I never said there weren't any exceptions. But they are a fraction of a percent. That's per the CDC
How will covid effect this season
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Were you officially diagnosed with Covid/variant? Just wondering....I think there are still garden variety colds and flus out there, although they seem to be overlooked. Irrespective, glad you are both back to full speed.
Didn't realize you both had been sick. Glad to hear everyone is on the mend.
All they need to do is announce a mask requirement and we will leave our seats open!
The positivity rate in Mobile county (AL) is now 33%...... the highest county in the worse state. It takes another 14 days after the second shot to be considered 97% immune. Vaccines are up but still no where close to what they need to be. Just very disheartening. A local Dr. just died and another female has been flown to UAB for a ventilator and the ECMO machine. She couldn't regret more not taking the vaccine any more now. For her and others at this stage is too late for a shot(s). In short, it's just a #$%@&%$ mess.
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Don’t think you’ll see a “mandate”, but I’d expect LOTS of strongly suggested/emphasis on getting mask on as many as folks there as possible
RT rate went down today in FL for the first time since early June…so it may not be far off
Israel of all places have started with the third shot(s). The booster shot is just another Phizer shot I believe.
Man, I hope that's some light at the end of the tunnel. AL still skyrocketing.
We may reach a point where health insurance companies decline hospitalization costs for the unvaccinated.
Right after we stop treating fats with heat disease. Or people who wear motorcycles without helmets. Or even people who drive with no seat belt.
Now you have naturally acquired immunity, which is extremely likely to be better than the vaccines.
Um, no. For one thing, the vaccines aren't even FDA approved yet. Still emergency use only. It's hilarious to require vaccines that aren't even FDA approved yet. Make them available? Sure. Required? Too early to even think about. Although millions are going to be required to take them, anyway. But I don't see insurance companies doing that. They don't exclude unvaccinated people for any other disease.
It's not truth. It's conspiracy theories sold to the masses by social media influencers and political pundits who have no expertise in their field and are more interested in stirring up trouble than helping people.
So, assuming this is correct, logically, the smartest and most fortunate people are the folks who get vaccinated and still get a form of COVID.
They have a much lower risk of hospitalization due to vaccine immunity, but they also get the benefit of natural immunity.
Yet another good argument for the vaccine. Thank you.
I've always said the best immunity against polio was to get polio and get the antibodies naturally.
Polio wasn't that big a deal. Only 1% of polio patients had paralysis and only 5%-15% of those cases were lethal so like a .0005%. It's a crime against humanity that the vaccine is required to go to school. Sure we eradicated the disease but at what cost to our freedoms.
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Listen. If you want to get the polio vaccine because "science" says you should then go for it but I pray one day my childrens' childrens' children are free from tyranny of the scientific method.
How did the great writers of the past survive without emojis?
I was laying it on as thick as possible. Thought it was pretty obvious. Guess not.
You arrived at the conclusion you wanted, with no help from my post. You are welcome.
If you have natural immunity, there is absolutely no need for the vaccine. In fact, there are specific contraindications to taking the vaccine when you already have natural immunity.
However, there are millions of people who have received 'false positive' Covid tests, had no symptoms, and think they have 'recovered.' These people have no immunity. They may need to be vaccinated, depending on their risk profile and medical history.
I suspect that many are encouraging "people who have had Covid" to get the vaccine for this very reason; False positive = no immunity. Others, of course, want to vaccinate every living person in America - booster shots to follow annually.
I was simply trying to keep my post to Goldmom positive and encouraging.
it's not really a vaccine though is it. there is zero correlation between the shots people are getting for COVID and the actual vaccines people receive for traditional highly infectious illnesses like measles, polio, tetanus etc. in all of those latter instances people are actually receiving an inactive virus or a minimal live virus or corresponding live virus so that their bodies can produce an immune response to it.
the COVID shots on the other hand are actually altering the genetic sequence causing people to make a toxin in their bodies to fight something they may or may not ever have. literally poisoning yourself with zero knowledge of what the long term effects will be.
it's akin to when my daughter had cancer. chemo saved her life. my wife and i had massive fears that our son would become cancer stricken too, improbable i know, we were scared to death at that time, but we still understood it was irrational to have our son take the toxins that saved our daughter's life to prevent something he didn't have.
