Jameis files counter-suit
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This what I wish Winston would settle his case for.
- She gives all money she made from this to Winston.
- All documentaries are immediately banned from being sold. Must be edited to remove everything about Winston. Must add a statement in the beginning about how she lied and how the director did nothing to validate the facts of the case and this documentary is a work of fiction.
- She must go on national TV and admit she lied in detail.
- For 10 years, she has to put a statement about how she lied on top of her resume.
- NYT, Tampa paper, etc must print full & front page retractions and mention how she lied and they were duped and are a worthless news org.
- Matt Baker must print the truth about his relationship with the family.
- Gator lawyer must admit she took the case to embarrass FSU and give up her law degree.
I just read the entire 63 page counter suit and I must say Winston's lawyers are going to blow that skank and her dirty lawyers out of the water.
One thing that was a little shock was Darby's supposed facebook post. I had never heard about that before.
** Darby then left the apartment. The next day, he posted to his Facebook page,
“I feel the worst I almost felt in my life Smh [shaking my head] # stupid.”
** Darby then left the apartment. The next day, he posted to his Facebook page,
“I feel the worst I almost felt in my life Smh [shaking my head] # stupid.”
For all you know he was talking about drinking. Hell, for what we know with her camp there was never any post at all.
I've read somewhere that that Facebook post didn't actually take place until like Dec 12, several days later. (also possibly following an injury). Someone in here probably knows what I'm talking about.
Would not surprise me if she commits sideways before this makes it to trial. Even with a signed suicide note where she admits the scam, the headlines will read "JW silences his rape accuser before trial".
This is gonna weigh very heavy on her mind, she can see her life unraveling before her very eyes and will not be stable enough to face it. Bet she is thinking ole "uncle pat's" scam-jam idea was not so good a plan after all.
Next case filed should be against those in the media. If I had it I'd spend millions to see their careers dissolve. Smile and wave saying "Sorry bout yo bad luck".
This is gonna weigh very heavy on her mind, she can see her life unraveling before her very eyes and will not be stable enough to face it. Bet she is thinking ole "uncle pat's" scam-jam idea was not so good a plan after all.
Next case filed should be against those in the media. If I had it I'd spend millions to see their careers dissolve. Smile and wave saying "Sorry bout yo bad luck".
Jameis won't be able to hide behind a written statement like he did in the conduct hearing. He's going to be deposed and perhaps crossed examined by her lawyers. Hopefully there's no damaging stuff they will be able to dig out of him.
If Harbaugh can do it that easily...
He simply told the truth to Harbaugh, that the crab legs incident was a hookup, which most on Warchant suspected was the case from the beginning.
Whether verbally or in writing, he has never deviated form his version of the events that night with Kinsman, a narrative that has been supported by all available evidence. Lot easier to keep telling the truth than to keep track of lies. He will do fine if deposed.
I think Clune is overestimating how much digging into Winston's past matters at this point. Wnston is a high profile public figure that has been torn to shreds in the press. His whole life has been picked apart. What does it matter at this point if he is deposed? They bluffed and Winston called it. The girl is not winning a civil suit that Winston chooses to fight. It's just not going to happen. Furthermore, if Cornwell has some Aces up his sleeve like phone records, she might end up in jail.
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Dude has a point. Don't get me wrong: the plaintiff is lying white trash. That much is clear. But Winston's counterclaims are not without legal and strategic distractions. For starters, he is already a "public figure," and winning defamation claims against public figures is not easy. Second, Kinsman's lies were told in the context of police or administrative proceedings, so she has at least a qualified privilege to give her version of the facts (even if they turn out to be dead wrong). And because Winston has now placed in issue his "good reputation," Kinsman will have a chance to show that his reputation may not have been pristine to start with.
We all enjoyed reading Winston's version of the facts, and it is obvious that Kinsman lacks credibility (and personal values, etc., etc., etc.). But this will not be the slam-dunk some are predicting.
I'm not so sure. Look what they did to Mike Tyson by digging into his past.
I agree with Winston's counterclaim, I've been posting on here for a long time that he should sue her.
But they're not gonna make it painless for him. He'll have to air his dirty laundry and the media will be there scrutinizing every sordid detail.
everything except your first wish would be unconstitutional compelled speech (though I think a front page retraction is an appropriate remedy against a newspaper).
was posted about 36 hrs after he last saw Kinsman... had nothing to do with her.
Given the nature of the defamation, actual malice & damages will not give him any real difficulty. Falsity is the stumbling block, IMO.
You actually reveal what's to gain in second to last sentence, change the public perception and narrative. My guess is this is a game of chicken towards her. If she makes a public statement that she lied about everything this suit get dropped. Embrassment and shame are better outcome then huge debt and poverty.
