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Prez Thrasher on CNN airing the hunting ground
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If you're mad, one of the few things that can be done is at least put your voice on record regarding the one-sided nature of this false "documentary". Remember to be professional, and don't make it look like you're a pissed off Seminole to those reading the reviews, as the whole movie is one-sided...
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hunting_ground_2015/?search=the hunting ground
OK, here's President Thrasher's statement:
This week, CNN will air "The Hunting Ground," a film that charges FSU and other institutions of higher education with turning their backs on the victims of sexual assault. The film has been shown theatrically and on campuses across the country. Now, as part of its national television debut, CNN has invited me and other university presidents to join a televised panel discussion defending the university and critiquing the film.
I have declined and I want you to know why.
Before I do, however, I want to make one thing clear: FSU does not tolerate rape. Period.
We, like other major universities, have been moving quickly to adopt changes and meet the new and evolving Title IX requirements imposed by the U.S. Department of Education.
For many years, FSU's policies in this area have been a model for other universities; nevertheless, we recently reviewed and improved them, made them easier to access on the Web, bolstered bystander training, increased sexual responsibility training for incoming freshmen and hired a full-time Title IX officer to handle the investigation and adjudication of sexual assault complaints.
You will not see or hear any of this in "The Hunting Ground." And that is why I - and I believe the presidents of other universities portrayed in the film - have decided not to participate. It's about the journalism, not the subject.
Good, strong universities do not hide from criticism but rather constantly re-examine whether they are doing things as they should. When Florida State has objected to certain media stories involving this issue it was not because we feared exposure for some mistake or wanted to deny the problem exists. It was because those making negative assertions had an agenda not supported by the evidence. We simply could not let stand an inaccurate or incomplete picture of the university's conduct.
Now, we have "The Hunting Ground," which contains major distortions and glaring omissions to support its simplistic narrative that colleges and universities are to blame for our national sexual assault crisis. FSU plays a prominent part in the film in a one-sided segment accusing Tallahassee police and the University of ignoring sexual assault allegations against former quarterback Jameis Winston to protect the athletic program.
It is inexcusable for a network as respected as CNN to pretend that the film is a documentary rather than an advocacy piece. Yet with its co-production and airing of it, CNN is putting its imprimatur on a film that falls far short of the basic reporting standards we expect from a cable TV news outlet that calls itself "the most trusted name in news."
If this sounds familiar, there's good reason. It's been barely seven months since Rolling Stone retracted its ill-fated University of Virginia fraternity rape story after revelations that it took a victim's story at face value without getting the other side or checking the details with other sources, including the accused.
Columbia University Journalism School, which examined the magazine's reporting and editing of the piece, concluded that Rolling Stone had "set aside or rationalized as unnecessary essential practices of reporting."
We believe the same is true with "The Hunting Ground." Five months ago, we approached CNN's General Counsel along with the Executive Vice President for News Standards and Practices to express our concerns about the factual, statistical and ethical defects in the film.
We also questioned whether the filmmakers ever intended to follow journalistic conventions of accuracy, fairness and objectivity by providing strong evidence that should have forced the network to revise, if not rethink, its airing of the film without making substantial editing changes.
Instead, CNN viewers will hear an incomplete and misleading description of the University's thorough Title IX investigation, handed to an independent judge - a former state Supreme Court justice - who concluded there was not enough evidence to support the complainant's allegations of sexual assault.
CNN's answer to our concerns was to invite me and presidents from other universities criticized in the film to a panel discussion following the film. Most, if not all, declined, seeing this gesture for the window dressing it was. We wanted no part in making CNN look like it was being fair while allowing the network to kick the can of journalistic integrity down the road.
CNN will be airing a piece of advocacy that is more about blame and emotion than accuracy, fairness and inclusion. This is a lost opportunity to have a full, fair and meaningful discussion on the national stage about the complex issue of sexual assault on college campuses.
We at FSU work diligently to stay true to our values and treat every person with respect and dignity. It is the most important lesson we teach.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_hunting_ground_2015/?search=the hunting ground
OK, here's President Thrasher's statement:
This week, CNN will air "The Hunting Ground," a film that charges FSU and other institutions of higher education with turning their backs on the victims of sexual assault. The film has been shown theatrically and on campuses across the country. Now, as part of its national television debut, CNN has invited me and other university presidents to join a televised panel discussion defending the university and critiquing the film.
I have declined and I want you to know why.
Before I do, however, I want to make one thing clear: FSU does not tolerate rape. Period.
We, like other major universities, have been moving quickly to adopt changes and meet the new and evolving Title IX requirements imposed by the U.S. Department of Education.
For many years, FSU's policies in this area have been a model for other universities; nevertheless, we recently reviewed and improved them, made them easier to access on the Web, bolstered bystander training, increased sexual responsibility training for incoming freshmen and hired a full-time Title IX officer to handle the investigation and adjudication of sexual assault complaints.
