The spread of general nuttery — about any issue or topic — has been accelerated by social media. There have ALWAYS been wingnuts out there. Always. In the old days we never heard from them and never even realized they were alive.
There were at its peak around 15,500 symptomatic cases of polio in the US. 70% of the cases were asymptomatic. Less than 1% of the cases resulted in paralysis. There were around 3300 deaths at its peak. The real issue with the deaths were lack of access to hospitals and the iron lung. At that time the iron lung was prohibitively expensive for most non-major city hospitals to own. So, most of the deaths were in rural areas. In most cases the paralysis was temporary. However, a small percentage were life long paralysis, usually the legs. I knew a couple of folks with life long leg paralysis who wore braces and used crutches. Because this mainly hit children, there was a lot of panic in the summers (it was a seasonal virus). The initial salk vaccine was effective, but also caused some infections that led to paralysis and death. It has been improved upon several times since the 1950s. There hasn't been a case in the US since the mid 1970s and there are only two small pockets in Pakistan and Aghganistan were it still exists. It remains, along with the small pox vaccine as the two most successful vaccine programs we have had. Hopefully, the Covid vaccine joins them.
Well, gosh, its not like Fauci and the CDC said..."its 10 or 15 people, and then in the spring it'll all just kind of go away."
I know it is not just one. It is still a very insignificant number. Tiny when compared to overall infections per day. Vaccines are already mandated, although some counties and states make opting out easy. Vaccine fear started when Andrew Wakefield published a study in Lancet. Lancet is the international equivalent of the American Medical Journal. He connected the mandated MMR vaccine with autism. It was later discovered that he faked much of his study with the intention of profiting on the lawsuits that resulted from his fraudulent study. He was stripped of his medical license. Probably should have been sent to prison. He has since moved to the U.S. where he has been embraced by the antivax crowd. Hundreds of people have died because of a misguided belief in his fabricated study. More or less his study gave birth to the antivax movement. More will die needlessly, just as people who do not get vaccinated for Covid will needlessly die. I know of two vaccine hesitant people that died. It is a waste.
Doyou want me to find the clip of fauci saying once vaccinated, you were safe and had nothing to worry about?
You know, you did used to see the quacks. These are the Drs. that used to come out in defense of the tobacco industry even though the vast majority of other Drs. said smoking caused health issues. You would see them on one side of a lawsuit as expert witnesses taking a contrary position to the conventional science of the day. I think most of the nuts you see on social media are taking their stance for a profit motive or for their 15 minutes of fame.
There are certainly risks with the vaccine. My second shot of Moderna made briefly mildly ill. These risks are infinitesimal when compared with the short and long term risks of a serious Covid illness. This virus is almost as new as the vaccine. What will happen to those that get infected in 3 years time is also unknown. The information currently available is overwhelmingly in favor of getting the vaccine. Again, I know of two vaccine hesitant people that died. I know of 2 other people that are going to have very serious long term health issues from the virus that were not vaccinated. I have people in my employ that are struggling to get back to normal after a month. These people have to do breathing treatments during the course of the day and use rescue inhalers. I know of one vaccinated person with auto immune issues that contracted the virus. He is ok. Easy decision as far as I am concerned.
So, you don't know 100 people thta have gotten covid.
I'm glad it's an easy decision for you and I respect your right to make that decision.
I would have no problem doing the above except losing the weight because I am of normal weight. I agree with you that a major problem in this country is obesity. I tell every one that you can move that weight around when your young but when you get older carrying around a lot of extra weight is burden. I am 61 and can still play basketball. I agree that your level of health makes handling this virus easier to a degree. I had it. It was not as bad as the common cold. I think some of that is genetics. I have a morbidly obese sister, older then me and a cancer survivor. She had the same experience as me. She told me that if she were allowed she would not have missed a single day of work. There are anecdotal examples people with elite levels of fitness that have died. Personally I would not rely on my fitness level as a determination of getting the shot.
Stop making it political. Fauci isn’t conducting the research or peer reviewing it. It has nothing to do with him. The research is peer reviewed they aren’t opinion pieces.
Yes! Can you post it along with the one saying..." it'll be over in the spring"? I'm not real good at that.
This vaccine isn't the MMR vaccine. Apples to oranges. My "anti-vax mandate" stance is solely regarding the covid vaccine.
Yep, the data has no political influences. I couldn’t care less what Fauci or Desantis or Trump or anyone say. The data is strong and unbiased. You’re the one who’s obsessing over what some 80 year old guy says. I’m listening to what every single reputable study is saying with numbers and facts. I’m listening to what every hospital is releasing in terms of vaxxed vs unvaxxed data in their hospitals.
