This is the world we live in though. Very tough to have civil, intelligent discussions in today’s environment. Sad, really.
Stand your ground?
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The shooter started it. The victim escalated it to physical, but if the shooter had simply minded his own business they never would have met, much less fought, or got shot.
So, this thought came to mind. Since the shooter is possibly gonna walk since he felt imminent danger for some non provable reason, would the lady he verbally assaulted also walk if she pulled out a piece and shot him as well?
Remember, he had been scaring her and her kids (likely, right?) and is now shooting a weapon in her general direction. Why not take the initiative to end the threat to her kids mother?
Agreed.
Learned the lesson really early in life: don’t start no shit, won’t be no shit.
There is no audio, so there is no way to know what was discussed with the victim’s girlfriend in the car. Regardless, the shooter did not physically threaten or assault anyone. If the victim gets in his car, he is alive. Period.
Well, the girlfriend is still alive, so she can give an account.
Regardless, you don't honestly think the victim just came out and randomly shoved a guy, that happens to have a history or harassing people at that location, for no reason at all do you?
If one can draw the conclusion without audio that shooting was justified (maybe the shover told the shooter he was backing off), why not draw the conclusion she felt she and kids were in real danger.
Works, right?
Without audio, you can’t conclude what threats the shooter made.
Confrontation definition: “a hostile or argumentative meeting or situation between opposing parties.”
You don’t think walking up and confronting someone is confrontational?
I don’t need to hear audio to know he came over and told the woman she was wrong. He didn’t leave after telling her, either. He started the confrontation. The victim escalated it, but none of it would’ve happened had the murderer come over, said his peace, and left.
It doesn’t change the fact that a little weak punk with a gun can start a fight, get shoved, and kill someone, legally.
I wasn't aware that the legislature actually modified the "stand your ground" law recently to shift more burden of proof the the police before making an arrest.
However, the shooting is still under investigation, so this doesn't mean he won't be charged yet.
https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/n...arwater-parking-space-leads-to-fatal-shooting
However, the shooting is still under investigation, so this doesn't mean he won't be charged yet.
https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/n...arwater-parking-space-leads-to-fatal-shooting
That is incorrect and only a person pushing an agenda would take that position.
Let this be a lessen to us all— guns are so prevalent in our country that you tick one guy off on the road , for example, you could find yourself being shot at. People are crazy, you give them easy access to a gun, a very prevalent gun culture in our country and you could find yourself littered with bullets...
It can be a factor as well. Is there evidence or witnesses that can prove that this happened?
There’s a guy who was quoted at the exact same gas station saying this guy threatened him. There was also a road rage complaint from a few years ago in which the other person said this guy pulled his gun. So yes.
You can’t be serious on this. The guy wasn’t giving her directions or complimenting her hair. She stated and witnesses stated he was berating her, and the clerk stated he has berated others in the past.
You lose all credibility in your arguments when you act as if he could have been acting like a gentleman and exchanges pleasantries just because you don’t have the actual audio.
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Agree. I understand what Bud is saying and it may not lead to a conviction but from what I saw, I disagree with his assessment that it is reasonable to be in fear from serious bodily harm or death. Regardless of size difference. Now if there is audio or witness that says the guy that shoved him very hard (And that is what it is, It isn't a slam or gentle nudge or push but a very hard physical shove). and then was saying he was going to finish beating him up or kill him, then perhaps there might be reason to believe that. But just the shove with no follow up or continued aggression, that is just not enough in my opinion to shoot someone. I have my concealed carry and would not do that in that situation. Even if the guy was twice my size and physical stature and imposing.
With just that video showing and no additional evidence to show some additional threat to the guy verbal or otherwise, I think a jury would convict him. But I do have a question, couldn't the DA go ahead and present it to a grand jury and see what if they say charges should be brought?
This is nothing like the Zimmerman case in what was presented as evidence, so comparing to Zimmerman is not a valid comparison in my opinion.
I am a strong believer in the 2A, and I carry everywhere including church when not partying.
If I am going to drink, I leave my gun at home.
There's a whole lot of fail in that video.
1. Don't police. There's too many "real police" as is.
2. Don't intervene in arguments because some idiot might have a gun or knife. Especially don't touch someone.
3. The guy was backing away when shot. He was clearly withdrawing.
If I am going to drink, I leave my gun at home.
There's a whole lot of fail in that video.
1. Don't police. There's too many "real police" as is.
2. Don't intervene in arguments because some idiot might have a gun or knife. Especially don't touch someone.
3. The guy was backing away when shot. He was clearly withdrawing.
If I came out and they're verbal I'm going not going to introduce violence. If I came out and they're physically attacking my wife then a line has been crossed, and we'll have to settle this on the terms they've chosen.
Then why don't we start with parking in the handicap spot?
Would we feel differently about the confrontation if the shooter was crippled? Would he then have a 'right' to complain verbally without expectation of physical assault? Or do we need to be in a special class before verbally confronting someone breaking the law?
I think that we need to be very careful about initiating any confrontations with any strangers, regardless of circumstances. I certainly go into every situation involving strangers with an awareness that they could have a weapon or simply a desire to be violent.
There were plenty of spaces. The guy was just playing Barney Fife. He should’ve done what most of us do - shake your head at the inconsiderate people in the world and get on with life. Or at most say something to make you feel better but then get on with life. No need for an extended argument.
No. The 3 kids have no dad because their father thought he was Billy Bad Ass!
I really wish you were trolling. It would make me feel better about the world.
How do you? Or anyone else know what what said? Everyone is assuming that the shooter was screaming or yelling at the girlfriend. No one knows but the two of them and I bet we hear two different stories. Don't assume anything.
And just let me know, how you know the shooter was berating the mans girlfriend? Just curious
I didnt say I knew what was said, just that the shooter verbally confronted the woman and that is in the video, the content of the conversation is immaterial.
What kind of sad world do you live in where kids losing their dad is something to joke about? Your posts come off as though you are pleased with the turnout of that confrontation. No matter how you feel about guns your outlook should value human life. If you don’t go to church....I’d recommend starting. If you do go....maybe start listening.
Yea, I would really like to hear her account. I'm sure it would be nothing but the truth. Just like she said the parking lot was full. Oh wait, there were 3 open spaces right in front of the store.
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