Dukes of Hazzard Dropped by TV Land
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Actually the racist groups absolutely waved and presented the American flag. Also there are those of us that try to fight against the damage done to the CBF. People like you just try to discount and silence us.
That's the beauty of the freedom this country offers me, tommy. I don't have to provide "facts" to support my opinion or my belief. I simply must respect the fact you're entitled to yours as I am to mine.
If the CBF doesn't offend me, I'm allowed to navigate through episodes of the Dukes of Hazard freely. However, if I'm offended I have equal freedom to not watch. No one should be forced to watch or not watch, i.e., don't remove my choice (aka: freedom).
Again, your argument only has bearing on government establishments and your "facts" support that agenda and I'm in full support.
As for the Duke Boys, I'm not going to be bullied into how to feel about something and I respect everyone's right to not purchase Hazard Country merchandise or never watch the show (heck, it's a pretty cheesy show in its own right).
Are you against the porn industry with equal vigor? It does more damage to society than the Dukes ever will. Just watch "Hot Girls Wanted" on Netflix.
I did a poor job of making my point. Yes racist groups burned crosses and waved the American flag but those symbols were not hijacked during the Civil Rights movement as some anti equality movement. Also, over the decades and decades and decades of the misuse of those symbols, there's been a strong and active change in its perception. You can't deny that all the hate groups during the Civil Rights movement in the south would often times fly the CBF next to racist signs (I provided several pictures in another thread).
People like me huh, have I complained about your garnet and gold CBF on this site? Have I tried to get you to remove it? Such a sad victim mentality. When people who support the CBF start getting murdered, hung, burned alive b/c they have the CBF on for the next several decades, then you can be a woes is me victim.
Most Germans didn't fight Ww2 because they hated Jews. Most were good people just the caught up in a war. Nazi flags are still inappropriate outside a museum and would look really odd on top of a car as a symbol of "German pride".
In order to make an apples to apples comparison I'll wait until Morgan Freeman lynches people for their skin color
Understand your point. Has (or does) anything relating to the Dukes of Hazard or the General Lee ever offended you (outside of it being generally bad television) or influenced you to be a racist?
Also, should crosses be banned as they were used as a racist tool and burned in the front lawn of people's homes.
Let me make sure I understand you. You are saying we should give more weight to the opinion of people who participate in heinous criminal acts? Is that correct?
I wish folks could realize it's about the person and their intent NOT the object.
Person A. Wears a rebel flag t-shirt and exclaims Southern Pride.
Person B. Wears a rebel flag t-shirt and exclaims racial slurs decrying white superiority.
Media views the shirt as evil and the source of the atrocity. All while Person A suffers for the ignorant actions of Person B and the public's sweeping, knee-jerk reaction that assumes all things mean the same to all people. Quit focusing on the "thing" and focus on the "who."
Personally, I have no dog in this fight as I own nothing (outside of a diecast car) with a CBF on it, but I recognize individual freedom of expression. Hell, I'm morally against same-sex marriage, but I damn sure voted FOR it as I'm 100% in support of equality within our legal system. Who am I to say who a person can marry, how a person interprets the meaning of an object, etc.?
Person A. Wears a rebel flag t-shirt and exclaims Southern Pride.
Person B. Wears a rebel flag t-shirt and exclaims racial slurs decrying white superiority.
Media views the shirt as evil and the source of the atrocity. All while Person A suffers for the ignorant actions of Person B and the public's sweeping, knee-jerk reaction that assumes all things mean the same to all people. Quit focusing on the "thing" and focus on the "who."
Personally, I have no dog in this fight as I own nothing (outside of a diecast car) with a CBF on it, but I recognize individual freedom of expression. Hell, I'm morally against same-sex marriage, but I damn sure voted FOR it as I'm 100% in support of equality within our legal system. Who am I to say who a person can marry, how a person interprets the meaning of an object, etc.?
