How does that 420 ppm compare to the total atmosphere? I read somewhere its about .04% of the total. If it was 300 ppm in 1950 (which I assume is the earliest actual reading) then its gained 120 ppm in the last 73 years. A lot when compared to 300 but very small when viewed as a whole. Maybe a scientist can weigh in for us lay people.We absolutely and factually know that climate change is happening now and it's caused by humans.
John Kerry's one private jet is having a minimal impact on it. Same with Trump's jet.
Evidence - NASA Science
Takeaways The rate of change since the mid-20th century is unprecedented over millennia. Earth’s climate has changed throughout history. Just in the last 800,000 years, there have been eight cycles of ice ages and warmer periods, with the end of the last ice age about 11,700 years ago marking...www.google.com
A sensible discussion on climate change/global warming
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Getting back on track watch the video and disagree if you wish with PHD Curry,
The "Relax" video is shorter and well done with a neutral interviewer.
Give clear reasons for disagreement. Low resolution thinking remarks are unnecessary. Disagree without being disagreeable(confrontational)
The "Relax" video is shorter and well done with a neutral interviewer.
Give clear reasons for disagreement. Low resolution thinking remarks are unnecessary. Disagree without being disagreeable(confrontational)
I don't agree or disagree with the whole idea of climate change or global warming. My question is how do we know its an actual shift based on limited data? How do we know its man made? Could this all be a pattern or cycle if we had all the data?
I agree with the first part of the video in that it is a political discussion. I don't think it should be but that's where we are these days. My opinion on this is kind of like my opinion on religion, I don't know if its all true but I don't know its not either so I wont press my luck.
It seems possible/likely that this isn’t an either/or issue but rather both/and. It’s clear that the earth is ever evolving, it’s a far different place now than it was during the ice ages or when dinosaurs roamed the planet. And that has nothing to do with humans. That being said it’s hard for me to believe that all of the things humans do, cut down rainforests, cause species to go extinct, pump waste into waterways, pump gases into the atmosphere, etc, don’t have some consequences for the planet. It’s a relatively delicate ecosystem and when so much of it has been altered in one way or another by humans it strains credibility to think there wouldn’t be resulting changes to the planet. How do you quantify how much of this is due to humans vs the natural changing of the earth is way above my pay grade and I wonder how even someone who studies this for a living could accurately answer that.
Seems pretty sensible..
What a novel idea.. two things can maybe be true at the same time?
Too often in todays world, it’s black or white. Yes or no. No questions asked..
When I’m reality, there’s nuance to things. It’s not always as cut and dry as people want to make it look
Those D!@m humans need to eliminate them. EEK! Not me though.
Wonder how much grant money was generated? Guess it is a better theory than the island tipping one. lol
I worked in the private sector for 35 years. Our job was always to make a product. Removing skepticism is code for lying. No one EVER paid me enough to lie. The reason for that is shockingly simple. If you’re attempting making a product, any bull$&#@ in basic research is eventually exposed and you’ve wasted a lot of time and money.
Things like climate science and even epidemiology are ongoing. It’s really tough to predict final results when nothing is ever final😎
Like COVID (just bear with me😎), the question is this: Can we afford to assume the best case scenario, do nothing, and be wrong? Was it wise (without 20/20 hindsight) to assume that masks do not work? After all, I don’t think anybody ever died from wearing a mask. Sometimes caution really is the best path forward.
No, wearing a mask didn't kill anyone but to say there were no negative effects is likely wrong as well. On the other hand its hard to say if masks stopped anyone from dying or getting sick. They could have but its hard to say without a situation where masks were universal and equally effective.
With the global warming thing I agree its probably best to plan for were all going to drown or burn in a fire in 5 years and hope its not that bad. Less carbon emissions and pollution in general is a good thing along with renewable energy and others.
Like the guy that got fired from Ocean Gate for wanting the hull to be certified by a outside company. Basically they wanted him to "lie" and say it was good. Eventually the truth came out. Unfortunately at the expense of 5 people including the one that fired him.
OceanGate Employee Warned Of Major Safety Issues With Titan Sub In 2018—And Was Soon Fired
In 2018, David Lochridge found that the submersible had been severely undertested and its porthole was only certified to withstand a fraction of the pressure it would experience on a Titanic dive.
www.forbes.com
More climate change fun. Here's an article from Fox so its more like satire but still funny.
www.foxnews.com
Ilhan Omar roasted for saying Earth broke heat record last set in 117,977 BC: 'Making sh-- up'
Twitter users roasted Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., after she claimed in a tweet Monday that Earth broke a heat record last set about 120,000 years ago.
Caught Covid from N 95 mask wearers. Another problem with renewables is bad weather events which the alarmists claim is due to climate change/global warming!
No win situation for that "alleged" narrative with its dire predictions.
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How did you know it was from a mask wearer? I would think its hard to figure where it came from. This includes those that say they caught it from a non jabbed person.
