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One of the worst soccer days that I can remember...

Lose to a relatively not-good Jamaica team in an important tournament (that we should win, especially at home) match

And have Mexico continue to have CONCACAF in their pocket by allowing the refs to help them win and move on to the finals.

Only karma would be to have Jamaica win on Sunday, but I don't see that happen. I'm very happy for Ryan "Godda" Thompson (Jamaican keeper, Univ of Tampa alum), and hope like hell he pulls the match of his life out and saves a couple (undeserved) PKs vs Mexico for the win on Sunday.

Oh, and I'd love to never see Michael Bradley or Kyle Beckerman in the midfield ever again. Just bring up the U-20s and start over.
 
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Epic embarassment for US soccer but this has been coming for a year.

Amazingly, most of concacaf is rebuilding as it should after a world cup, except Jurgen! Who brought his A team! At home!

No landon donovan is walking through that door. Hard to believe we dont have better young prospects than the likes of Beckerman, Bedoya and just about anyone else.
 
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Saw the replay this morning of the PK Mexico was awarded in stoppage time to tie the game. Ridiculous. Might have been worse than the one they were given to beat Costa Rica. The calls they have gotten in this tourney have been unbelievable.

Anyone know how it's determined where the confed cup playoff game will be played at?
 
Yeah, I suspect that the powers that be in FIFA were not very excited about a Panama v. Jamaica Final so that referee crew received some pre-game instructions.
 
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I am rooting hard for Jamaica on Sunday. No way do the Mexicans deserve to win this tournament after the gifts they have been given the last two matches.

The US could just not finish last night. It easily could have been 2-0 USA before Jamaica even sniffed a goal. That is what is so frustrating. When we quickly scored that goal to start the second half, I felt we would take it from there. Once again there were plenty of chances where they could just not get the ball into the net.
 
I'll be pulling for the Jamaicans as well.

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I catch myself saying "damn-it Bradley way too much". It could be a drinking game.

We had numerous opportunities to tie this one up but didn't make it happen. Do we pass it too much in the box? Are there no other players other than Dempsey with a striker mentality in US soccer?
 
My fear is that National Team soccer may actually get worse rather than better. The costs to keep young kids in club soccer is out of control, as my bank account is evidence. It has become a "rich kid" sport in this model and is not sustainable.
 
Jax,
No offense but soccer doesnt need to be rich kid sport. Only if a parent wants there kid to play at regional or state level competition and go to week long camps and wear new cleats every season does it get crazy costly like many other sports. And none of that is needed for 99.9% of kids to have fun or be successful players. If they're headed to Bradenton its different.

Its called the poor mans game for a reason, and why its the worlds sport.

But i do agree it will get worse for the mens national team before it gets better.
 
Jax,
Sorry rereading your post on this awful app i get what you mean. Club soccer costs have gone up a crazy amount the last decade or two and that is disappointing and not what soccer used to be.
 
kooterridesagain said:
Jax,
No offense but soccer doesnt need to be rich kid sport. Only if a parent wants there kid to play at regional or state level competition and go to week long camps and wear new cleats every season does it get crazy costly like many other sports. And none of that is needed for 99.9% of kids to have fun or be successful players. If they're headed to Bradenton its different.

Its called the poor mans game for a reason, and why its the worlds sport.

But i do agree it will get worse for the mens national team before it gets better.
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Yes, but unfortunately the way most youth clubs are set up you are either all in not. If your kid shows promise and is good now, he'll be on one of the club's top 2 or 3 competitive teams. As Jax says, that's not cheap. Registration, kits, travel fees, recommended "optional" training sessions, etc. He or she could always play on a lower team or a rec team but then you're stuck with players that are not serious (and be honest, not really all that good) and who show up to practice and games if there's nothing else going on. How much is the talented player going to improve and develop in that environment?

I doubt it's a good set up but it's gotten to be such a moneymaker doubt it will change.
 
Formerly Rockymtnole said:
Yes, but unfortunately the way most youth clubs are set up you are either all in not. If your kid shows promise and is good now, he'll be on one of the club's top 2 or 3 competitive teams. As Jax says, that's not cheap. Registration, kits, travel fees, recommended "optional" training sessions, etc. He or she could always play on a lower team or a rec team but then you're stuck with players that are not serious (and be honest, not really all that good) and who show up to practice and games if there's nothing else going on. How much is the talented player going to improve and develop in that environment?

