It appears that the OP question regarding why the cops ticket the low hanging fruit was answered, because they need the revenue to pay for 2 months of surveying football players in order to arrest someone for less than an oz of weed. geez what a waste of resources
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Coincidentally made the ‘raid’ on Thursday before our Spring game after digging his trash for months.
So if you look at ESPN CFB page there isn’t mention of our game or 2019 class, or that Francois got a misdemeanor ticket after cops went into his house. It’s that he was surveilled for two months.
if that doesn't bother you then you seiriously should leave America.
Oh, my gosh. Can anybody believe that in 2018 the police would spend two months culminating in an arrest for pot... and the grand total of less than an ounce at that?
Coulda popped two months of jaywalkers and raised some money, but of course confiscating property from jaywalkers might not fly to far.
Maybe sit around some school zones to discourage speeders, but maybe the minivan moms won’t fight back and need to be tased, so that might not generate enough adrenaline.
I wonder what the probable cause affidavit said. You would have to have more than an informant statement that Francois was dealing drugs.
Well, if you put it THAT way, it seems you have a point.
Crazy that any LE time is spent on this.
I thought we had an opioid epidemic, not a marijuana epidemic.
I thought we had an opioid epidemic, not a marijuana epidemic.
On the plus side, 90% of the comments are people blasting the cops for wasting time and money on this. I was pleasantly surprised.
That was some smart police work and good use of resources, but if they really wanted to do great work, they should have used the bust to convince Francois to be an undercover CI. He should have had to do an undercover buy for $15k of hard drugs and maybe a gun to bust some hardcore criminals. No worries, TPD would be looking out for him, so what could go wrong? It worked out perfectly for Rachel.
TPD getting skewered (rightfully) so bad I could see them doubling down out of pride/ego to prove they were right, at any cost.
Informant known to cops along with multiple quart sized bags with residue gathered from a few very low resource trash hauls. They had plenty of PC to look in the house. And this wasn’t for a half ounce; it was to see if he was dealing. Would people have the same issue if they found a few pounds?
Shouldn't they try to solve the Dan Markel Murder? In your opinion which is a better resource spend the murder or an FSU QB?
Do you really think that’s how it works? They just have all the force looking into that and don’t do anything else? There’s a drug/vice division whose job it is to do exactly this.
And what hasn’t been done on markel that should be done? It’s not even in their hands now. It’s in the state attorneys hands.
I get it people don’t like that but stuff like this is really bad logic.
Probably a tip from Dumbo as he skipped off to Texas.
Yep, almost def jimbo.
Guy has nothing to do in college station but ride small horsies and stew over how his bluff got called and he was forced to banish himself to rural central texas. A place so sad, his $10m/yr is worth nothing.
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Yes, I would have the exact same issue.
The WoD is dumb and just magnifies the misery associated with drug abuse.
It's far past time we simply legalized Marijuana and moved on. I have no desire to smoke it, but the amount of money we spend on it, people's lives that we ruin over small possession, is just ridiculous. Can't we just realize that people are going to smoke Pot, it's not really the end of the world, and that we have far bigger issues to deal with? The war on drugs has destroyed so many people's lives unnecessarily.
This case is just one more example of doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. Insanity.
Arresting this kid will change nothing for society at large, but could ruin his future. The arrest will not stop the next kid from buying, and yes perhaps, dealing pot.
Change the equation. Admit it is rediculous to tax booze, and nicotine, but not pot. Admit that the real drug problem in this country is the legal pushers... Big pharma.
Legalize pot and Francois would not be in this situation. Let him go to work at CVS or maybe the local Big Blunts R S franchise selling a product that our farmers could produce, rather than sending money to Columbia, Mexico, etc...
If he’s dealing large quantities he’s a dumbass and should be off the team. That doesn’t change the fact that the laws are stupid - both can be stupid.
If he’s selling dime bags and they spent months staking him out that’s stupid as well.
If he’s selling dime bags and they spent months staking him out that’s stupid as well.
I’m 100% in favor of legalization. I’m simply saying the law is what it is now and I think it’s unfair to attack TPD as the focal point for disagreement on the overall war on drugs. For now it’s illegal and TPD wasn’t doing all this for a half ounce. It just turned out that’s what they found.
I’m not excited about any of this. I’m just saying cops being told someone is dealing pounds and then finding big bags with residue aren’t being out of control when following up and executing a warrant.
Third year in a row Leon county leads the state in violent crime rate and TPD spends their finite resources over months trying to make a pot bust?
Their priorities are not out of control, they're out of whack.
Add up all the salaries involved for the time spent and tell me you think it was the best use of those resources even if he did have more than 17 grams of tobacco and weed mixed together in his house.
Francois is a dumb ass in this case because of what he has at stake, but it's a story literally without any good guys.
Don't mistake my take. I was being intentionally hyperbolic. What I'm saying is this is a complete waste of resources. Unless the CI had some major insight or pictures or connections to this I really don't understand the waste.
Fair but I don’t get how folks misstate the resources. I bet it took as long to type up the warrant app as the rest of it. And if they busted a dealer with those resources it’s not not a waste (setting aside the valid criticism of the drug laws).
What's wrong with you people? Don't you realize that marijuana will destroy us all? Haven't you seen Reefer Madness?
I think the bigger picture is that the cause of most of the violent crime is drugs. Whether it be dope rip offs, burglaries, shootings, etc. And the suspects committing there violent crimes are often under the influence or addicted to them.
