What a great example of ignorance and indifference. Please tell your sixth wife we all said Hello.
How will covid effect this season
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Wrong. I had a dear friend who just died who previously had covid, but she didn't make it after 28 days on a ventilator and the ECMO and dialysis. "Acquired Immunity" is not safe people!
Nothing is safe. The vaccine isn't safe. Covid isn't safe. Natural immunity isn't safe. What I am saying is that natural immunity is BETTER than the vaccine immunity. That's not even debated. It's true for every disease.
What SOME are debating is that perhaps it's better to have BOTH natural immunity AND the vaccine. I think there's good evidence to believe that's not true, and that the vaccine is actually more hazardous for people with natural immunity than it is for people with no natural immunity. Reasonable people disagree. Fine!
Unreasonable people acquire an opinion, and claim "that's what the science says!" and refuse to even listen to any research data that disagrees with them. Media has mostly only covered/allowed one opinion to be broadcast regarding masks, vaccines, etc, even when it directly contradicts something "science" said just days or weeks earlier.
I urge you to tell your friends to get treated IMMEDIATELY for Covid symptoms, and NOT wait to go to the hospital. The survival rate for people who go on ventilators is very low. It's like going to hospice.
You probably haven't read this:
Spike Mutations Render Vaccinated Vulnerable to Delta
Importantly, the Delta variant contains three different mutations, all in the spike protein. This, McCullough explains, allows this variant to evade the immune responses in those who have received the COVID jabs — but not those who have natural immunity which, again, is much broader. In a June 30, 2021, appearance on Fox News (video above), McCullough stated:12Children’s Health Defense chief scientific officer Brian Hooker, Ph.D., has echoed McCullough’s sentiments. The Defender quotes Hooker:14
Real-World Data Show Most of Infected are Fully ‘Vaccinated’
Real-world data from areas with high COVID jab rates show the complete converse of what media, the CDC and White House officials are telling us. In addition to the British Technical Briefing No. 16,15 cited above, we have additional data from Israel, Scotland, Massachusetts and Gibraltar:• August 1, 2021, director of Israel’s Public Health Services, Dr. Sharon Alroy-Preis, announced half of all COVID-19 infections were among the fully vaccinated.16 Signs of more serious disease among fully vaccinated are also emerging, she said, particularly in those over the age of 60.
A few days later, August 5, Dr. Kobi Haviv, director of the Herzog Hospital in Jerusalem, appeared on Channel 13 News, reporting that 95% of severely ill COVID-19 patients are fully vaccinated, and that they make up 85% to 90% of COVID-related hospitalizations overall.17 As of August 2, 2021, 66.9% of Israelis had received at least one dose of Pfizer’s injection, which is used exclusively in Israel; 62.2% had received two doses.18
• In Scotland, official data on hospitalizations and deaths show 87% of those who have died from COVID-19 in the third wave that began in early July were vaccinated.19
• A CDC investigation of an outbreak in Barnstable County, Massachusetts, between July 6 through July 25, 2021, found 74% of those who received a diagnosis of COVID19, and 80% of hospitalizations, were among the fully vaccinated.20,21 Most, but not all, had the Delta variant of the virus.
The CDC also found that fully vaccinated individuals who contract the infection have as high a viral load in their nasal passages as unvaccinated individuals who get infected.22 This means the vaccinated are just as infectious as the unvaccinated.
• In Gibraltar, which has a 99% COVID jab compliance rate, COVID cases have risen by 2,500% since June 1, 2021.23
While those who benefit from keeping the pandemic going would like you to cower in fear at the thought of the Delta variant, there’s really no evidence that it’s any worse than the original. It’s more transmissible, yes, but far less dangerous, as its primary symptoms are that of a regular cold.
According to Harvard and Stanford professors, the actual number of Americans dying from or with COVID-19 are actually at an all-time low, so alarmism is uncalled for.24
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I sure hope it was not a mistake to get the shot. I had the virus and had antibodies still last month when I gave blood. Vaccine better not make that not as useful.
Does it matter which vaccine for this analysis? I got JJ.
I don't see much info about JJ and Astra, except for the blood-clotting problems. Almost everything I'm seeing is for Pfizer and Moderna, which are by far the most widely used in America. If I see something, I will post it for you.