I doubt it's a good set up but it's gotten to be such a moneymaker doubt it will change.
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You and Kooter are correct. While it does not have to be an expensive journey, nowadays it is the only way to get the exposure necessary for a child in the US to get to the next level, if that is the your kid wants. I have tried more than once to convince her to go back to golf, but she has soccer in her blood. She sees the sacrifices we make and so far she is keeping her end of the bargain with high effort and commitment on the field and in the classroom. I figure one way or another we will break even on the investment over the long term. We are lucky to be involved with an excellent club and fantastic coaching, but it is sad to see some parents have to pull their kids because of the financial commitment required. Klinsmann himself has said that we are pulling from a smaller and smaller pool of talent every year.
 
As a former high level soccer player and paid coach, I have a couple comments.

#1 Jamaica is much better than you guys are giving credit
#2 Soccer has been a rich kid sport for a long time
#3 If your kid is good, they can get into the ODP and get the exposure they need.

Admittedly, re:#3, the coaches usually come from the top clubs and they already have identified some top level players... and thus players on those clubs (and the teams they frequently play) have an advantage.
 
Gulati and Jurgen have blown up the youth system, though some of this mess started before them.

The biggest issues imho are 3 fold,

the school/club/regional fight for talent and the god awful average coaching that nscaa and usf are offering, and the parents who have written blank checks for their kids to get more in depth coaching and play on more teams though the kids usually are not going to play in college or go pro. Its inflated the cost to play. I was licensed to coach and did coach and the parents drove me away. They all gave birth to pele and would pay for them to start anywhere, and i mean anywhere.
I feel your pain Jax, im sure your doing it the right way but dealing with collatteral damage of others.
 
I stated this earlier, Jamaica was well prepared for this tourney and they played well in the Copa, that being said, I still think that there is no way that the US loses this one on their home soil. I have been one of Klinsmann's biggest supporters, but this one was on him. This loss was bad, but not as bad as everyone makes it out to be, IMO. Jamaica isn't that bad of a team right now and using the Copa as a warm up did wonders for them. I did not question JK's roster for the 2014 Cup, but the roster for this year's Gold Cup raised a lot of questions to myself. Playing in the 2017 Confederations Cup is vital for the US to see where they are in preparation for the 2018 WC. Jamaica only scored 5 goals in their previous 7 Copa/Gold Cup matches and for the US to give up 2 goals in less than five minutes just shows how bad the defense can be. Guzman has played pretty well, but I don't see Tim Howard making that mistake. Howard states that he will be back for this November's WC qualifying, it will be interesting to see if he is ready to go for the US on October 9th.

The playoff for the 2017 CC better not be in Pasadena, otherwise it might as well be at the Azteca. CONCACAF definitely will be looking for a huge US/Mexico gate and I am will to bet that the Rose Bowl will get the game, if Jamaica beats Mexico, this could set up a match in Florida somewhere. The game is scheduled for October 9th, the same weekend as Euro 2016 qualifying.

The US does not have an experienced team with their youngsters and the veterans just aren't that good anymore, and boy did it show last night, and I believe that with so many players playing in the MLS, it hurts the US (yes the MLS is a lot better than it was 5 years ago, but it is still a minor league-league, when compared to Europe. The US does not have a world class player, other than Howard, on their team. I often wonder what a difference Giuseppe Rossi would have made to this team had he elected to play for the US instead of Italy, where he hasn't been on the Italian roster for any competitions worth a shit. The Italians royally screwed him by enticing him to declare to play for Italy and then not using him on two World Cup rosters and now leaving him off the 2016 Euro qualifying rosters. I know he had injuries, but he was ready to go for last year's WC.

I have not watched the Mexico/Panama match yet, but I see that Mexico was gifted another late PK and then another one in overtime, was the officiating as biased as the news outlets are portraying it to be?
 
The PK to tie the game in regulation was absolute BS. Even the Fox head of officials said as much. He even thought Mexico should have been called for a foul on the play. He pushed into the Panama player who fell on the ground and then rolled over the top of the ball while his goalkeeper was trying to get to it. If his had touched the ball, it was completely inadvertent, and I am still not sure he ever actually touched it with his hand.

