watched it tonight with one fan and two casual viewers. We all liked it a lot. I don’t get what people mean about it destroying the story. I have probably seen the original trilogy at least a thousand times, and I had no problem with the way this story played out.
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I agree with all of that, but there is a solid argument that The Last Jedi redeems the prequels.
" because they were movies about prophecy gone wrong. Anakin is a messiah who’s actually an antichrist. Worse, the Jedi aren’t the noble knights of legend, but a lazy priest class that lets Anakin become Vader. The Last Jediknows this. Luke Skywalker knows this and he makes damn sure that Rey and the audience learn from the mistakes of the past. It recontextualizes the prequels"
Luke and Vader are now inflated legends, like all legends, told over a campfire of a war as false as either'religion and prophecy.
I agree they had move on. This story is about Rey, who I like. It's about this pseudo Jacen/ Kylo That I like much more in this film.
Oldschool fans knew Skywalker had to pass the torch and may possibly pass away doing it, and they sold this movie on his character and possible send-off. I feel fans were not pleased with what many thought was the portrayal of a character that was total opposite of what they, and Hamill, thought of Luke.
* I'm on my phone and working the spoiler tag is annoying from here. I worded that with information that isn't outside of the trailers. I'll do a detailed one later.
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It suppose to have tied the prequels with the OT to whats happening now. It doesn't at all. It was a reason Adam Driver kept saying let it all die let it all die.
I have read some of the fans were upset at the humor injected into it. I don't get that at all. The prequels failed miserably at humor in that after the Jar Jar flop, there was no other attempt really. But, the one that started it all has a ton of humor in it:
* The droids are basically an old married couple that bicker
* Luke's chess game with Chewie
*Chewie yelling at the mouse droid on prison march and having it yelp away
* Han failing at convincing the folks checking in that they are prisoner guards and blasting intercom
* PL making fun of Luke's height as a Storm trooper
*PL overall sarcasm at the rescue team (and ship)
* C3PO thinking they had been crushed to death as they cheered when the walls stopped.
Find that interesting in 2017, such humor is now somehow making it like spaceballs. Whatevs
* The droids are basically an old married couple that bicker
* Luke's chess game with Chewie
*Chewie yelling at the mouse droid on prison march and having it yelp away
* Han failing at convincing the folks checking in that they are prisoner guards and blasting intercom
* PL making fun of Luke's height as a Storm trooper
*PL overall sarcasm at the rescue team (and ship)
* C3PO thinking they had been crushed to death as they cheered when the walls stopped.
Find that interesting in 2017, such humor is now somehow making it like spaceballs. Whatevs
Yep, I thought tonally the jokes were on par with the OT ie some nice puns and funny situations rather than the fart and physical humor Lucas threw into the terrible PT. I guess the fanboys were missing their JarJar and farting riding animals.
So speaking of butthurt fanboys, have you seen that the bad user ratings of Last Jedi is just a purposeful trolling attempt by butthurt DC fanboys on 4Chan upset that Normies hated Justice League?
https://movieweb.com/rotten-tomatoe...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
Apparently the actual audience scores have been averaging an A similar to the excellent critical reviews but the trolls have created a ton of fake accounts and spambots to write duplicative reviews.
https://movieweb.com/rotten-tomatoe...medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
Apparently the actual audience scores have been averaging an A similar to the excellent critical reviews but the trolls have created a ton of fake accounts and spambots to write duplicative reviews.
Oh and a sidenote spoiler on something I missed in the movie but found out by watching a nerd breakdown of the movie
I missed it completely but the old Jedi books were not burned down in the tree. Rey had stolen them before Yoda burns it down.
“Yoda explains that failure is a good teacher, and we must learn from mistakes, not be bogged down by them. And so he agrees that the Jedi philosophies of old must burn away, hence his actions. But as Luke expresses regret about failing Rey and burning of the books, Yoda reminds him with a wry laugh, “Wisdom they held, but that library contained nothing that the girl Rey does not already possess.” Now, at first glance, it would seem he’s referring to the Jedi ideals of using the Force for good that have already been instilled within her.
But as the movie ends, we see a quick shot of the Jedi texts on the Millennium Falcon, where they’ve been tucked away for safety: Rey stole them as she left Ahch-To. It’s highly likely the all-seeing Yoda knew that, which is why he had no problem with burning the tree. Yoda’s assuring words then inspire hope within Luke, and spur him to Force-project to Crait to save the Resistance.“
I did not catch that when I saw the film on opening day but I’ll look for it on my return to the film.
