day affairs??

Nah, sorry. Don't "need" any of you.

As a bona fide Connecticut Yankee, I'm more refined than those folks from NY for whom you have such disdain...but the content of my post remains true. Florida couldn't exist without all of its transplants.

Also, just curious...not that it changes anything, but are you a Florida native, Johnnie? There are so few that I'm genuinely surprised whenever I meet one.

 

[ReliableOstrich]

Says the privileged cisgender male whose username is culturally insentive towards the patriarchal and nationalistically caused alcohol dependence of indigenous natives.

By your cultural misappropriation and humorlessly shortening the tribal name of a proud, obscure minority group, you are an enabler of misogynistic stereotypes that only perpetrate further triggering and microagression by your mansplaining.

Spoiler

Did I do that right?

Sweet string of buzzwords man. Not that it matters, I never asked a bunch of people to head back to where they came from, so it's not really my hypocrisy that's being discussed here. May want to stay in your lane on this one.

 

[goldmom]

Methinks plenty of "Floridians" (as if there are many real Floridians to begin with) wouldn't know what to do once their home values plummeted and their property taxes skyrocketed due to a sudden, mass exodus of Yankees (since apparently Texans that move here don't count for some reason???)

A simple "Thank you" would suffice.

Honey bun, I'm a Florida girl. I LIVED in Texas for almost 20 years, though.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Make Florida Great Again!


Seriously though...
I was born and raised in FL and back in the 70s and 80s the retirees from the northeast were largely centered in Broward and Palm Beach counties. Never bothered me that someone wanted to get out of Buffalo or Philadelphia. Is it that different these days that these particular folks generate such ire, or is it the population increase generally?

 

[SoddyNole]

Make Florida Great Again!

I did my time got the hell out of there. Guess you can add that in the plus column for the state.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

I did my time got the hell out of there. Guess you can add that in the plus column for the state.

Yes, I've been away for 20+ years and have no desire to move back.

 

[JohnnieHolmesNole]

As a bona fide Connecticut Yankee, I'm more refined than those folks from NY for whom you have such disdain...but the content of my post remains true. Florida couldn't exist without all of its transplants.

Also, just curious...not that it changes anything, but are you a Florida native, Johnnie? There are so few that I'm genuinely surprised whenever I meet one.

My family has been here since 1870. We survived pretty well before any of the transplants got down here.

 

[LesClaypool]

Truth be told, I'm taking up for the transplants who moved here in this thread, but I want out myself.

Someday!

 

[321Nole]

I was born in New Jersey!

 

[RTM58]

Methinks plenty of "Floridians" (as if there are many real Floridians to begin with) wouldn't know what to do once their home values plummeted and their property taxes skyrocketed due to a sudden, mass exodus of Yankees (since apparently Texans that move here don't count for some reason???)

Reminds me of this.....

 

[NDallasRuss]

In a Washington Post email I got:

"News Alert: Puerto Rico is entirely without power as Hurricane Maria hammers the island with a force not seen in ‘modern history’"

Puerto Rico is ENTIRELY without power. Like the entire island/territory is without electricity. This is unimaginable to me.

 

[seminole97]

Let's get this thread back on track!

 

[RTM58]

In a Washington Post email I got:

"News Alert: Puerto Rico is entirely without power as Hurricane Maria hammers the island with a force not seen in ‘modern history’"

Puerto Rico is ENTIRELY without power. Like the entire island/territory is without electricity. This is unimaginable to me.

Well, they were having some financial difficulties prehurricane.

 

[noleclone2]

In a Washington Post email I got:

"News Alert: Puerto Rico is entirely without power as Hurricane Maria hammers the island with a force not seen in ‘modern history’"

Puerto Rico is ENTIRELY without power. Like the entire island/territory is without electricity. This is unimaginable to me.

Also hearing officials say there will be large parts of island with no power fro 3-6 months. Months!!!!!!

 

[littleitch1]

Wish I was called "honey bun"!

Sigh...

 

[CC0492]

In a Washington Post email I got:

"News Alert: Puerto Rico is entirely without power as Hurricane Maria hammers the island with a force not seen in ‘modern history’"

Puerto Rico is ENTIRELY without power. Like the entire island/territory is without electricity. This is unimaginable to me.

3.3 million people and not a single kilowatt to spare.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

I wonder if the aid will flow as freely as for Harvey and Irma. Will be interesting.

 

[DFSNOLE]

Also hearing officials say there will be large parts of island with no power for 3-6 months. Months!!!!!!

Makes the whining we heard about even 3-6 hours seem kind of petty.

 

[JohnnieHolmesNole]

In a Washington Post email I got:

"News Alert: Puerto Rico is entirely without power as Hurricane Maria hammers the island with a force not seen in ‘modern history’"

Puerto Rico is ENTIRELY without power. Like the entire island/territory is without electricity. This is unimaginable to me.

Much looting, you think?

 

[seminole97]

Eye wall has moved off PR to the northwest. This data is from a weather station on the northwest coast:

 

[billanole]

Methinks plenty of "Floridians" (as if there are many real Floridians to begin with) wouldn't know what to do once their home values plummeted and their property taxes skyrocketed due to a sudden, mass exodus of Yankees (since apparently Texans that move here don't count for some reason???)

A simple "Thank you" would suffice.

You lost me at the home values and taxes skyrocketing part. We bought our house to live in, not as an investment. When a society values shelter more as a get rich gig, rather than a home/community/protection component, it will eventually turn people out into the streets because they can't "afford" housing. Take your home values and leave "real Floridians" alone.
The exploitation of Florida real estate for riches will be her doom, as many of us predicted decades ago.
My folks lost property to Ed Ball during the depression due to not being able to pay taxes. They also have a single digit permit to sell dairy products, which means we were one of the ten first milk producers. We were early, but not native. There are real Floridians amongst the native population, and then next there are those pre air conditioner and canal/dredging of wetlands.
Who should we say "Thank you" to for for destroying a way of life and an amazing natural system?

 

[billanole]

Much looting, you think?

Would you scavenge to eat and drink in that predicament?

 

[LesClaypool]

You lost me at the home values and taxes skyrocketing part. We bought our house to live in, not as an investment. When a society values shelter more as a get rich gig, rather than a home/community/protection component, it will eventually turn people out into the streets because they can't "afford" housing. Take your home values and leave "real Floridians" alone.
The exploitation of Florida real estate for riches will be her doom, as many of us predicted decades ago.
My folks lost property to Ed Ball during the depression due to not being able to pay taxes. They also have a single digit permit to sell dairy products, which means we were one of the ten first milk producers. We were early, but not native. There are real Floridians amongst the native population, and then next there are those pre air conditioner and canal/dredging of wetlands.
Who should we say "Thank you" to for for destroying a way of life and an amazing natural system?

Might've lost you (which really only means you ignored economics) but what I've said remains true.

Quit pretending it isn't.