Fact check: COVID-19 vaccines don't produce dangerous toxins
Public health officials say the coronavirus vaccines are safe and effective at preventing severe COVID-19 cases.
www.usatoday.com
Fact Check-No evidence spike proteins from COVID-19 vaccines are toxic
There is no proof that spike proteins created in response to mRNA vaccines are harmful to the body, scientists have told Reuters.
www.reuters.com
Spike protein produced by vaccine not toxic
CLAIM: COVID-19 vaccines make people produce a spike protein that is a toxin and can spread to other parts of the body and damage organs. AP’S ASSESSMENT: False.
apnews.com
from the article:Fact check: COVID-19 vaccines don't produce dangerous toxins
Public health officials say the coronavirus vaccines are safe and effective at preventing severe COVID-19 cases.www.usatoday.com
Fact Check-No evidence spike proteins from COVID-19 vaccines are toxic
There is no proof that spike proteins created in response to mRNA vaccines are harmful to the body, scientists have told Reuters.
Spike protein produced by vaccine not toxic
CLAIM: COVID-19 vaccines make people produce a spike protein that is a toxin and can spread to other parts of the body and damage organs. AP’S ASSESSMENT: False.
" Our rating: False
The claim that spike proteins from coronavirus vaccines are dangerous toxins that cause damage in the body is FALSE, based on our research. "it remains unknown how the body will react long term. regardless the COVID shot is not a vaccine, it is a genetic therapy. the manufacturers themselves even refer to it as such. i do find it fascinating though that booster shots are now being spoken of. this is contradictory to the very reason for using mRNA in the first place.
I get it. You are not a believer. Doesn’t mean you should be posting a false narrative using terms like “toxins”. Too much bs being posted as fact and it is dangerous.
And I'm just saying this because I care, there are a lot of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real the real thing. I have no social media accounts and the thought of me listening to the "influencers" that reside there is beyond laughable. Do you seriously think what is happening in Australia, France, Belgium, and England are actually conspiracy theories?
i suppose if you choose to gloss over the inclusion of the word "dangerous" by all fact checkers when they speak of the toxin then it's easy to come to the conclusion that it is false. no one knows if it is dangerous but no matter what, the COVID shot is genetic therapy using mRNA to induce a toxic protein designed to neutralize the virus.
tox•in tŏk′sĭn
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A poisonous substance, especially a protein, that is produced by living cells or organisms and is capable of causing disease when introduced into the body tissues but is often also capable of inducing neutralizing antibodies or antitoxins.
“COVID-19 vaccines instruct the body to produce spike proteins that teach the immune system to combat the spikes on the coronavirus, and experts say these proteins are not toxic.”
Spike protein produced by vaccine not toxic
CLAIM: COVID-19 vaccines make people produce a spike protein that is a toxin and can spread to other parts of the body and damage organs. AP’S ASSESSMENT: False.
apnews.com
you can keep posting any one of the litany of fact check reports that came out in response to bridle's statements. every one of them will find it false because he made accusations that the protein created would damage organs. neither he or anyone else knows the long terms effects of the protein.“COVID-19 vaccines instruct the body to produce spike proteins that teach the immune system to combat the spikes on the coronavirus, and experts say these proteins are not toxic.”
Spike protein produced by vaccine not toxic
CLAIM: COVID-19 vaccines make people produce a spike protein that is a toxin and can spread to other parts of the body and damage organs. AP’S ASSESSMENT: False.
it's laughable that "and experts say these proteins are not toxic" the protein created is the absolute definition of a toxin. toxins can be beneficial. cancer patients are acutely aware of that.
regardless, back to my original point, it's not a vaccine. the COVID shots using mRNA do not produce an immune response. they produce a protein to combat the virus that our immune system is supposed to be able to learn from.
at least @ChiefWB is willing to entertain a debate on this.
lets just start with this:
vac•cine văk-sēn′, văk′sēn″
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A preparation of a weakened or killed pathogen, such as a bacterium or virus, or of a portion of the pathogen's structure that upon administration to an individual stimulates antibody production or cellular immunity against the pathogen but is incapable of causing severe infection.
Ok, it’s not a “vaccine” in the traditional sense. Much like the flu “vaccine” isn’t. If it is safe and viable, I’m not hung up on the name.
the flu vaccine isn't long lasting but still uses the standard approach of dosing inactive virus or weakened live virus to stimulate an immune response. where it is compromised is that each year the viral load used is representative of the best guess as to the prevalent strain for the upcoming flu season.
moderna is now attempting through clinical trials to bring an mRNA flu vaccine.