“Yoda explains that failure is a good teacher, and we must learn from mistakes, not be bogged down by them. And so he agrees that the Jedi philosophies of old must burn away, hence his actions. But as Luke expresses regret about failing Rey and burning of the books, Yoda reminds him with a wry laugh, “Wisdom they held, but that library contained nothing that the girl Rey does not already possess.” Now, at first glance, it would seem he’s referring to the Jedi ideals of using the Force for good that have already been instilled within her.
But as the movie ends, we see a quick shot of the Jedi texts on the Millennium Falcon, where they’ve been tucked away for safety: Rey stole them as she left Ahch-To. It’s highly likely the all-seeing Yoda knew that, which is why he had no problem with burning the tree. Yoda’s assuring words then inspire hope within Luke, and spur him to Force-project to Crait to save the Resistance.“
I did not catch that when I saw the film on opening day but I’ll look for it on my return to the film.
I remember seeing that and didn't draw the connection on what was shown.
Great catch!
Read a report last night that said that if 4Chan created 10,000 accounts they couldn't manipulate it to 56 or whatever that conspiracy theory number is. so they found that irrelevant. Are there spammers? Always. Do about 40% have issues with this as a Star Wars movie? Yes.
Is is good SyFy movie yes? Does even as a SyFy movie does it have WTF moments? Yes
It's going to make a ton of money and the subsequent ones are going to make a ton of money, and people will continue to have opinions.
The scale of the catastrophe that is Star Wars: The Last Jedi is difficult to comprehend without comparing it to major, historic natural disasters. Because no other movie has come anywhere close to the picture’s $151.5 million 2nd weekend box office razing, there’s no movie comparison that gives its record-obliterating failure proper context.
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Wow that fanboy must really hate the movie with that spin job.
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4355&p=.htm
“With an estimated $68 million, Disney and Lucasfilm's Star Wars: The Last Jedi remained at #1 for the second weekend in a row, doubling its closest competitor. The film, however, did drop 68% from its opening weekend, but that's not as much as a surprise as it may outwardly seem, particularly due to the lack of business over the weekend, especially on Christmas Eve, for all titles. The film is expected to top $100 million by end of day tomorrow, which is expected to be huge for most all films in release.“
It will surpass Wonder Woman and move into second place for 2017 by end of this week.
I'm a hybrid of crazy fanboy and also new idealists. So for me I'm stuck in this weird land between hating the movie at some moments and loving it as well.
It's hard for me because it does basically take Luke who was everyone's hero and for whom we had amazing hopes for and turns that on it's head. However, if I take my nostalgia connection for Luke out of the picture and simply focus on the story arc. I think it's extremely realistic and almost necessary to be able to draw a new direction for the Universe so that we can leave behind Luke, Leih, Han, etc... and focus on a new batch of characters facing new evils, etc....
So I'm divided. There are moments I hate it because it feels a bit like death of the hope for what I had for the future. And then I see it as brilliant filmmaking and story telling later. So I don't know.
It's hard for me because it does basically take Luke who was everyone's hero and for whom we had amazing hopes for and turns that on it's head. However, if I take my nostalgia connection for Luke out of the picture and simply focus on the story arc. I think it's extremely realistic and almost necessary to be able to draw a new direction for the Universe so that we can leave behind Luke, Leih, Han, etc... and focus on a new batch of characters facing new evils, etc....
So I'm divided. There are moments I hate it because it feels a bit like death of the hope for what I had for the future. And then I see it as brilliant filmmaking and story telling later. So I don't know.
I guess one of the reasons that I really like the new movie is that the portrayal of Luke seems completely consistent with how I have always perceived his character. He’s flawed, self-centered, impulsive, and easily overwhelmed. He’s also loyal, clever, and scrappy. He died as he lived, and it was time for him to go.
I re-watched it. I wanted to give it a chance knowing what it wouldn't give me.
It has some serious flaws that balance out with some good moments. It's just not a great movie.
It has some serious flaws that balance out with some good moments. It's just not a great movie.
The more I think about it, I like the overall theme and story of the movie. The only thing that seriously bugs me still is the whole side quest with Finn and Rose. They were great together and that part was fun, but it just seemed like a worthless addition to the story and I can't say anymore without giving away spoilers.
Overall I really liked the movie but that part was frustrating.
I watched it yesterday with the fam. I enjoyed it but I can see why the fanboys are up in arms.
The completely irrelevant side-plot adventure was a total waste of time. I was upset having been forced to watch it just to get to the good parts.
Giving Leia force abilities made me groan and eye-roll. Dumb.
