Is it possible to discuss gun control, the issue of mass shootings...

[SKSnole]

my question to everyone here is about the police who showed up later. From discussions over the years here in the LR, my understanding was that the tactic the cops would take normally would be to contain the situation, take up a position and wait. This appears to be what they did. However when I do searches for this, I'm seeing they supposedly changed after Columbine. I realize this is probably a city by city or county by county policy, but when they review the actions of the police who showed up, my guess is they acted within their SOP. Whether that needs to change is another question.

What say you?

Active shooter = they are supposed to go in. No ifs, ands, or buts.

 

[Formerly Rockymtnole]

Existing are likely to be grandfathered, so probably the best investment of 2018 is go long on long magazines.

Grandfathered for current owner but unlawful to transfer after law goes into effect.
Nearly unenforceable but would prevent new owners of hi cap mags.

One workaround is mag kits - 30 rd AR or AK mags sold in pieces that can be easily assembled or intact with limiting pins that can be easily removed.

 

[seminole97]

my question to everyone here is about the police who showed up later. From discussions over the years here in the LR, my understanding was that the tactic the cops would take normally would be to contain the situation, take up a position and wait. This appears to be what they did. However when I do searches for this, I'm seeing they supposedly changed after Columbine. I realize this is probably a city by city or county by county policy, but when they review the actions of the police who showed up, my guess is they acted within their SOP. Whether that needs to change is another question.

What say you?

You’re right it changed after Columbine. Supposed to form a small team or even go alone, but go ASAP.

Them dudes were scared, and rightfully so. .223 doesn’t punch through a lot like larger rounds, but I suspect none of them had on anything to protect them from a rifle round.

 

[seminole97]

One workaround is mag kits - 30 rd AR or AK mags sold in pieces that can be easily assembled or intact with limiting pins that can be easily removed.

3D printer...
Link

 

[FSU_UCLA]

I have a lot of overlapping circles in the Venn diagram of gun violence: grew up around guns and remember gun racks in the high school parking lot; experienced shootings at school as a kid; my career has been devoted to understanding the causes and consequences of mental illness; I’ve had guns pulled on me at work; I’ve been personally and professionally impacted by three campus shootings (UCSB/SBCC, SMC, and UCLA) and one campus stabbing (UC Merced); I have armed police officers in my clinic every day in order to involuntarily hospitalize mentally ill people who present a clear and imminent danger of violence; and I sit within arm’s reach of two panic buttons literally every minute of worklife.

I have a lot of thoughts about this stuff.

A couple of premises with which I have struggled for years and am pretty settled on currently.
1) Gun control won’t ever be an effective option until the 2nd amendment is repealed and replaced.
2) Focusing on mental illness is terribly misguided and harmful.
3) Sociocultural paranoia, anxiety, and subsequent conflict is at the heart of the on-going violence.
4) Only through mass changes to cultural expectations and mores will these things improve.
5) I have very little hope that we, as a nation, can or will heal. I think we need to have an “end of life/quality of life” discussion about the state of the union in the near future.

I reserve two hours every week for couples/marriage counseling. In about half of my cases, we ultimately conclude that divorce is the best option for peace.

 

[ReliableOstrich]

3D printer...
Link

Yep people can circumvent laws using one but it's still a far more expensive and time consuming than being able to pick one up at the store. Nothing is 100% - I'm okay with that reality much moreso than not trying at all.

 

[GwinnettNole]

You don't have to rewrite the 2nd amendment, you just have to go back to what it was designed to protect.

Interesting, and actually never heard it said like this.

 

[seminole97]

5) I have very little hope that we, as a nation, can or will heal. I think we need to have an “end of life/quality of life” discussion about the state of the union in the near future.

I reserve two hours every week for couples/marriage counseling. In about half of my cases, we ultimately conclude that divorce is the best option for peace.

I do enjoy how eyes are opening to the idea of secession.
I see advantages to be realized on several fronts.

 

[BelemNole]

But this is exactly the same argument that takes place on the other side about pornography and the 1st Amendment. That the 1A wasn't designed to protect jack material. But it is what it is...living document has won.

I agree obviously about "unfettered right to any kind of weapon", but that's not what we have now, and I think it's worth calibrating where the lines are drawn.

I just don't think the constant revisitation of the 2nd as if it's archaic or "wrong" or misunderstood is likely to get anywhere.

The thing is that the 1st is well written and being used to defend speech in all forms. The 2nd was poorly written and is being used by lobbiests to sell military arms to civilians, not keep the state militias armed.

 

[DFSNOLE]

We've done well but are veering away some now. I have had to delete or edit a couple of posts. I want to have intelligent discussion on pertinent topics in the Locker Room. I think that's a missing element of what made this a great board. Thank you everyone for the civil discussion. I'm going to close this down now.