You will not see or hear any of this in "The Hunting Ground." And that is why I - and I believe the presidents of other universities portrayed in the film - have decided not to participate. It's about the journalism, not the subject.
Good, strong universities do not hide from criticism but rather constantly re-examine whether they are doing things as they should. When Florida State has objected to certain media stories involving this issue it was not because we feared exposure for some mistake or wanted to deny the problem exists. It was because those making negative assertions had an agenda not supported by the evidence. We simply could not let stand an inaccurate or incomplete picture of the university's conduct.
Now, we have "The Hunting Ground," which contains major distortions and glaring omissions to support its simplistic narrative that colleges and universities are to blame for our national sexual assault crisis. FSU plays a prominent part in the film in a one-sided segment accusing Tallahassee police and the University of ignoring sexual assault allegations against former quarterback Jameis Winston to protect the athletic program.
It is inexcusable for a network as respected as CNN to pretend that the film is a documentary rather than an advocacy piece. Yet with its co-production and airing of it, CNN is putting its imprimatur on a film that falls far short of the basic reporting standards we expect from a cable TV news outlet that calls itself "the most trusted name in news."
If this sounds familiar, there's good reason. It's been barely seven months since Rolling Stone retracted its ill-fated University of Virginia fraternity rape story after revelations that it took a victim's story at face value without getting the other side or checking the details with other sources, including the accused.
Columbia University Journalism School, which examined the magazine's reporting and editing of the piece, concluded that Rolling Stone had "set aside or rationalized as unnecessary essential practices of reporting."
We believe the same is true with "The Hunting Ground." Five months ago, we approached CNN's General Counsel along with the Executive Vice President for News Standards and Practices to express our concerns about the factual, statistical and ethical defects in the film.
We also questioned whether the filmmakers ever intended to follow journalistic conventions of accuracy, fairness and objectivity by providing strong evidence that should have forced the network to revise, if not rethink, its airing of the film without making substantial editing changes.
Instead, CNN viewers will hear an incomplete and misleading description of the University's thorough Title IX investigation, handed to an independent judge - a former state Supreme Court justice - who concluded there was not enough evidence to support the complainant's allegations of sexual assault.
CNN's answer to our concerns was to invite me and presidents from other universities criticized in the film to a panel discussion following the film. Most, if not all, declined, seeing this gesture for the window dressing it was. We wanted no part in making CNN look like it was being fair while allowing the network to kick the can of journalistic integrity down the road.
CNN will be airing a piece of advocacy that is more about blame and emotion than accuracy, fairness and inclusion. This is a lost opportunity to have a full, fair and meaningful discussion on the national stage about the complex issue of sexual assault on college campuses.
We at FSU work diligently to stay true to our values and treat every person with respect and dignity. It is the most important lesson we teach.
I hear what you guys are saying, but I still don't understand why President Thrasher and the other university presidents involved would not go on the air and set the record straight. If there were enough of them, they could basically take over the broadcast and make sure that it stayed on message. But staying away, I think it looks as though they are afraid of the truth-----and I don't believe that.
I wonder if they are staying away because if they all participated, CNN could play that up for a ratings bonanza?
Yea, the presidents' boycott of appearing is a bit of a strategic gamble... but I think its the right one in what we all know is basically a no win situation in the media. At the very least, they don't want to give this crap any kind of legitimacy.
Google Harvard Law School comments on the Hunting Ground.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/1...denouncing-the-hunting-ground/article/2576140
Also see this report.
http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...e-mail-exposes-filmmaker-bias-against-accused
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/1...denouncing-the-hunting-ground/article/2576140
Also see this report.
http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...e-mail-exposes-filmmaker-bias-against-accused
I know many were opposed to him becoming our president, but I haven't seen anything yet by him that has left me disappointed. He seems to always be aggressively supporting and defending my university and at a time it really needs it. If nothing else, maybe it could have come sooner.
He had quite a bit to say about The Hunting Ground and CNN:
His full statement:
This week, CNN will air “The Hunting Ground,” a film that charges FSU and other institutions of higher education with turning their backs on the victims of sexual assault. The film has been shown theatrically and on campuses across the country. Now, as part of its national television debut, CNN has invited me and other university presidents to join a televised panel discussion defending the university and critiquing the film.
I have declined and I want you to know why.
Before I do, however, I want to make one thing clear: FSU does not tolerate rape. Period.
We, like other major universities, have been moving quickly to adopt changes and meet the new and evolving Title IX requirements imposed by the U.S. Department of Education.
For many years, FSU’s policies in this area have been a model for other universities; nevertheless, we recently reviewed and improved them, made them easier to access on the Web, bolstered bystander training, increased sexual responsibility training for incoming freshmen and hired a full-time Title IX officer to handle the investigation and adjudication of sexual assault complaints.