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Gay marriage issue was various state and local governments illegally preventing consenting adults from marrying each other. This thread was started because a TV channel, a private entity, took a show off the air, which was within their rights. I guess you equating the two doesn't make sense to me.
What he doesn't seem to understand is the reason Black History Month was created was due to the fact many schools were not and refused to teach aspects of history that included black culture and history. It was not being incorporated into the curriculum at all.
Sure one day the need for BHM will go away (I doubt it, too much political posturing to be made) but there was a need for it when it was started.
Ask yourself a simple question, would it be OK if the dukes had a swastika on the top of their car, assuming they were German? Even if the show was good clean fun?
I guess it depends...has there every been a point in American History where that flag represented anything positive or was used in a positive manner, i.e. German Pride?
Again, has (or does) anything related to the Dukes of Hazard TV show offend you?
If I see a guy walking down the street wearing a swatstika shirt I just shake my head and move on.
A. I don't call my congressman or media outlet and demand that shirt be banned. I would assume preventing him from wearing the shirt wouldn't change his beliefs. In fact, banning the shirt will actually contribute to hiding his beliefs. At least with that ugly shirt, I can spot him in a crowd.
B. If he (the person not the shirt) starting acting out his beliefs (attacking another person), I would intervien.
Just like there was once a need for affirmative action.
When will the day come when were are truly color blind? Everyone demands equal treatment, but then wants to be segregated at the same time. Take my company for example, we are filled with ERGs (Employee Resource Groups). What are they, you ask?
APCA — The Asian Pacific Islanders for Professional and Community Advancement
AT&T Veterans
Community NETwork — The African-American Telecommunications Professionals of AT&T
FACES — The Filipino American Communications Employees of AT&T
HACEMOS — The Hispanic/Latino Employee Association of AT&T
ICAE — The Inter-Tribal Council of AT&T Employees
IDEAL — Individuals with Disabilities Enabling Advocacy Link
LEAGUE at AT&T — The Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender (LGBT) and Allies Organization of AT&T
OASIS — The Organization of Asian Indians at AT&T
oxyGEN — Young Professionals of AT&T
Women of AT&T
I'm a 40-year old white male. Where's my resource group? Am I a racist for feeling left out?
I guess it depends...has there every been a point in American History where that flag represented anything positive or was used in a positive manner, i.e. German Pride?
Again, has (or does) anything related to the Dukes of Hazard TV show offend you?
If I see a guy walking down the street wearing a swatstika shirt I just shake my head and move on.
A. I don't call my congressman or media outlet and demand that shirt be banned. I would assume preventing him from wearing the shirt wouldn't change his beliefs. In fact, banning the shirt will actually contribute to hiding his beliefs. At least with that ugly shirt, I can spot him in a crowd.
B. If he (the person not the shirt) starting acting out his beliefs (attacking another person), I would intervien.
I'm sure you can find lots of fringe people who would claim that the nazi flag just means German pride to them. Doesn't mean it should fly in public anywhere.
If I see a guy walking down the street with a Confederate flag I do the same, so? No one has passed a law that you can't look like an idiot. You are still free to fly you flag at home or on your pickup, just fewer businesses want to sell them now.
The Dukes didn't offend me as a kid. But then, neither did the clearly racist loony tunes episodes , and I'm glad they don't show those anymore.
I think the whole Caitlyn Jenner thing was horribly racial. I mean, by not converting to African American, she was expressing her hatred for that race. And then they interviewed her and plastered her all over the place. Really offensive to me.
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Here's my issue, Belem:
I'm against racism. I'm also against being a media puppet.
Media, "The Confederate Flag is the source of all this racism in America. You should be offended and outraged!!! In fact, you should join us in curing racism by removing its source from our country." [sarcasm used to illustrate the point]
The masses, "What? The Confederate Flag is the source? I didn't realize this before, but NOW that I do, I'm offended and outraged! How can I support this noble effort? Hhhmmm [ding ding] I will find every Confederate Flag and offer it up for public sacrifice." [sarcasm used to illustrate the point]
So, while this big waste of time is going on, the problem of racism isn't being addressed and the country is sidetracked by bickering about a flag and a damn TV show (myself included).
