Not football related but just saw where all fraternities and sororities are banned from FSU..
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Wow, maybe Thrasher's eagerness to fix the "system" will transfer to the capital where it looks like it's one big orgy of drinks, sex and what not....
Y'all are ruthless lol. Don't forget many football players are in frats, hopefully none of them are tied up in what's happening today.
I think there is a stereotyped culture, ala animal house that seems to permeate fraternity/sorority life.
Score cards for women sex acts, alcohol and drug use, hazing, and degrading behavior.
When I attended, my perception was frats were havens for organized cheating, alcohol and access to sorority girls. Now, it seems you can add harder drugs to the list.
Women should feel safe in a college party/frat/dorm. What's lost is decorum here. How to treat one another wth respect of personal sovereignty.
I got initiated as a Pike in 1987 along with my basketball coach, Pat Kennedy. It was just a few months later that two brothers raped a girl on campus. Soon thereafter they were banished from FSU. My son is a junior at FSU and a Pike. He is actively involved. There are a lot of solid kids in the fraternity. They do a lot of good things for the community. There are always a few bad apples in the bunch.
He is devastated over this, but I told him it was the appropriate response. I praise Thrasher for doing the right thing here. It does penalize a lot of good people, but it will force the fraternity leaders to come together and make some wholesale changes. A death like that should never occur under any circumstances. The hazing is real, and it needs to be cleaned up. It should not take something like this for the Greek system to wake up and make changes.
He is devastated over this, but I told him it was the appropriate response. I praise Thrasher for doing the right thing here. It does penalize a lot of good people, but it will force the fraternity leaders to come together and make some wholesale changes. A death like that should never occur under any circumstances. The hazing is real, and it needs to be cleaned up. It should not take something like this for the Greek system to wake up and make changes.
What did the sorority girls do wrong? Any incidents of hazing or hard-core drug use there? Is the thinking that pissed-off women will essentially force their male counterparts to get their acts together? Or does it just better pacify the public masses to lump every Greek in one big cauldron, and then treat them as one? Serious questions.
I agree there is a lot of good that comes out of fraternities and sororities, and while there are certainly plenty of druggies and alcohol abusers outside the Greek community, that doesn't make it any less right for Thrashed to use his leverage to try and come together and tackle the issues of institutionalized drug and alcohol abuse and other issues embedded in new member hazing and other aspects of Greek life.
That would be like saying police shouldn't crack down on gang violence because individuals outside gangs commit violent acts as well.
Why not push for a Greek system that retained the positives while addressing the negatives?
My younger brother got heavily into drugs at his fraternity and spent 6 months in jail after getting caught on a drug run for his fraternity brothers. He was at Georgia Tech. Fortunately, he cleaned himself up, was able to return to school and complete his engineering degree. He is doing very well now.
I'm not sure about any specific situations that have happened at FSU sororities, but definitely alcohol abuse (underage and excessive drinking) and succumbing to peer pressure in other ways is part of the scene at many or most sororities, and likely some drugs as well -- it would be hard to believe that's confined to frats, especially with all the mutual parties and other events.
Plus, from a political, PR and liability standpoint, it would be suicide for Thrasher to limit this action to frats. I'm not sure if there is any particular Title IX language that would preclude isolating frats from sororities in an action like this, but it would be foolish anyway. What if a hazing death or drunken auto accident or anything like that happens at a sorority a few months after this exercise, and sororities were exempted from going through it? Thrasher would be asking for a huge lawsuit and FSU getting pilloried in the press if they had limited the improvement plans exercise to frats. A big part of good leadership is intelligent risk reduction.
So I guess the only thing parading in the Homecoming parade will be the Marching Chiefs !
I chose not to rush when I went to FSU but just because I felt it wasn’t for me doesn’t mean it should go away. Pretty narrow minded view in my opinion but to each their own. Not even sure what happened but I assume someone died of alcohol poisoning like the kid at LSU? Many Greek chapters do a lot of charity work too. I hope the reset works to make these orgs safer for their members.
Some of the best friendships I've maintained throughout the years were made while a Pike at FSU. This is on the leadership of those fraternities in question and needs to be addressed asap. Glad to see President Thrasher hit the reset button before this goes too far.
What a tragedy - didn't realize a student passed away last Friday as a result of hazing. Wow.
What if FSU installed 2 security cams in each house? That would put everyone on their best behavior. Also, have all members take a mandatory alcohol/drug abuse "class" of sorts each year. Maybe an FSU staff'er swings by each house once a quarter to present campus statistics?
What if FSU installed 2 security cams in each house? That would put everyone on their best behavior. Also, have all members take a mandatory alcohol/drug abuse "class" of sorts each year. Maybe an FSU staff'er swings by each house once a quarter to present campus statistics?
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I;m afraid in today's world it' the later. Thrasher is, above all, a politician. And this is the PC thing to do. You're right. Serious questions. Would any President at UF had the same response ? I'm not sure. Maybe Thrasher is addressing this the only way he has left. It seems extreme. I don't think any of us know for sure.But I do know decisions like this are why he was given the job.
FSU is a party school and Greeks and non Greeks go wild there. The ability to organize and fund larger parties/events is a Fraternity/sorority issue when not done responsibly (underage drinking, binge drinking,forced drinking).
Greek Life at FSU consist of IFC (what most people see as Frats and the stereotype) PH (Sororities) NPHC (Historically Black) and MGC (Multicultural).