You will not see or hear any of this in “The Hunting Ground.” And that is why I – and I believe the presidents of other universities portrayed in the film – have decided not to participate. It’s about the journalism, not the subject.
Good, strong universities do not hide from criticism but rather constantly re-examine whether they are doing things as they should. When Florida State has objected to certain media stories involving this issue it was not because we feared exposure for some mistake or wanted to deny the problem exists. It was because those making negative assertions had an agenda not supported by the evidence. We simply could not let stand an inaccurate or incomplete picture of the university’s conduct.
Now, we have “The Hunting Ground,” which contains major distortions and glaring omissions to support its simplistic narrative that colleges and universities are to blame for our national sexual assault crisis. FSU plays a prominent part in the film in a one-sided segment accusing Tallahassee police and the University of ignoring sexual assault allegations against former quarterback Jameis Winston to protect the athletic program.
It is inexcusable for a network as respected as CNN to pretend that the film is a documentary rather than an advocacy piece. Yet with its co-production and airing of it, CNN is putting its imprimatur on a film that falls far short of the basic reporting standards we expect from a cable TV news outlet that calls itself “the most trusted name in news.”
If this sounds familiar, there’s good reason. It’s been barely seven months since Rolling Stone retracted its ill-fated University of Virginia fraternity rape story after revelations that it took a victim’s story at face value without getting the other side or checking the details with other sources, including the accused.
Columbia University Journalism School, which examined the magazine’s reporting and editing of the piece, concluded that Rolling Stone had “set aside or rationalized as unnecessary essential practices of reporting.”
We believe the same is true with “The Hunting Ground.” Five months ago, we approached CNN’s General Counsel along with the Executive Vice President for News Standards and Practices to express our concerns about the factual, statistical and ethical defects in the film.
We also questioned whether the filmmakers ever intended to follow journalistic conventions of accuracy, fairness and objectivity by providing strong evidence that should have forced the network to revise, if not rethink, its airing of the film without making substantial editing changes.
Instead, CNN viewers will hear an incomplete and misleading description of the University’s thorough Title IX investigation, handed to an independent judge – a former state Supreme Court justice – who concluded there was not enough evidence to support the complainant’s allegations of sexual assault.
CNN’s answer to our concerns was to invite me and presidents from other universities criticized in the film to a panel discussion following the film. Most, if not all, declined, seeing this gesture for the window dressing it was. We wanted no part in making CNN look like it was being fair while allowing the network to kick the can of journalistic integrity down the road.
CNN will be airing a piece of advocacy that is more about blame and emotion than accuracy, fairness and inclusion. This is a lost opportunity to have a full, fair and meaningful discussion on the national stage about the complex issue of sexual assault on college campuses.
We at FSU work diligently to stay true to our values and treat every person with respect and dignity. It is the most important lesson we teach.
He had quite a bit to say about The Hunting Ground and CNN:
His full statement:
This week, CNN will air “The Hunting Ground,” a film that charges FSU and other institutions of higher education with turning their backs on the victims of sexual assault. The film has been shown theatrically and on campuses across the country. Now, as part of its national television debut, CNN has invited me and other university presidents to join a televised panel discussion defending the university and critiquing the film.
I have declined and I want you to know why.
Before I do, however, I want to make one thing clear: FSU does not tolerate rape. Period.
We, like other major universities, have been moving quickly to adopt changes and meet the new and evolving Title IX requirements imposed by the U.S. Department of Education.
For many years, FSU’s policies in this area have been a model for other universities; nevertheless, we recently reviewed and improved them, made them easier to access on the Web, bolstered bystander training, increased sexual responsibility training for incoming freshmen and hired a full-time Title IX officer to handle the investigation and adjudication of sexual assault complaints.
You will not see or hear any of this in “The Hunting Ground.” And that is why I – and I believe the presidents of other universities portrayed in the film – have decided not to participate. It’s about the journalism, not the subject.
Good, strong universities do not hide from criticism but rather constantly re-examine whether they are doing things as they should. When Florida State has objected to certain media stories involving this issue it was not because we feared exposure for some mistake or wanted to deny the problem exists. It was because those making negative assertions had an agenda not supported by the evidence. We simply could not let stand an inaccurate or incomplete picture of the university’s conduct.
Now, we have “The Hunting Ground,” which contains major distortions and glaring omissions to support its simplistic narrative that colleges and universities are to blame for our national sexual assault crisis. FSU plays a prominent part in the film in a one-sided segment accusing Tallahassee police and the University of ignoring sexual assault allegations against former quarterback Jameis Winston to protect the athletic program.
It is inexcusable for a network as respected as CNN to pretend that the film is a documentary rather than an advocacy piece. Yet with its co-production and airing of it, CNN is putting its imprimatur on a film that falls far short of the basic reporting standards we expect from a cable TV news outlet that calls itself “the most trusted name in news.”