That is what I have an issue with.
I'm against racism. I'm also against being a media puppet.
Media, "The Confederate Flag is the source of all this racism in America. You should be offended and outraged!!! In fact, you should join us in curing racism by removing its source from our country." [sarcasm used to illustrate the point]
The masses, "What? The Confederate Flag is the source? I didn't realize this before, but NOW that I do, I'm offended and outraged! How can I support this noble effort? Hhhmmm [ding ding] I will find every Confederate Flag and offer it up for public sacrifice." [sarcasm used to illustrate the point]
So, while this big waste of time is going on, the problem of racism isn't being addressed and the country is sidetracked by bickering about a flag and a damn TV show (myself included).
That is what I have an issue with.
What was the racist loony tunes stuff?........I might recall it if you help jog my memory
Don't know that it was as much racism as it was stereo typing and it was more prevelant in Tom and Jerry than in the Looney Toons.
Looney Toons:
Tom and Jerry:
Start one. Aren't you retired military (congrats)?
The need for the Civil Rights Movement due to racial inequality is still fairly fresh, there are people (like my dad) who lived through segregation and had family members or friends beaten for no other reason then being black or who had to use different entrances in the rear or who couldn't enter certain establishments. They're still alive, they still remember and the people on the other side of the spectrum who were pro segregation and that participated in active marches opposing desegregation of schools are still around too. So who knows how long it will be when we're truly color blind.
There's plenty of people in this world that grew up like JMGNole with a racist father but he himself turned into a really good person. I knew a guy who proudly flew the stars and bars (had one in his apartment and another that was the headliner for his pick up truck), wore sh!t kickers, cowboy hats and giant belt buckles and he told racist cruel not racist funny jokes and told me to my face he would never share a drink with me b/c I was black (he was a pseudo roommate of mine). As we talked more and more and got to know each other more and more I learned that his parents were a bunch of regular Cleavers and his sister didn't carry a racist bone in her body. He told me he adopted this persona b/c that's what the kids around him at his school did, flew the stars and bars, told racist jokes and looked down on "gays, n-wrods and Mexicans". So I asked him if he truly knew any black people and he said "nope, don't care to" and I challenged him to get to know me. We hung out, talked about the south and southern heritage, the stars and bars and I told him what it was like for me growing up in California and Seattle. He had me help him install a new headliner for his truck but he kept his stars and bars up in his apartment but senior year it later came down. We became such good friends that he was my best man in my small wedding. We would go fishing together a few days a week for the next few years and I still consider him a great friend. He essentially told me he flew the stars and bars under the guise of history (degree in history and political sciences and was very knowledgeable) but it was more of the I'm a rebel you can't tell me what to do and he said he got caught up in the peer pressure of those that truly were racist (but most likely ignorant b/c they were incapable of forming their own opinions). Now that isn't everyone but it's something I lived from both sides of this discussion.
Then there's those that grew up w/ racist father that turn out like the Charleston shooter and murder 9 people b/c of the color of their skin and see them as subhuman.
Well at least they bothered to include us
I can laugh about it from a modern perspective. The point is we don't do it now. I'm ok with private showings of the flag but happy to see it coming off of state buildings.
I don't buy the media nonsense. The media follows, they don't lead. People were incensed when the confederate flag wasn't lowered to half staff - that's what restarted the flag controversy.
As for loony tunes, a simple Google search will show you a ton of old episodes that don't air anymore due to racist stereotyping. Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc.
As for loony tunes, a simple Google search will show you a ton of old episodes that don't air anymore due to racist stereotyping. Blacks, Asians, Hispanics, etc.
Oh, you live in Texas and are Christian....I think you are pretty well protected.