My point is people who wore masks likely caught it from others with masks and those without, the same as ones that didn't wear a mask. Same as the jabbed, they likely were infected by those with and without the jab. This was going to run its course either way IMO.
As far as the weather events its easy to point to a bad hurricane or heatwave and say its caused by human induced climate change but how do they know? What are they comparing it to? I'm not saying it cant be but its really speculation outside of the last 150 or so years.
More climate change fun. Here's an article from Fox so its more like satire but still funny.
Ilhan Omar roasted for saying Earth broke heat record last set in 117,977 BC: 'Making sh-- up'
Twitter users roasted Rep. Ilhan Omar, D-Minn., after she claimed in a tweet Monday that Earth broke a heat record last set about 120,000 years ago.
Hottest day in 120,000 years. Holy moly, that’s hot! Maybe we do have a climate emergency on our hands 😂
I love the tweet, I just checked with my friend who is 120,000 years old and can confirm!
I’ve always been curious about what she was hiding under her head covering but now we know…nuthin’
Well... the VP just said we need to reduce population to help the environment. I don't know if this was another one of her many gaffes or if she said the quiet part out loud.
“When we invest in clean energy and electric vehicles and reduce population, more of our children can breath clean air and drink clean water.”
GO NOLES!!!
“When we invest in clean energy and electric vehicles and reduce population, more of our children can breath clean air and drink clean water.”
MSN
www.msn.com
GO NOLES!!!
I was homebound never left my home hired a pair of house cleaners wearing N95's.
Full blown case of Covid 19 2 days later. my proof. This occurred before the vaccine was available.
Great example. So, we know that masks were part of the mitigation efforts of which student's test scores dropped dramatically, millions of people were put financially at risk, many refused to go to the hospital and were late to cancer diagnosis, murders spiked, mental health devolved, etc. So yes some people died because of the fear that wearing masks engendered. What part did masks play in all that? A epidemiologist might try to figure it out, but his results would be tentative at best and we will never know exactly what part masks played in all this. Complex systems are tough to get exact answers, just like global warning, as a complex system, is tough to get exacting answers.
In-N-Out Burger bans employees in 5 states from wearing masks.
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/in-n-out-burger-employees-barred-from-wearing-masks/
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/in-n-out-burger-employees-barred-from-wearing-masks/
I wear masks all the time so I can remain anonymous in public and don't have to stop and chat awkwardly with my 5th grade teacher or neighbor while I'm at the grocery store.
This is a tough one. On one hand you can look back at the numerous gaffes and word salads and say its par for the course. On the other hand you could say maybe she did say the quiet part out loud. We just had a virus of conspicuous origins kill almost 7 million people (according to reported figures which people that think this was planned don't believe BTW) many of which had preexisting conditions or were up in years. I can see where many in the tin foil hat club would jump on board and say "see there's proof the dems are trying to kill us". But judging by the quality of the administrations speech writing ad speaking abilities it could be easily called a flub. There's always a third side to everything.
So your saying mitigation efforts were not effective. I said all along that there was no way to stop the spread, all we could do is hope to slow it down or wait until whoever designed it stopped it (if that's what you believe).
Just saw one this morning, alone, in the car, mask on.I wear masks all the time so I can remain anonymous in public and don't have to stop and chat awkwardly with my 5th grade teacher or neighbor while I'm at the grocery store.
Love seeing bike riders or joggers wearing them while alone doing aerobic exercise. My favorite thing for protection is a 30" wide x 30" tall piece of plexi glass at a check out counter. It's impenetrable for any airborne virus.
GO NOLES!!!
Or the one where we had to wear a mask as we were walking to our booth at a restaurant.. but not while we were sitting down… thankfully the virus took it easy on those eating..
I see that, too.
Here in D.C. we have poor air quality due to the Canadian forest fires so some meteorologists recommend wearing masks outside.
Yep Masks don't stop it. Vaccine doesn't stop you from catching it. Undecided on whether taking the vaccine is a good choice at this time. Long term effects unknown.
Yes.
An N95 Mask Is Your Best Outdoor Defense Against Wildfire Smoke
As states in the eastern U.S. get blanketed by wildfire smoke, health officials recommend masking up.
Can you still smell the smoke when you have it on?Yes.
An N95 Mask Is Your Best Outdoor Defense Against Wildfire Smoke
As states in the eastern U.S. get blanketed by wildfire smoke, health officials recommend masking up.time.com
I can't really smell the smoke ever. My eyes just sting (I wear contacts).
I try to stay indoors as much as possible when the air quality is poor.
I think it is a bit of a false equivalence to compare test scores and financial well being to death. It’s difficult to be sure, but businesses and financials can be rebuilt and kids will continue to be educated. Did people refuse to go to hospitals because they scared of mitigation efforts or because some of those places were treating COVID patients in the hallways? Maybe that’s the cost of not mitigating. There are/were other ways to deal with all those problems you mentioned and still mitigate.
“I don’t want wear a mask because it messes with my mental health”. Seriously, buttercup?😒
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