Panama did a tremendous job playing with only 10 players for most of the game. Had it not been for that late PK, the Georgia Dome might not be standing today as Panama probably would have run out the clock. Those Mexican fans would have burned the place down.

As it was, the game was delayed 10 minutes after the ref called the PK because fans were throwing things on the field, and there was almost a fight between both teams. After the game, I thought the Panama players were going to beat the crap out of the ref. They all came charging onto the field, and he had to be escorted out by security.

Also saw a photo earlier today that the whole Panamanian team took last night with a banner that says CONCACAF Thieves or something to that effect.

Jamaica needs to win on Sunday because at least they have earned their spot in the final. Unlike Mexico who was gifted it.

Here is the link to the Panama team photo:
http://blog.foxsoccer.com/post/124812974837/panamas-team-photo-shows-just-how-they-feel-about
 
Mexico's striker fouled the defender twice on that play. Slashed the hell out of the back of his legs as the ball was coming in, then turned around & pushed him backwards onto the ball. That call was absolutely absurd.
 
ZZ828 said:
The PK to tie the game in regulation was absolute BS. Even the Fox head of officials said as much. He even thought Mexico should have been called for a foul on the play. He pushed into the Panama player who fell on the ground and then rolled over the top of the ball while his goalkeeper was trying to get to it. If his had touched the ball, it was completely inadvertent, and I am still not sure he ever actually touched it with his hand.

Panama did a tremendous job playing with only 10 players for most of the game. Had it not been for that late PK, the Georgia Dome might not be standing today as Panama probably would have run out the clock. Those Mexican fans would have burned the place down.

As it was, the game was delayed 10 minutes after the ref called the PK because fans were throwing things on the field, and there was almost a fight between both teams. After the game, I thought the Panama players were going to beat the crap out of the ref. They all came charging onto the field, and he had to be escorted out by security.

Also saw a photo earlier today that the whole Panamanian team took last night with a banner that says CONCACAF Thieves or something to that effect.

Jamaica needs to win on Sunday because at least they have earned their spot in the final. Unlike Mexico who was gifted it.

Here is the link to the Panama team photo:

http://blog.foxsoccer.com/post/124812974837/panamas-team-photo-shows-just-how-they-feel-about
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Wow, that's two straight that Mexico was gifted. I am going to watch the match highlights now. I had to DVR the game in Spanish because Fox1 didn't cover it live.

I see 8 cards were shown to Panama and only 4 to Mexico. Was the red card to Tejada worth the red or was it the ref gifting Mexico again?
 
Tejada's red could've gone either way, imo. Definitely a foul & a yellow at a minimum, but not unreasonable to red card him. Came in hard for a ball in the air, forearm & elbow up; hit the opponent in the face with his forearm/hand.

I don't think it was intentional so probably would've just given him a yellow, but I can understand red-carding him. Kind of play that causes a match to get really nasty if the official doesn't squelch it.
 
Manch. said:
I have not watched the Mexico/Panama match yet, but I see that Mexico was gifted another late PK and then another one in overtime, was the officiating as biased as the news outlets are portraying it to be?
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It was everything wrong with soccer all wrapped up in a single match. Flopping, poor officiating, excessive whining and lobbying the refs, trash being thrown onto the field, suspicions of a fixed match, and so on.
 
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Manch,

Just read that Howard will be available for the September friendlies, so my guess is he gets the call for the Confed Cup Playoff game. Also read that that match is one day prior to the Olympic Qualifying match, so more than likely Brooks and Yedlin won't be available as they'll be with the U-23s. And FWIW, saw where the Jamaica loss is being considered the 2nd worst loss (next to '98 Iran match in France) in the history of the USMNT.

Also, the red on Tejada might've been the worst call of all the Gold Cup so far, so put that in perspective.

With Beckerman being old, and Bradley playing like Bradley now normally plays (rather than the flash in the pan style that someone continues to get him starting time), I wouldn't be shocked if Jurgen totally changed up the mids for WC'18 qualifying starting in November.
 
fsUTampa said:
Manch,

Just read that Howard will be available for the September friendlies, so my guess is he gets the call for the Confed Cup Playoff game. Also read that that match is one day prior to the Olympic Qualifying match, so more than likely Brooks and Yedlin won't be available as they'll be with the U-23s. And FWIW, saw where the Jamaica loss is being considered the 2nd worst loss (next to '98 Iran match in France) in the history of the USMNT.