There are indications that the 'spike protein producing' vaccines may make you more susceptible to future variants than getting no vaccine at all. Why that happens is a little complicated. If I find that article again, I will try to post here. Generally, viruses become less harmful over time. Most mutations are 'code-writing errors' during replication, which decrease the virus' ability to survive and replicate. The net effect is a virus tends to become less debilitating over time.
Despite what you're reading/hearing, the Delta variant is MUCH less deadly than earlier variants. Totally predictable. Natural selection has helped it reproduce more successfully.
For you, personally, you can't undo what's done, obviously. I know you've considered your options carefully, 'earning' you the 'right' to accept whatever comes next with equanimity.
Nevertheless, this again points out the INSANITY of mandatory vaccines for Covid.
That’s a great explanation and makes sense. I have been fascinated that no one talks about how much less dangerous this variant is. Not saying it’s nothing. It is. But you’ve described how we will see mutations go. Spread more, harm less.
Not really worried. Can’t do a thing about it. I chose to get it and based on current numbers I don’t regret it. If there is some risk going forward I’ll take it. But I’m glad it’s JJ.
Not really worried. Can’t do a thing about it. I chose to get it and based on current numbers I don’t regret it. If there is some risk going forward I’ll take it. But I’m glad it’s JJ.
He's quoting an internist who regularly appears on Fox News as the source of that information as is well known for providing vaccine misinformation. There is no credible evidence that the vaccine makes you more susceptible to Delta versus natural immunity. In fact, the new study released on 8/6 from the CDC found that vaccine provided much more protection than natural immunity. "The study of hundreds of Kentucky residents with previous infections through June 2021 found that those who were unvaccinated had 2.34 times the odds of reinfection compared with those who were fully vaccinated. The findings suggest that among people who have had COVID-19 previously, getting fully vaccinated provides additional protection against reinfection."
McCullough misstates information and then completely ignores the extremely lower chance of serious illness or disease. A lot of epidemiologists are also doubting Israel's report. They also relied upon non-regular methodology and the results are outliers compared to other studies, which all support the use of vaccines. Israel has also said that upon further review vaccines were lowering the risk of serious illness by Delta by 96%.
A small group of non-specialist doctors are making the rounds on cable news stating information that is contrary to the belief of the vast majority of specialists. Those internists are then being cited supporting the notion that someone should not get the vaccine.
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Is there anything showing those with delta as vaxxed, not vaxxed but had it, or not vaxxed and hadn’t had it? I’d love to see those numbers and honestly I’m surprised that it’s not reported regularly. It seems a very relevant fact. For example if the 96% number you cite of unvaxxed is made up of 90% or more of folks who never had it, it’s a different story than if it’s 50/50 or so.
EVERY SINGLE HOSPITAL in Jacksonville reported THIS WEEK that 96-98% of their COVID admits in the ICU are not vaccinated.
Do we need Doc talking heads on any network telling us anything? No. We have numbers. Hard numbers. My son works for the UF Health system and he confirms those numbers. He's not on any network pitching a political stance.
Moreover, their numbers align with nationwide numbers.
About 200,000 cases of breakthrough infections are reported to the CDC, but that number is very low because most of us who had a Delta breakthrough are asymptomatic and thus not tested. Natural immunity is suspect with this variant.
Now, there is no disputing that such a low reported number represents an extremely low percentage of the 162 million vaccinated Americans - .01%. But the fact is that no one can predict in advance that they'll just get the sniffles or they'll be very sick and need a ventilator. The very elderly are more heavily represented, but this variant is catching more young simply because they thought their age was a shield. We now know that's not necessarily a fact.
Get the shot!
Do we need Doc talking heads on any network telling us anything? No. We have numbers. Hard numbers. My son works for the UF Health system and he confirms those numbers. He's not on any network pitching a political stance.
Moreover, their numbers align with nationwide numbers.
About 200,000 cases of breakthrough infections are reported to the CDC, but that number is very low because most of us who had a Delta breakthrough are asymptomatic and thus not tested. Natural immunity is suspect with this variant.