IFC/PH (mostly IFC) has the alcohol issue (see recent incident and others). NPHC/MGC has an issue with physical abuse during pledging (see paddling and orgs being kicked off for other instances leading to injury/death).
This overshadows the fundraising community service brotherhood events brotherhood/sisterhood tutoring/mentoring alumni connections and philanthropy.
Greek Life should not be removed but all four councils have work to do. As an alumni I already have my active guys brianstorming getting their act together as a chapter and then branching out to the council and other three so we can make Greek Life something to be proud of again.
Greek Life at FSU consist of IFC (what most people see as Frats and the stereotype) PH (Sororities) NPHC (Historically Black) and MGC (Multicultural).
IFC/PH (mostly IFC) has the alcohol issue (see recent incident and others). NPHC/MGC has an issue with physical abuse during pledging (see paddling and orgs being kicked off for other instances leading to injury/death).
This overshadows the fundraising community service brotherhood events brotherhood/sisterhood tutoring/mentoring alumni connections and philanthropy.
Greek Life should not be removed but all four councils have work to do. As an alumni I already have my active guys brianstorming getting their act together as a chapter and then branching out to the council and other three so we can make Greek Life something to be proud of again.
I'd imagine this gets resolved rather quickly, but with a new zero tolerance agreement on drugs, underage drinking, and hazing. One strike you're out. If you catch members violating, they have to go or your group is at risk. Do you think Delts, Pikes, KA, etc. would risk losing their chapters to this crap if they we're certain of the consequences. First off should be the 2 groups current in the cross-hairs. If you can't police your membership, you have no business at FSU.
Why do you feel Thrasher’s course of action is “extreme”? Difficult, bold, decisive, sets him up for “you’re overreacting!” criticisms from those not responsible for protecting and improving our university and all its students and staff, but why do you say “extreme”, given all the circumstances?
If you were President of FSU, what would you do differently?
Speaking as a sorority alum, every year we would have several chapter-wide gatherings with speakers on all the various dangers. 25 years ago, it was alcohol, hazing, etc. I think that is required by the national charter so I assume they still have those.
Negative on your security cameras inside though. Unless you are also putting them in all the forms and apartment complexes. Sororities have strict rules about no alcohol in the house. Doesn’t mean you won’t sneak a beer in through a bag but there aren’t big parties at sorority houses. Those things are million dollar homes. Fraternity houses, another story. But this tragedy happened at an apartment so that solution is not helpful.
Education and accountability. I am bummed about Homecoming though. I guess I won’t plan on the parade now. I hope alums can still visit the houses. I guess no organized reception though? (which consists of punch and cookies, fyi)
So when an independent gets arrested on drug charges or drinks too much and kills someone driving or gets alcohol poisoning do we suspend all students?
This is tragic. And I’m not a Greek defender (was a Sig Ep but wasn’t nearly as plugged in as most and had more independent friends than Greek). I just think responding to a couple of events like this is a bit much. Then again maybe it really is just a pause to figure things out.
This is tragic. And I’m not a Greek defender (was a Sig Ep but wasn’t nearly as plugged in as most and had more independent friends than Greek). I just think responding to a couple of events like this is a bit much. Then again maybe it really is just a pause to figure things out.
Not following your attempt at an analogy in that first paragraph man... are any fraternity or sorority members getting suspended here? Greek activities yes (temporarily, while plans are developed), but students themselves, no.
And if you've been following the news nationwide for many years now about frats and alcohol/drugs/hazing problems, you know that this isn't just "a couple of events", and is definitely worthy of a temporary pause and reset where these organizations take ownership of developing and leading the implementation of improvements. The "couple of events" brush-off would be kinda' like saying our 2017 kick/punt returners just had a "couple of" muffs or the DBs had a "couple of" dumb PI calls where they didn't look back for the ball, but that's not indicative of any coaching problem that needs addressing -- ignoring all the past warning signs.
Something else has to be going on, this reaction is in no way proportionate to the single tragedy that occurred.
I had no idea there are so many members -
Of the FSU undergraduates, 22% belong to a Greek organization, that’s 7,588 students for the 2017-2018 school year.
Of the FSU undergraduates, 22% belong to a Greek organization, that’s 7,588 students for the 2017-2018 school year.
More then 28 grams, that's nothing to sneeze at.
And yet more local news, FAMU Asst Women's Basketball Coach in the slammer for grand theft. What a town.
Yep you nailed it man. Just a late Halloween prank. That Thrasher is a real jokester.
If it smells like a crap and it acts like crap ..
Damn well certain it is what it is...
Way to go... alienate your alumni when our program is already down
If it's as bad as some say, then something had to be done. I was never a big fan of the move to Heritage Grove for a variety of reasons, one of which I think some issues can be insulated & escalated even more. But that's just me.
Fraternities are dumb. They are notorious to have guys that are not even students as active members. They have a horrible track record for date rape and other criminal behavior. Fraternities should be banned across the US imo.
Any chance you could translate that?
Who are you so incredulous about or pissed at and why? If it’s Thrasher, what would you have done differently as FSU’s President?
Despite being in a Frat, I'm not a big fan of Greek life but this is clearly a massive over reaction by FSU. Seems like another publicity stunt like suspending someone for cursing.
What % of the info available to Thrasher about incidents, options, contributors, risks would you say you have?
When there's a dead body one day & a bust for cocaine trafficking less than a week later, then doing something publicly is kind of inevitable.
Yep, gotta happen. I was shocked there wasn't more done after the shooting death at Lambda Chi few years back. Terrible tragedy. I think they're still gone.
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