I'm not taking a side for or against. What I'm saying is that there is information out there on both sides. Even messaging for the shot doesn't sound that confident. Words like can doesn't drive home the point. Also, early on the shot was billed to stop or reduce infections but then changed to prevents serious illness. Doesn't really scream confidence. I was on board early in the process but as things moved on not so much. Like you I wish now that I hadn't taken the shot.
Fake news?
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What it doesn't do is give you Covid despite the claims of one poster here.
As new variants of the virus came, the vaccine required changes too. The Delta variant was particularly rough causing hospitalization and too often death for those who contracted it. The vaccine definitely reduced the severity and subsequent effects. All of the eight people I knew who died from Covid succumbed to that variant. Also, everyone of them were unvaccinated.
No. It was the initial infection that killed each of them.
Of course. What I'm saying is the vaccine was touted as slowing the spread and you won't get covid. Then it changed to you won't get really sick. Now the reason is that the vaccine had to be changed as variants came out. Ok. My point is that with all we know about Flu vaccinations and how they might or might not work why not market the covid vaccine the same way? If you're not sure just say so and be straight with the public. With all the politicizing that was going on anyway the government should have been a bit smarter in how they presented the message. Alot of the issues with the vaccine was self-induced. Covid is like alot of things these days. The public is making assumptions based on very limited information.
Anyway, this horse is dead.
None of them had a undiagnosed case before that? No other conditions that would have contributed to it? All eight caught the delta variant and died?
Of the eight, I believe five were with the Delta variant. The other three came early.
Just spoke with a Gal that had Covid 19 and has caught Covid twice since, one being the variant. In both cases they were milder. More than one way to skin the cat?
Certainly but not if you die the first time you get it.
Yes we are fortunate that later variants have been less deleterious. It could have gone the other way though. You can’t count on that happening every time.
agree and some have died just from the vaccine and also there are many that have shown to be unvaccinated that have had less Covid infections.
See Africa
How Has Africa Largely Evaded the COVID-19 Pandemic?
The number of people who died from an adverse effect to the vaccine was .000017235% of 310 million shots given. While I feel badly for those who died, that is not a statistically significant number.agree and some have died just from the vaccine and also there are many that have shown to be unvaccinated that have had less Covid infections.
See Africa
How Has Africa Largely Evaded the COVID-19 Pandemic?
healthpolicy.fsi.stanford.edu
I have been fortunate to never contract Covid, and I am grateful for the vaccines and the on-going updates to the vaccines. I have also been fortunate not to have lost a single member of my family or social network, personal or professional, to Covid. I do attribute that in large part to everybody within that network being vaccinated and conscientious in their adherence to mitigation strategies. The vaccine controversy has been something about which I have read and observed online, but I have never actually encountered it in my day-to-day life, thankfully.
My personal belief is that once we learn more about Covid, we will discover that genetics played a major, if not primary, role in who became ill and died.
My personal belief is that once we learn more about Covid, we will discover that genetics played a major, if not primary, role in who became ill and died.
People die from reactions to medications every day. It is always significant to the affected families. That doesn't mean those medications are not effective for the vast majority of the users and do much more good than harm.
Nothing in that article supports a theory that Africa had less covid issues bc of vaccines. Africa had less issues bc they have a much younger population overall bc people die much younger there in general. I have a buddy who worked for the CDC and was in Africa went COVID first started. He said they had so few issues bc other diseases bad already killed off most of the old and weak which is basically who COVID affected. Africa is a brutal place.agree and some have died just from the vaccine and also there are many that have shown to be unvaccinated that have had less Covid infections.
See Africa
How Has Africa Largely Evaded the COVID-19 Pandemic?
Not about vaccines just that they had less Covid deaths than the US. So being younger were less likely to die from Covid? I just find Africa's numbers to be surprising considering it being so brutal. Stronger Natural Immunity?
It’s literally survival of the fittest in Africa. The main victims of COVID in developed countries were older folks or those with lots of co-morbidities, those people hardly even exist in Africa.
Well, that’s a theory. It could be a whole lot of factors but I think the data overall has been pretty strong in favor of the vaccines across the world.
Fauci and W.H.O.'s narrative more credible than Dr. McMillan's research?
narrative- mask wearing works? masks don't work? 6 foot distance? virus released by wet market? Vaccine stops Covid and its spread? etc etc?
I am not anti-vax but there are issues with the Covid vaccine that appear to be ignored.
Dr. McMillan has no research. He has a theory. It’s unclear what his actual credentials even are if you google him.
A theory contrasted with the many falsehoods in the ever changing narrative that Fauci, WHO, NIH, CDC etc have uttered.
Doesn't it just make sense that the narrative would change as more was learned? What do you think "Novel" means in reference to Novel Coronavirus which describes COVID-19?
Might be time to drop the religious reference unless of course you treat science as a form of religion. lol
Should we refer to you as the "Settled Science" guy?
Let me finish it for you:
Please dear baby Jesus please let the next pandemic be super deadly that way such stupidity will be culled from our species
Doing 180's on a narrative looks more like authoritarian propaganda from my view.
Me on the shore you + friends on the river?
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This is the bullshit one posts when they can't answer a simple question.
When absolute YES becomes absolute NO the science narrative ends. No? Why does it seem you are so angry?
Absolutely. Especially when dealing with bullshit, goal post moving arguments like in this thread.
bullshit? or truth?
Covid was transmitted via eating a pangolin
masks will protect you from Covid
Gain in function research wasn't financed by the US in Wuhan lab
The vaccine will prevent you from catching/spreading Covid
WHO stating the virus was not transmittable to humans
6ft distance is safe from the virus
plexiglass shields will protect you from Covid
Covid didn't come from a lab in Wuhan etc etc
"Settled Science"?
conspiracy theory?
SMH LOL
Rules for thee not for me?
JMO but one can disagree or question without being disagreeable or personally attacked. NO?
Covid was transmitted via eating a pangolin
masks will protect you from Covid
Gain in function research wasn't financed by the US in Wuhan lab
The vaccine will prevent you from catching/spreading Covid
WHO stating the virus was not transmittable to humans
6ft distance is safe from the virus
plexiglass shields will protect you from Covid
Covid didn't come from a lab in Wuhan etc etc
"Settled Science"?
conspiracy theory?
SMH LOL
Rules for thee not for me?
JMO but one can disagree or question without being disagreeable or personally attacked. NO?
Please stop "weaponizing" this conversation by hoping that another pandemic will kill people you believe are stupid.
At this point, I really need a "safe space" to recover from the trauma of all of this.
Ill play.
Covid was transmitted via eating a pangolin: Not proven either way but sounds like bullshit.
masks will protect you from Covid: Again, no proof either way. Can you smell a fart through a mask? If masks work so well why doesn't OSHA approve them for use with chemicals?
Gain in function research wasn't financed by the US in Wuhan lab: It was and there was active contracts at that lab.
The vaccine will prevent you from catching/spreading Covid: Bullshit
WHO stating the virus was not transmittable to humans: Bullshit
6ft distance is safe from the virus: Common sense to assume that would be the case but the idea wasn't based in any research so bullshit.
plexiglass shields will protect you from Covid: This was the dumbest thing I saw dumbasses doing besides wearing masks.
Covid didn't come from a lab in Wuhan etc etc: Hmmm it didn't originate from the lab they were doing research on the very thing that supposedly naturally occurred at a wet market in the same location. Bullshit.
Of course, it's just my opinion that those things are bullshit but they sure seem that way.
Not when you disagree with certain opinions on covid, evolution, trans issues ect... What you can do is call people stupid or utilize other personal attacks if you're on a certain side of an argument.
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