Now, there is no disputing that such a low reported number represents an extremely low percentage of the 162 million vaccinated Americans - .01%. But the fact is that no one can predict in advance that they'll just get the sniffles or they'll be very sick and need a ventilator. The very elderly are more heavily represented, but this variant is catching more young simply because they thought their age was a shield. We now know that's not necessarily a fact.
Get the shot!
Mutations can cause any trait of the virus to change for better or for worse. It's always going to be the mutations that cause the virus to be stronger - more contagious, able to escape immunities, deadlier, etc. - that continue to replicate.
I was in Hawaii not too long ago and the mask wearing was not consistent by almost anyone. Of course that was before Delta took over so can't speak to now.
Wait. Please explain... Aren't mutations almost always less deadly than the original? Less lethal? Maybe spreading easier yes. If this is wrong, can you please give some examples? (I am not pushing your buttons, trying to learn).
No. Mutations can be anything. The mutations that cause the virus to survive and grow are those that let it spread easier and keep the person alive long enough to let it reproduce and then spread further. If it kills someone in a day it will die out.
here's a decent article that explains the nuts and bolts of RNA virus mutation and why coronavirus's are a bit different.
How Viruses Mutate and Create New Variants
As coronavirus variants circulate worldwide, a Tufts researcher explains the mechanisms of how viruses change and why
now.tufts.edu
No, as mentioned, mutations can cause variants to take many forms, including the ability for it to become more or less virulent. Mutations that are beneficial to the longevity of a variant typically become more prevalent. Its a matter of natural selection. But variants can strike a balance that increases mortality and still transmits readily in a number of ways through antigenic drift or antigenic shift.
This is an informative paper. Specifically, you may be interested in the "Theories of virulence evolution" section.
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i wish i could access your link but schlebs like me are not worthy!
the antigenic shift is what gave us COVID in the first place. the merging of essentially an animal virus with a human virus.
my own warped theory on this is the one remaining SARS infected person left in the world was a beastiality pervert and had some batsex. it is unwarranted but it does help me sleep at night.
Whoops! haha I was on my Pfizer laptop and didn't realize it was behind a wall. Believe me, I'm as outraged as the next guy that academia is locked up behind pay walls and all of the profit falls into the pockets of a few private companies who simply act as gate keepers to the information. It ain't right.i wish i could access your link but schlebs like me are not worthy!
the antigenic shift is what gave us COVID in the first place. the merging of essentially an animal virus with a human virus.
my own warped theory on this is the one remaining SARS infected person left in the world was a beastiality pervert and had some batsex. it is unwarranted but it does help me sleep at night.
I'll post the portion that I referred to above:
Theories of virulence evolution
Evolutionary biologists have had a long fascination with virulence32,33,34,35,36,37. Because there is a very large literature base on this subject, we necessarily provide only a brief overview here. A straightforward interpretation of virulence evolution is that natural selection will optimize the level of virulence that maximizes pathogen fitness, expressed as the basic reproductive number (R0)1, although in reality fitness is shaped by a complex set of host–pathogen interactions38,39. Current evolutionary theory tells us that when a virus jumps to a new species, its initial virulence can vary from asymptomatic to highly pathogenic, and precisely where it lies on this virulence spectrum is difficult to predict. However, it is possible that the direction of virulence evolution can be anticipated, at least in part, if the key relationship between virulence and transmissibility, and hence fitness, is understood. Importantly, there is also evidence from insect viruses that host phylogeny is able to predict some aspects of virulence evolution following species jumps, with related host species tending to have similar levels of virulence25.A commonly stated idea is that there is often an evolutionary trade-off between virulence and transmissibility because intra-host virus replication is necessary to facilitate inter-host transmission but may also lead to disease, and it is impossible for natural selection to optimize all traits simultaneously. In the case of MYXV, this trade-off is thought to lead to ‘intermediate’ virulence grades being selectively advantageous: higher virulence may mean that the rabbit host dies before inter-host transmission, whereas lower virulence is selected against because it does not increase virus transmission rates. A similar trade-off model has been proposed to explain the evolution of HIV virulence40. However, many doubts have been raised about the general applicability of the trade-off model35,41,42,43, virus fitness will be affected by traits other than virulence and transmissibility39,41,44, contrary results have been observed in experimental studies45 and relatively little is known about evolutionary trade-offs in nature. For example, in the case of the second virus released as a biocontrol against European rabbits in Australia — rabbit haemorrhagic disease virus (RHDV) — there is evidence that virulence has increased through time, probably because virus transmission often occurs through blow flies that feed on animal carcasses, making host death selectively favourable46. Similarly, experimental studies of plant RNA viruses have shown that high virulence does not necessarily impede host adaptation47 and, in the case of malaria, higher virulence was shown to provide the Plasmodium parasites with a competitive advantage within hosts48.