If this sounds familiar, there’s good reason. It’s been barely seven months since Rolling Stone retracted its ill-fated University of Virginia fraternity rape story after revelations that it took a victim’s story at face value without getting the other side or checking the details with other sources, including the accused.
Columbia University Journalism School, which examined the magazine’s reporting and editing of the piece, concluded that Rolling Stone had “set aside or rationalized as unnecessary essential practices of reporting.”
We believe the same is true with “The Hunting Ground.” Five months ago, we approached CNN’s General Counsel along with the Executive Vice President for News Standards and Practices to express our concerns about the factual, statistical and ethical defects in the film.
We also questioned whether the filmmakers ever intended to follow journalistic conventions of accuracy, fairness and objectivity by providing strong evidence that should have forced the network to revise, if not rethink, its airing of the film without making substantial editing changes.
Instead, CNN viewers will hear an incomplete and misleading description of the University’s thorough Title IX investigation, handed to an independent judge – a former state Supreme Court justice – who concluded there was not enough evidence to support the complainant’s allegations of sexual assault.
CNN’s answer to our concerns was to invite me and presidents from other universities criticized in the film to a panel discussion following the film. Most, if not all, declined, seeing this gesture for the window dressing it was. We wanted no part in making CNN look like it was being fair while allowing the network to kick the can of journalistic integrity down the road.
CNN will be airing a piece of advocacy that is more about blame and emotion than accuracy, fairness and inclusion. This is a lost opportunity to have a full, fair and meaningful discussion on the national stage about the complex issue of sexual assault on college campuses.
We at FSU work diligently to stay true to our values and treat every person with respect and dignity. It is the most important lesson we teach.
He wasn't the only one to go off on them today. Should read this article:
A Smoking-Gun E-mail Exposes the Bias of The Hunting Ground
Their bias has been exposed multiple times and this is just the latest.
A Smoking-Gun E-mail Exposes the Bias of The Hunting Ground
Their bias has been exposed multiple times and this is just the latest.
I don't what else Winston needs for a lawsuit. After so much showing his innocence & now evidence of them actually trying to ambush him, what else is needed?
Saw this today. Glad they waited to release this gem of information. These people should not be allowed to procreate.He wasn't the only one to go off on them today. Should read this article:
A Smoking-Gun E-mail Exposes the Bias of The Hunting Ground
Their bias has been exposed multiple times and this is just the latest.
Thanks for posting, Singleshot. Really is a shame that these legitimate responses by Slate, National Review and Thrasher will not be made readily available in the mainstream press.
We should just buy air time in the middle of it and run a tv commercial containing actual facts.
Q for the attorneys - When they name the school(s) make a movie that is factually incorrect, and leave blatant omissions, is that grounds for the school to sue for slander?
All he has shown me so far is that he should be running the PR dept. Not POTFSU! Show me the money, so far nothing, where are the donors he allegedly had lined up? Non existent. Where is a full mission COM? Where is a divorce from FAMU's inept dumpster fire influence on the COE? He asked for NOTHING! ZERO, ZILCH, NADA from the 2015 legislature.
Great spokesman for FSU. Just what I expected as POTFSU, fail.
Great spokesman for FSU. Just what I expected as POTFSU, fail.
lol
That twitter account has me russtled to the moon.. then I see this..
The Hunting Ground Retweeted
Vice President Biden @VP Nov 10
Great season, @ClemsonFB. Proud you're a partner in the fight to end on-campus sexual assault. #ItsOnUs. All of us.
That twitter account has me russtled to the moon.. then I see this..
The Hunting Ground Retweeted
Vice President Biden @VP Nov 10Great season, @ClemsonFB. Proud you're a partner in the fight to end on-campus sexual assault. #ItsOnUs. All of us.
He wasn't the only one to go off on them today. Should read this article:
A Smoking-Gun E-mail Exposes the Bias of The Hunting Ground
Their bias has been exposed multiple times and this is just the latest.
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The irony is if Jameis does not settle, this film coupled with her different accounts of given during the coc hearing (immortalized in testimony) will likely give Jameis a favorable outcome in the civil trial.
You REALLY don't know what you're talking about on the fundraising side. He has raised almost $200m in the short time he has been here and many other major gifts in the works. You are as bad as reporters with an agenda spewing comments as if they were facts.
Thanks for posting.He wasn't the only one to go off on them today. Should read this article:
A Smoking-Gun E-mail Exposes the Bias of The Hunting Ground
Their bias has been exposed multiple times and this is just the latest.
The missing element for a public figure defamation suit was always (the nearly impossible to prove) "actual malice". I think those emails would create that question for a jury. If its not quite actial knowledge of falsehood, its as close as it gets, but it's damn sure willful ignorance of the truth. Get em, JW.