So you don't think removing the CBF from all government buildings (or directly on the building property) is a step in the right direction? It's just some knee jerk reaction, this has literally been an ongoing battle since it went up in 1961 as an anti Civil Rights movement. Plenty of people protested its existence then, into the 70, 80s and 90s. It gets brought up a lot. I don't see this as knee jerk, I see it as a slow burner that has traction based on a horrific incident.
Bull$hit!!!!!!!!!!!
Just to bring this up to date, Thomas is now saying the flag should come down off of state buildings:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/poste...ian-heres-why-i-support-the-confederate-flag/
"........my perspective has changed. In her speech this week calling for state legislators to remove the flag from the statehouse grounds, Gov. Nikki Haley spoke of unity. She equally acknowledged the pain and the pride that the flag holds for South Carolinians. She noted how debate over the flag was hurting the state’s soul. “We are not going to allow this symbol to divide us any longer,” she said. “The fact that it causes pain to so many is enough to move it from the capitol grounds.”
I love the Confederate flag, but I love South Carolina and its citizens more. While the flag’s existence on the statehouse grounds never offended me — and it still does not today — I can’t ignore the deep pain that it causes for many people in my state. I can’t ignore that many can’t love South Carolina as I do until the flag is removed. Continuing to let it fly at our capitol could incite the kind of protests and violence that have erupted in other states that ignore the pain of some of its citizens.
Taking down the Confederate flag does not mean supporters of the flag have lost. It’s a message that we refuse to allow the people who use the flag as a symbol of hate to divide us. "
Yes and void of my veteran's status I would be excluded from the current ERGs. How do you honestly think the preseption would be for starting up a Caucasion-American ERG? LOL Oh, and thank you.
You don't have to convince me racism is still a problem in our country. My dad was racist (often times not even realizing it) as is my wife's parents. Things came to a head when my SIL started dating a black man. He wasn't welcome in their home. I had to tell them if he wasn't welcome, then they weren't welcome in mine. It made for some pretty rough in-law times, BUT they are finally coming around and seeing the impact their parent's generation has had on them and are working on change. ...even witnessed my FIL by the man dinner one night.
Again, my issue is that racism has been a problem in this country for a long time...so why all the sudden is my FB and TV being blown up with this outrage over the CBF and with the Dukes of Hazard thrown in the mix for good measure? Where were these people last month? Out doing what sheep do? They are no more offended by that flag today then they were last month, so I call BS!!
Furthermore, taking the Dukes off the air won't fix a dadgum thing! What you described above is the most logical, heart-felt post I've seen in this thread. Get to know ME! In the 8th grade I was forced to move schools (to a a new town). I was ignored, pushed around and cursed at my first few days of school until a kid on a skate board with a kid-n-play, hightop hairdo picked up the books someone knocked out of my hands, handed them to me and asked where I was from. He took me under his wing, showed me the ropes and we've been friends ever since, some 25+ years later. That kid's name is Mike, he's black and he's one of my closest friends. Oddly, enough we used to watch reruns of the Dukes and laugh our butts off...I digress, though.
I hope you (and others) understand I'm not supporting the rebel flag. I'm against stupid, knee-jerk reactions that have nothing to do with the real situation. Taking the Dukes of Hazard off the air is an insult to the racism plight (IMO).
Sheriff Little of Chickasaw County was one of the black characters on Dukes of Hazzard. Appeared in something like 10 episodes.
I think everyone in this thread is in agreement the flag should come down from state buildings (unless I missed someone to the contrary).
Kiting may be the only one. Although I don't know that he or she said one way or the other. Nor do I think TV Land should be fined or it shouldn't be illegal for them as a company choose to stop showing Dukes of Hazard or retailers from selling the confederate flag. Merely think it was an over reaction by TV Land to stop showing the Dukes of Hazard.
Didn't we have a couple members in a previous thread who thought it should stay up? I actually thought Kitinghigh wanted it to stay up (?)
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