But she told the lies in a movie too. Big mistake, Cornwell can now use that testimony against her. Plus telling 3 different stories to 3 different police officers doesn't look good from credibility. I knew it was a big mistake for her to do that movie. Plus all of Aunt Pat's statements to the papers are open to defend.
Winston's background is no where near Tyson's. Not even close, Tyson had been arrested 38 times before he was 13.
Clune is blowing smoke again, just like before the COC when he claimed he had this great case against Winston but it was much the same. Clune is out of his league here because he's actually going to have to present facts and not create a media firestorm. Kobe caved and paid but Winstons won't since they've already been through the hell. Cornwell been chomping at the bit to kick Clune's ass in court.
It won't ever happen but there's no constitutional issue if she agrees to those as settlement terms.
Didn't she already tell Meggs' office Winston did NOT rape her? If there was another alleged victim out there we'd have heard from her. She'd have been in that stupid movie.
One thing I am not sure I understand is why they added the interference with prospective business relationship claim. All of the damages he would receive in that would also be recoverable as defamation damages. I am not sure of the elements exist for the interference with business relationship claim. I don't know that I would have raised a duplicative count that may not survive a little challenge because even something completely irrelevant to the endgame would be pounced upon by the media as a loss for Winston in the litigation.
This and I'm sure she exists. It's been 2 years and her name or anything associated with her hasn't been revealed. Don't put past Pat to have made the whole thing up.
I was most curious by the 7 million claim being included in the counter suit. Makes me think Cornwell has evidence to prove Pat said this. I wonder if Pat will be the sacrificial lamb by her side later.
He will likely claim his journalist rights regarding his informants and refuse to name his sources
I'm pretty sure that in the most likely scenario, Jameis will never actually collect any $$ in damages from Kinsman, nor was that probably a serious intent with the counter suit. He sure has managed to flip the field though, and I've got to believe the line of scrimage, big mo, and tail winds have all switched to advantage Jameis.
There's no question that that woman, Ms Kinsman, has cost Jameis millions of dollars in endorsements, and I'm sure a bunch in legal costs. Just curious as to why they would request a jury trial when they've already basically tried the case before a judge and came out on top. Though I cannot imagine any sane person not seeing that woman, Ms Kinsman, for what she is, you're still taking a chance with a jury. Jameis' attorneys have to be licking their chops to get that woman, Ms Kinsman, on the witness stand. I hope he gets monetary damages and a recantment of all her claims and a news conference public apology. Maybe the people whose movie she was in will sue her for lying to them. Maybe even Scarborough will sue her for making a big ignorant ass out of him. Just wondering how long this will be drawn out.
Just surfed to about 10 sports sites. It's amazing how many have nothing about this. But if he said sh*t on the practice field, his potty mouth would be top news. Instead, I see many headlines making Todd Gurly look like a saint naming a law after him to punish the people who made him sign those autographs and collect money for it. No character issues here, folks. Move right along to the buried headlines about the Auburn player kicked off the team or the charges dropped against the Alabama player. Maybe the NYT is too busy figuring out if the Tyscaloosa PD is a big cover-up organization for Alabama football. 
Just happy to see JW fighting back. Eventually, he'll have his day.
Just happy to see JW fighting back. Eventually, he'll have his day.
Where would they go to attack his "good reputation?" We all ready know about the BB guns, Crab Legs, FHRITP, etc. Where else would they go? The kid got accepted into Stanford out of high school and had a 4.0 GPA out of high school. He was all ACC and academic honor roll every semester in 2 sports.
I don't know where else they would go?
court enforcement of the settlement... i'd think there'd be an issue there (conceptually, no issue because it's essentially enforcing a contract, but courts have not enforced speech related judgments before).
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The fact that you already know about his other offenses does not mean they are not relevant. And maybe there are other incidents that we don't know about. Maybe there aren't. But this door is now open for Kinsman to investigate.
yeah the court couldn't enforce it, but Winston could drop the suit if they did that, if not, he goes after them for money
At what point was she coerced? When she was given the drink by the white black anonymous guy bartender? When she was bumped on the head at time unexplained and unknown? When she got the text asking if she wanted to leave? In the cab when she texted her friends to join her? When she was giving oral? When she was putting the condom on? When she was on top? Other positions? When she shut the door? In the bathroom for privacy? On the scooter ride? When she was texting to get cheat answers on tomorrow's exam?
You don't think Kinsman's legal team has already probed every last part of Jameis' history? You don't think multiple alleged "journalists" have gotten blisters digging for dirt on him?
Seriously?
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