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96 percent of physicians are vaccinated. Drops as the educational level of health care workers drop. Evidence is overwhelming despite anecdotal evidence. One or two stories of adverse events is not supportive of your argument. I get how it might form your opinion. Parents with autistic children frequently blame the MMR vaccination. I did not say this was the MMR vaccine. I just said that was the beginning of vaccine hesitancy in general. I think the majority of people that are against this vaccine are so for political reasons. Many started as Covid deniers. They evolved into the crowd that said this was an illness for elderly and not that many people would die. Then they blamed China for a lab leak. Now it is a distrust of government. I am not saying this is you but I can go back and look at many of the vaccine hesitant posters on this board and they were espousing this kind of nonsense back in March of 2020. I also think there are some people and not an insignificant number that are scared of needles. Probably have not gotten a shot of anything in decades and rationalize their hesitancy for all kinds of crazy reasons. The science overwhelmingly disagrees with your position. I can tell your mind is closed to the topic. I am going to stop trying to change it. I would be interested in what you thought at the beginning of the pandemic. Also what your opinion is on the origin of the virus.
Well, if you can't squat 1x your body weight you need to put on some pounds, and add muscle.
I am pissed off with him, yes. He's a lifelong government employee and beaurocrat. He's supposed to be a scientist, not a policy maker. It is also my opinion that he's a media whore.
I think it is highly likely that the deaths in all age groups were mostly from the unvaccinated segment. I will tell you I know of dozens of infections in the last 5 weeks. Several in the over 50 age group and they wee overwhelmingly unvaccinated.
Look, I do not work out with heavy weights but I could easily squat that amount. There have been young weight trained athletes that have died.
I'd be willing to bet $100 to your favorite charity that you can't do a lowbar squat for 3 sets at 5 reps with proper depth of your body weight. Name the charity and record all three sets. Post it by Tuesday.
All three vaccines are 100 per cent effective against death and hospitalisation, Fauci says
’Waiting for a more effective vaccine is actually the worst thing you can do to lower your risk of getting severely ill and dying of Covid-19’
That good enough?
And while it may seem like I am anti vaccine, I'm not. I'd prefer to wait for this to have a bit more track record. Then I will take it.
But I'll be damned if some jackass in any political office is going to make it mandatory. Eff them and eff that. Anyone that thinks MANDATORY vaccines are a good thing..... I just don't know what to say or think.
George Marshal, George Patton, Dwight Eisenhower etc were all lifelong government employees. What makes one a bureaucrat and the others not. I could name a bunch more. I have said this before and it applies in this situation. Lawyers say when the law supports your argument pound the law. When the facts support your argument pound the facts. When neither support your stance pound the table. Blaming Fauci and posting what has turned out over time inaccurate is a deflection and a pound the table type of argument. This is a new virus that changed over time. Guidance or information given out 6 months ago might not be accurate today. It was accurate based on what they knew at the time. When Fauci first said masks were not effective I actually thought to myself he was probably saying that to save the PPE for health care workers. It seemed counterintuitive to me that masks were not beneficial. Those were my thoughts at the time. Anecdotal information and posting things people in the government said that were proven wrong is not evidence supporting vaccine hesitancy. Just like if I show you a guy that was a weight training triathlete who died in England from Covid is not compelling evidence that I am right. There may not be any long term studies but these vaccines are among the most tested in history. They are days away from full FDA approval. Is that because they are risk free? Certainly not. It is because the benefit that they will do far outweighs the risk.
The doctor I mentioned performed a surgery the day he took the vaccine. Not merely a coincidence that he can no longer operate. What's his remedy? Re anecdotal evidence--if data were more robust and nuanced, anecdotal evidence would mean less.
I am too busy to do the above for 100 bucks. I can donate to my charity. I might consider this if you would get vaccinated if I did it rather then for money.
I made my decision in April. If they are wrong, which I think is highly unlikely I will deal with the consequences. More likely because of vaccine hesitancy I will need a booster in the fall. I will take that as well.
Just an aside. At one time as part of my job I used to put over 200 pounds on my back and climb up ladders. Did this from sunup to sunset for several years. Have not done this in decades but I still think I could.
By the way, if I'm mandated to vaccinate, you should be mandated to low bar squat. Sorry... But it's for my good too.
I'll bet you $100 to a children's hospital that there will be 0 common adverse effects from the vaccine in 12 months in people who are not already at risk (allergies, etc.).
