FSU's Proposed Changes for Greek System
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Harvard issued an "edict" last year banning all single gender organizations on their campus.
Its not going well thus far with NPC groups. All sorts of legal issues to be settled here.
Its not going well thus far with NPC groups. All sorts of legal issues to be settled here.
I'm not certain which is more amusing - that some people still believe that thread about the photos was real all these years later (you can ask UCLA, he was part of the gag) or that you're complaining about frat boys facing limitations on where they can get fall down drunk in a voluntary club- when your days of being in that club have long past.
There are lots of groups at FSU that have restrictions due to membership. All the things you're bitching about the football team already lives with.
Apologies. My language was too strong. I've edited the original post.
I'm not sure what your point is with your gargantuan oversimplification of the issue or concern about poster's previous or current relationship with said fraternities, but I hope it doesn't keep you up at night.
Not that it should need to be pointed out but if fraternity and sorority members got free books, travel, tutors, personal trainers, dietitians, medical, gear, tuition, room, board and other perks for five years at FSU, nobody would be complaining about the universities proposed overreach, but, alas, the opposite is true.
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He keeps saying the greek community needs to wake up and buy in or else. I have no idea what the new rules are but I suspect they will be posted somewhere shortly.
Someone posted them in this thread last week. A Dr. Amy Hecht wrote the guidelines, which were so over the top as to be unenforceable - I can only presume they're for negotiation purposes only.
For example, all GLO's must agree to regular drug testing. If you're a GDI you're exempt. Yeah, that's happening.
For example, all GLO's must agree to regular drug testing. If you're a GDI you're exempt. Yeah, that's happening.
I know that mandatory membership fees from individuals, payable to the University, are proposed, but they vary and are unequal. Why?
The real winners in this will be the fraternities that secure great off campus "unofficial" houses. This push is about compliance and making sure the university is proving that they are doing something to solve the problems. It will actually just play out with the dying of on campus fraternity life and everything pushed off campus.
I suspect they are not. She's a little pink hat wearin' shrew. She has an interesting twitter account.
Surprised you follow any twitter account that isn't bikini related.
Wait, there are bikini related twitter accounts? I follow bikini clad Brook Thomas, but that's only because she lives near me, graduated from FSU, offers up great fishing tips, and also knows Johnnie Morris.
I do more googling than following.
This strikes me as politically correct mumbo jumbo. Thrasher is trying to strike a delicate balance between placating the media and the masses, while also somewhat supporting the groups that give FSU huge gifts and some semblance of a college/community environment.
I think these “reforms” miss the mark, and are somewhat unfair to the Greek community (vis-a-vis the non-Greeks). My guess is that most of them will be ignored or not enforced. But they are “there” if Thrasher needs to claw back later and show that he “took action.”
Any fraternity worth their salt will get around all of this like the Pikes got around their issues 20 or so years ago.
She was an Alpha Chi at FSU. Not sure any of these things are “her” ideas, or if she is just the flunkie who has the odious task of trotting them out. I’ll guess the latter, but I’ve not had the chance (yet) to look into her eyes and administer the crazy chick exam. It only takes a moment, and has a 99.7% accuracy rate.
This. Of course. And Thrasher full-well knows this too. This is merely for political and PR cover in the event, God forbid, there is another horrible incident.
Their issues... You mean gang raping that girl and then dumping her on another doorstep like garbage? Those issues?
man, i could have used your help while at FSU. or maybe i could administer the exam but then chose the crazy ones anyway. that's probably what happened.
Anonymous tip came from LR poster, I believe.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/...rnity-house-fraternity-chapter-pi-kappa-alpha
He doesn't like his job?
A fraternity didn't rape a girl, a couple of guys did. It was complete garbage what they tried to do to Pike for years and I think pretty clever how they got around it. Not condoning rape so save the outrage.
No, you're just condoning the DBs getting around their punishment. It was their house, their members, and they tried to stonewall the investigation. Screw all those guys. I met lots of "firemen" around the time they were off campus and they were jackasses one and all. Every intermural game with them was always one step away from a brawl.
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Based on what was initially presented in that survey, I think these rules are fair. It’s obvious there was give and take on both sides to come up with this final version.
It’s pretty clear that some of this is solely to give the university cover should any kind of incident happen at a fraternity house.
It’s pretty clear that some of this is solely to give the university cover should any kind of incident happen at a fraternity house.
Sounds like you got pushed around by the Pikes a little and never recovered. It's going to be ok.
Lol sounds like you and your buddies did some sketchy ish and you're afraid to throw stones. I'm not.
The war on Fraterno Americans continues: https://www.tennessean.com/story/ne...nnessee-colleges-and-universities/1079362001/
Honestly would not shock me. Based on some of the developments we have seen over the past few years (i.e., bathroom disputes, etc.), nothing is inconceivable.
I have a few thoughts and will note my bias that I was never greek nor had any desire to be.
I think a few of the rules go a bit too far, and agree with others that they've put those in as leverage on something they're willing to drop as part of a negotiation.
Most of the rules I don't take issue with except that they're focused only on Greek organizations. As others have said, drinking and partying goes hand in hand with almost any organization. I actually like some of the rules and think maybe they should be applied to any organization officially recognized by FSU.
In the end however, I think FSU is really only trying to do 2 things.
1. Make it appear that they're really looking out for students and being strident about this to cut down on future lawsuits or Federal DOE getting involved at some point.
2. I could see many of the organizations moving off campus and simply choosing not to be affiliated with FSU. Whether that's something the official Greek Chapters would ever condone I don't know. But I don't see partying being curtailed by these rules, simply the location where these parties take place which may be all FSU is truly interested in. If a student dies drinking, they don't want their name plastered and their liability that now falls on them for a death during an affiliated organization event. If it's just some random off campus "club" then FSU's hands are clean. The problem isn't solved, only the liability.
I think a few of the rules go a bit too far, and agree with others that they've put those in as leverage on something they're willing to drop as part of a negotiation.
Most of the rules I don't take issue with except that they're focused only on Greek organizations. As others have said, drinking and partying goes hand in hand with almost any organization. I actually like some of the rules and think maybe they should be applied to any organization officially recognized by FSU.
In the end however, I think FSU is really only trying to do 2 things.
1. Make it appear that they're really looking out for students and being strident about this to cut down on future lawsuits or Federal DOE getting involved at some point.
2. I could see many of the organizations moving off campus and simply choosing not to be affiliated with FSU. Whether that's something the official Greek Chapters would ever condone I don't know. But I don't see partying being curtailed by these rules, simply the location where these parties take place which may be all FSU is truly interested in. If a student dies drinking, they don't want their name plastered and their liability that now falls on them for a death during an affiliated organization event. If it's just some random off campus "club" then FSU's hands are clean. The problem isn't solved, only the liability.
Reading those quotes from the 88 article...makes me realize how far we’ve actually advanced as a culture in just a short amount of time. I’m sure there are still guys who would say “I hear she liked it that way. And she wasn`t holding up a flag that said, `No.`” but they wouldn’t say it publicly to a reporter they’d hide in shame until it was just their bros in a large locker room setting. And there’s no way an attorney would say “there’s too much publicity for a “typical” rape case”.
At $500 an hour, attorneys, then and now, will say just about anything. I don't think much has changed, people just feel better about speaking"truth to power." Never confuse movement with action. PKA today has a ruffy reputation, but they also drive Porsches - shoulder shrug.
If I remember the story correctly, there were three guys, two FSU guys and one Clemson guy, who did it. Two of the three were from South Florida.
If I remember the story correctly, there were three guys, two FSU guys and one Clemson guy, who did it. Two of the three were from South Florida.
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