I'm sure the PD wouldn't have wasted their time if they knew it was only going to be 17 grams. Maybe their is more information that Francois is involved in something bigger that was part of the report that wasn't released. They seized cell phones and ipads. Most likely using them to find bigger fish, and connecting the dots in a bigger case.
FTFY.
Ever noticed that Walgreens doesn’t compete on beer sales with Walmart via Valentine’s Day Massacres?
Absolutely. If you legalize drugs and put them in actual regulated, taxes business fronts, then you remove the criminal element or at least turn them into more civilized businesses.
We'd do better to just spend our money by treating it as a health crisis.
We'd do better to just spend our money by treating it as a health crisis.
This x1000.
I'm not sure what exactly goes on in jail but it appears to be the exact opposite of rehabilitation and mental health counseling. Calling the departments that oversee them "Department of Corrections" might be one of the biggest euphamisms on the planet. These are state sanctioned facilities to mentally (and sometimes physically) destroy people who've made a variety of mistakes. When potus and the fmr head of the FBI are casually joking about prison rape, there's not much that can be said to argue against my point.
I agree. I’ve always thought that was the worst part of our sociey - that we trivialize the brutality of prison life. No one deserves that.
Somewhat off topic but with regard to juvenile criminal justice, I thought this was a great read. As a fan of The Wire, Vice, and The New Yorker, I can't help but share it
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/c...oughtful-study-of-juvenile-mass-incarceration
I’ve always thought the colonial justice system makes the most sense. No incarcerations longer than a year because they recognised prison was terrible and highly destructive. If you were such a danger that you couldn’t be cured after a year, you were executed. People losing years of their life and getting prison “conditioned” for a simple drug crime or is a travesty.
Society wants peace, and safety, and serentiy but doesn't seem to want to do the work or spend the money needed to get there.
We nickle and dime schools, students, and teachers, we underfund (or ignore) mental health, we overuse prisons, we militarize cops... and then we wonder why we are the way we are and point at simplistic solutions like, "parents shoulda taught them better."
We nickle and dime schools, students, and teachers, we underfund (or ignore) mental health, we overuse prisons, we militarize cops... and then we wonder why we are the way we are and point at simplistic solutions like, "parents shoulda taught them better."
Take the money out of it and the crime disappears. Legalize it, tax it, sell it cheap (or give it away) and get rid of the incentive to be a pusher.
Proliferate addiction clinics. Sweep the streets for addicts and clean them up.
We could never stop alcohol when it was outlawed and the long term result was organized crime.
We can never stop dope pushers and the long term result is cartels.
Legalize it. Remove the money incentive.
The financial costs alone are unbearable, let alone the physical, emotional, and famial costs.
Video of the Toronto officer taking down the van driver are remarkable.
The driver repeatedly claimed to have a gun, asked to be shot, pulled his hand multiple times from his pocket as though it were a gun trying to bait the officer into shooting him, and the officer kept his cool and arrested the guy without firing a shot. Truly exemplary. Should be required viewing for all cops.
The driver repeatedly claimed to have a gun, asked to be shot, pulled his hand multiple times from his pocket as though it were a gun trying to bait the officer into shooting him, and the officer kept his cool and arrested the guy without firing a shot. Truly exemplary. Should be required viewing for all cops.
I like this.
There are too many stigmas around addiction, there are too many laws that put addicts in jail rather giving them the help they need, and there's not nearly enough out there to prevent the problem before it starts.
We are a reactionary society that always seems surprised when taking short cuts leads us down the wrong path.
We have all the data and brilliant minds in the world at our disposal and we're using it for crap like refining targetted advertisements and algorithms that suggest the next thing I should buy on Amazon.
The more we learn about how our brain's work, the more this needs to be hammered into demands for reform. We're not reforming small time criminals by treating them harshly, we're simply creating hardened criminals; especially when we're talking juveniles.
Prisons shouldn't be country clubs, but they should be focused on reforming people, healing them of the mental strains that lead to crime (Quite often having grown up in highly stressful, violent, dangerous homes and neighborhoods); helping with education so that job prospects are possible, and then even wiping records clean so their entire future isn't ruined because of a bad choice they made as a youth.
In addition, things like Solitary confinement should be 100% illegal, and criminal if used on youth who's brains are still developing, but the effects it does to even an adult brain are terrible. Surprise, taking a young person, throwing them in a prison surrounded by many other violent, angry men, and then treating them to long bout's of isolation leads to massively enlarged amygdala's and massively shrunken Anterior Cingulate Cortex's which leads to young men who are fearful, angry, lack compassion and empathy, and prone to violent reactions and loss of self control. If we can create policies that actually work to do the opposite in brains, we might actually be able to release reformed men who have empathy and compassion for their fellow human being and who desire to see positive change in their neighborhoods.
Prisons shouldn't be country clubs, but they should be focused on reforming people, healing them of the mental strains that lead to crime (Quite often having grown up in highly stressful, violent, dangerous homes and neighborhoods); helping with education so that job prospects are possible, and then even wiping records clean so their entire future isn't ruined because of a bad choice they made as a youth.
In addition, things like Solitary confinement should be 100% illegal, and criminal if used on youth who's brains are still developing, but the effects it does to even an adult brain are terrible. Surprise, taking a young person, throwing them in a prison surrounded by many other violent, angry men, and then treating them to long bout's of isolation leads to massively enlarged amygdala's and massively shrunken Anterior Cingulate Cortex's which leads to young men who are fearful, angry, lack compassion and empathy, and prone to violent reactions and loss of self control. If we can create policies that actually work to do the opposite in brains, we might actually be able to release reformed men who have empathy and compassion for their fellow human being and who desire to see positive change in their neighborhoods.
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