Yes, it’s pretty black and white to me that I can’t grab someone’s ass unless they want me to, and it doesn’t matter what they’re wearing.
Watch who's ass you're grabbing...
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Yes, it’s pretty black and white to me that I can’t grab someone’s ass unless they want me to, and it doesn’t matter what they’re wearing.
The girl was at work. It makes no difference what the hell she was wearing. She was working. To bring it up at all was stupid. It implies that it was partly her fault, which is garbage.
You can wear a burka and still get sexually assaulted - it happens all the time. Predators don’t pick targets based on clothing, they pick them on opportunity.
You can wear a burka and still get sexually assaulted - it happens all the time. Predators don’t pick targets based on clothing, they pick them on opportunity.
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RRR don't try and be above it; you seem to state that what this guy did requires a sex offender tag for the rest of his life. I am good with that; as long as that is the standard for anyone who ever grops a female in a bar.
Assaulting a woman is not a “mistake.”
Sorry, but that shouldn't qualify as assault to any reasonable person. At least not to the point of having to register as a sex offender and stay away from schools and parks. Anyone who thinks that truly should not be able to vote.
I am good with that. So if you ever grab a woman's butt you should be classified as a sex offender; be disqualified to work in a very large number of professional fields, be marked for the rest of your life, etc. Starting to love this zero tolerance idea.
Glad to hear that. Just remember the accusation is the determining factor in being guilty. Hope no one ever accuses you of grabbing their butt in an elevator; or somewhere else. I am sure you are very careful but all it takes is one accusation. Hopefully you will never be on the wrong side of one of those.
To be clear the people that are obviously aggressive towards women should be punished; I just wonder where this moral outrage comes from all of the sudden.
It’s not all of the sudden. It’s never been okay to assault women.
The accusation is not the determining factor. We all have seen the video; the man clearly assaulted this woman.
In my line of work, I spend all day in a closed office with mostly women who are often dealing with personality disorders and other mental illnesses, and we are often talking about sex and other potentially risky subjects. Occasionally, one of these women will make a false accusation against me. That is simply a hazard of the job.
I don’t have to be particularly careful to avoid having my reputation or career or life ruined by an accusation. It is actually really easy.
The accusation is not the determining factor. We all have seen the video; the man clearly assaulted this woman.
In my line of work, I spend all day in a closed office with mostly women who are often dealing with personality disorders and other mental illnesses, and we are often talking about sex and other potentially risky subjects. Occasionally, one of these women will make a false accusation against me. That is simply a hazard of the job.
I don’t have to be particularly careful to avoid having my reputation or career or life ruined by an accusation. It is actually really easy.
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I bet there are plenty of victims who have wondered where the moral outrage has been hiding all these years.
Don't disagree and in year or so the US public will be onto something new. The situation isn't that hard treat people with respect and in most cases you will be fine. My issue is when the feeding frenzy gets crazy and all of the sudden you as the reported assailant becomes the victim, how do you get your reputation back. I guess we could just destroy anyone who is accused and call it a day.
I'm sorry that we as a society can only swing from one extreme to the other without any reasonable middle ground.
It is not “reasonable middle ground” to deny that grabbing a woman’s ass without her consent is assault.
Do you honestly think he should be jailed and have to register a sex offender and all that goes along with that?
Absolutely. Punishing these behaviors in this manner is necessary to fundamentally change the culture and reduce the rate of sexual assault.
Men need to be absolutely terrified of the consequences of assaulting women. Otherwise, they are going to keep assaulting women.
That you think that way is scary.
What about grabbing/slapping a guys butt? Should I be going after everyone that has done that, cause I have a long list of men and women that I need to press charges against.
Should we also treat women as equal on every level of life?
Never once said she should have to.
There are a plethora of studies of dress and perceptions ranging from the job market to the street. I don't agree with the judgment personally, especially tats, but they are a part of life.
Stating that the dress of a waitress or waiter in a beer and pizza joint can be conducive to some drunken losers actions doesn't mean the person asked for it or it was validated.
I was making an observation.
If you are fine with having your ass grabbed, then obviously that’s not an assault.
jeez, what is so hard to understand about not touching people, men or women, without their consent?
I don’t know what you mean by “every level of life.”
Circumstances matter. In circumstances in which women have been disproportionately harmed, then they should be disproportionately protected. Same for men.
I agree circumstances matter. So to the question, if you are falsely accused of assaulting a woman should you be equally charged, shamed etc?
Yes, that’s exactly what I was saying in that post: women should be disproportionately protected in circumstances associated with their being disproportionately harmed. I feel the same way about circumstances in which men are disproportionately harmed.
I don’t think that anybody who has been falsely accused of assaulting a woman or a man should be charged or shamed, regardless of gender.
So if a woman accuses a man of assaulting her; and we find out it was a false claim there should be no action?
No, the woman should be punished severely for leveling a false accusation.
I don’t understand why we are talking about false accusations, though, as the topic of this thread is clearly and undeniably an assault.
I don’t understand why we are talking about false accusations, though, as the topic of this thread is clearly and undeniably an assault.
Mainly because you are so one sided on your views. So far we have established that if a woman accuses a man of assault he is guilty. However if the charge is proven false there should be no action. How is that fair justice; and yes I know false claims are much lower than real claims. I am just trying to figure out where your level of justice lies. Grab a woman's butt register as a sexual predator; which equals a person who molests kids. Sounds reasonable.
What? How the hell do you get that from what he wrote? You’re just looking for a fight. He posted something in support of your argument and you came out swinging. Instead of saying “my bad” you’ve continued to double down on this crap show. As usual.
What are you talking about?! I literally just posted that a woman should be “punished severely” for leveling a false accusation against a man.
Ranger, you need to slow down and actually read what I am posting rather than making boneheaded assumptions about my “views.”
My mistake on that I must have misread it. Interesting how many folks pointed this out though. I gotta go hang out with the wife; flying out early Sunday. Appreciate everyone's input. UCLA your a bonehead not me
I enjoyed replying today while dodging thunderstorms fishing. I'm glad I could bring stupid observations into the Locker Room.
It's been a while
When did everything become so angry? I agreed with the vast majority on this thread and about 95% of the principle, and was viewed as the hostile enemy. Lol
You can wear your Trump or Hillary hats, I'll still serve you. It's foolish not to listen to someone with a different view than you.in fact, you should most question yourself when you only surround yourself with people who believe just like you.
Peace
It's been a while
When did everything become so angry? I agreed with the vast majority on this thread and about 95% of the principle, and was viewed as the hostile enemy. Lol
You can wear your Trump or Hillary hats, I'll still serve you. It's foolish not to listen to someone with a different view than you.in fact, you should most question yourself when you only surround yourself with people who believe just like you.
Peace
Didn't you complain about people speaking in absolutes in another thread?
For this type of 'assault', no way should a person be branded as a predator. Quite honestly, any jail time would be a bit harsh imo.