Other factors in addition to evolutionary trade-offs can shape the level of virulence in an emerging virus. For example, ‘short-sighted’ virulence evolution within a single host may be detrimental for inter-host transmission49, and newly emerged ‘spillover’ infections that have experienced only a limited number of transmission events are likely to have virulence levels that have not yet been optimized for transmissibility by natural selection50. Accordingly, for spillover infections, ongoing transmission may be largely at the mercy of random drift effects, including the severe population bottlenecks that routinely accompany such events51. Finally, it is possible that virulence may sometimes simply be a coincidental by-product of selection for another trait or selection for transmission in another species.
Theory therefore tells us that natural selection can increase or decrease pathogen virulence, depending on the particular combination between host, virus and environment1,32,33,37,41,52,53. Although providing a useful framework, theory can provide only useful generalities because the relevant factors vary substantially and need to be assessed on a case-by-case basis. Virulence evolution could, however, be better understood if its genomic basis were known.
Good article. And still, viruses generally get weaker, not stronger, over time. Covid is an example of this happening.
Sadly, the WHO and the CDC are often "sources of vaccine misinformation." Do more research on McCullough if you really think he is "just an internist" (he's actually a cardiologist, not "just an internist") and if you think he's a source of "misinformation." Today, all "unapproved information is called "misinformation" and blocked, censored, and de-platformed by the promoters of "approved information," which may or may not be "actual science" the way most of us understand that phrase.
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McCullough does NOT "completely ignore" any reduction of "serious illness or disease." McCullough mostly focuses on the obscene, immoral, unethical refusal of the medical establishment to provide TREATMENTS for Covid patients prior to them being hospitalized, and sometimes not even then, when it is often too late for successful treatment. This is a world-wide scandal. These treatments are known, in use, and safe.
You are correct that McCullough is "being cited supporting the notion that SOMEONE should not get the vaccine." He does specifically say people should weigh the likely risks and rewards of various Covid vaccines against the likely risks and rewards of getting and/or spreading Covid. Until recently, we called that "actual science" or "evidence-based science." He is a million miles away from being an "anti-vaxxer."
If, in fact, the CDC reports says what you claim above, that "vaccine immunity" is superior to "naturally acquired immunity," and will last longer than "naturally acquired immunity, (which you didn't specifically say)" then the CDC is guilty of spreading misinformation or deliberately misleading information. For example, as I have noted elsewhere in this thread, if you are judged "infected" due to a false-positive PCR test, you obviously will not have naturally acquired immunity." If the CDC did not discriminated between confirmed Covid cases and Covid positive tests, the research is not useful.
Everyone will learn very shortly the Covid vaccines are not nearly as effective as we hoped, have a far shorter useful duration than promised, are grossly inferior to naturally acquired immunity, and have far greater side effects (affecting many more people) than we have been told. I would love to be wrong. In fact, I pray every day that I am wrong.
I won't be able to post anymore in this thread, due to time constraints. McCullough is a great source of information, as is Dr. Robert Malone, an early contributor to the invention of mRNA vaccines, and the DarkHorse Podcasts on YouTube. Please don't get all your information from "approved sources" - for anything.
I wish you all the best.
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Generally that may be the case. Unfortunately, that is not always the case. I've been hearing rumblings about the lambda variant recently which is more prevalent in South America. Limited data but it suggests that it may be more virulent.
the UK variants of concern paper is updated pretty regularly. last updated on 8/6/21. lambda is still classified as a variant of interest in their study. alpha, beta, delta and gamma are the VOC's.
lambda is the low hanging fruit on their tree but geographically we are much closer to it. that said delta originated in India so i'm not sure how much of an impact limiter geography is to the spread?