Pretty good acting throughout. No classic one-liners. Underwhelming overall plot. Some bad choices made my the director/producers.
The completely irrelevant side-plot adventure was a total waste of time. I was upset having been forced to watch it just to get to the good parts.
Giving Leia force abilities made me groan and eye-roll. Dumb.
Pretty good acting throughout. No classic one-liners. Underwhelming overall plot. Some bad choices made my the director/producers.
Saw it today. Not all that impressed by it. I am glad I saw it and would watch it again if it was on TV. But it did not move the excitement barometer very much for me.
The side plot was to have Finn grow from someone with a good heart but nervous about his own safety into a true selfless hero. The fact it didn’t succeed just adds to the overall movie’s message that success comes out of repeated failure. If Finn’s mission had succeeded then the Resistance’s remnants would have slunk away without notice by the rest of the galaxy when they simply knocked out the tracker and warped out. Instead, a First Order Dreadnought was destroyed in a noble sacrifice and Luke’s reappearance reignites hope in the Resistance.
Leia having force powers makes sense. She was Luke’s twin and while she never had the time to properly develop them, both Luke, Anakin and Rey showed that even untrained individuals can wield tremendous power. I do think that scene was wasted as they should have had Admiral Ackbar be the sacrifice rather than a nube and it would have been better if she lifted rubble to save herself than just fly through space. But I was fine with it.
And what do you mean no one liners? The movie was littered with them.
Luke Skywalker: Where are you from?
Rey: Nowhere.
Luke Skywalker: Nobody is from nowhere.
Rey: Jakku.
Luke Skywalker: Yeah, that's pretty much nowhere.
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Poe Dameron: Permission to hop in an X-Wing and blow something up?
Leia Organa: Permission granted.
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[R2-D2 beeps]
Luke Skywalker: Hey, sacred planet, watch the language!
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Leia Organa: [to Luke] I know what you're gonna say. I changed my hair.
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Leia Organa: Wipe that nervous expression off your face, Threepio.
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Poe Dameron: You must have a thousand questions.
Finn: Where's Rey?
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General Hux: This is General Hux of the First Order. The Republic is no more. Your fleet are Rebel scum and war criminals. Tell your precious princess there will be no terms, there will be no surrender...
Poe Dameron: Hi, I'm holding for General Hux.
General Hux: This is Hux. You and your friends are doomed. We will wipe your filth from the galaxy.
Poe Dameron: Okay. I'll hold.
General Hux: Hello?
Poe Dameron: Hello? Yup, I'm still here.
************
Leia having force powers makes sense. She was Luke’s twin and while she never had the time to properly develop them, both Luke, Anakin and Rey showed that even untrained individuals can wield tremendous power. I do think that scene was wasted as they should have had Admiral Ackbar be the sacrifice rather than a nube and it would have been better if she lifted rubble to save herself than just fly through space. But I was fine with it.
And what do you mean no one liners? The movie was littered with them.
Luke Skywalker: Where are you from?
Rey: Nowhere.
Luke Skywalker: Nobody is from nowhere.
Rey: Jakku.
Luke Skywalker: Yeah, that's pretty much nowhere.
********
Poe Dameron: Permission to hop in an X-Wing and blow something up?
Leia Organa: Permission granted.
***************
[R2-D2 beeps]
Luke Skywalker: Hey, sacred planet, watch the language!
************
Leia Organa: [to Luke] I know what you're gonna say. I changed my hair.
*********
Leia Organa: Wipe that nervous expression off your face, Threepio.
***********
Poe Dameron: You must have a thousand questions.
Finn: Where's Rey?
**********
General Hux: This is General Hux of the First Order. The Republic is no more. Your fleet are Rebel scum and war criminals. Tell your precious princess there will be no terms, there will be no surrender...
Poe Dameron: Hi, I'm holding for General Hux.
General Hux: This is Hux. You and your friends are doomed. We will wipe your filth from the galaxy.
Poe Dameron: Okay. I'll hold.
General Hux: Hello?
Poe Dameron: Hello? Yup, I'm still here.
************
Saw it today— I’m a Star Wars fan but have never read any of the EU novels. What kills me after today is it actually makes me appreciate episodes 1-3 more.
This movie wasn’t bad but did feel like a non-Skywalker SW. . I also liked Rey more in Episode 7. I was hoping more of a back story and more substance on Snoke. I’m going to have to watch it again.
This movie wasn’t bad but did feel like a non-Skywalker SW. . I also liked Rey more in Episode 7. I was hoping more of a back story and more substance on Snoke. I’m going to have to watch it again.
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