Also, the red on Tejada might've been the worst call of all the Gold Cup so far, so put that in perspective.

With Beckerman being old, and Bradley playing like Bradley now normally plays (rather than the flash in the pan style that someone continues to get him starting time), I wouldn't be shocked if Jurgen totally changed up the mids for WC'18 qualifying starting in November.
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I saw the loss being rated the 2nd worse and I also just watched the highlights. The Tejeda straight red was BS, that American ref(Geiger-I believe had gifted Mexico a couple of goals in that 4-4 draw with TnT) had one bad tourney. Both teams need to play before empty stadiums in the future.

I doubt that Brooks and Yedlin suit up for the U23's over the playoff game, unless JK drops them from the USNMT roster.
 
Formerly Rockymtnole said:
It was everything wrong with soccer all wrapped up in a single match. Flopping, poor officiating, excessive whining and lobbying the refs, trash being thrown onto the field, suspicions of a fixed match, and so on.
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That's exactly what I was just showing/telling my father-in-law.

The Tejada red wasn't even close to a yellow, his arm simply went up in the air with no intent to gain an advantage and the Mexican player sold it completely as Geiger didn't even hesitate to pull out the red. I was watching in Spanish and I could hear the commentators saying "no, no, no.........".

The 88th minute handball was just as bad, the player was on the ground and again with zero intent, the ball hit his elbow. This was WWE at it's finest. Unbelievable that after the FIFA scandal, that a display like this and the way Mexico has advanced in this tourney could be possible. There were three completely unexplainable calls that went Mexico's way. Disgusting is being polite. Fixed and rigged come to mind, but I doubt that it was fixed or rigged, just flat out piss poor.
 
Being at the game. Mexicans are the worst. Atlanta sports fans are also the worst.
 
Very interesting take and there is some truth to this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ism-of-u-s-gold-cup-loss-to-jamaica-is-a-win/

Jurgen Klinsmann might be at his happiest this morning, in the aftermath of his worst result as the United States Men’s National Team head coach. The vicious headlines calling for his firing, the withering critique of his strategy, the hard questions about the program’s progress – all of it could feel like a disaster in the making. For Klinsmann, it is something else: progress.

The United States’ performance Tuesday night in a 2-1 loss to Jamaica, which bounced it from the Gold Cup on their own soil, shows how far it has to go to be taken seriously on the international stage. The domestic reaction proves how far it has come.

The calls to can Klinsmann after one horrendous defeat are reactionary and unrealistic. They also teem with passion and represent America’s growing emotional connection to soccer. There is a boiling public debate over Klinsmann’s fitness to coach the national team, same as there would be if a South American or European squad suffered a stunning lapse.
 
GwinnettNole said:
Very interesting take and there is some truth to this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ism-of-u-s-gold-cup-loss-to-jamaica-is-a-win/

Jurgen Klinsmann might be at his happiest this morning, in the aftermath of his worst result as the United States Men’s National Team head coach. The vicious headlines calling for his firing, the withering critique of his strategy, the hard questions about the program’s progress – all of it could feel like a disaster in the making. For Klinsmann, it is something else: progress.

The United States’ performance Tuesday night in a 2-1 loss to Jamaica, which bounced it from the Gold Cup on their own soil, shows how far it has to go to be taken seriously on the international stage. The domestic reaction proves how far it has come.

The calls to can Klinsmann after one horrendous defeat are reactionary and unrealistic. They also teem with passion and represent America’s growing emotional connection to soccer. There is a boiling public debate over Klinsmann’s fitness to coach the national team, same as there would be if a South American or European squad suffered a stunning lapse.
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its a fair observation that U.S. soccer has come a long way from the days of Cobi Jones and Alexi Lalas, but the Post seems to be giving Klinsman credit for that when its really been despite him.
 
USA just got a cake walk draw for World Cup '18 Qualifying. Rd 4 Group C including TnT, and probably Aruba and Guatemala. Top 2 move on to the Hex.

Group B was a group of death, that will include Costa Rica, Panama, Jamaica, and Haiti.

(I figured I'd keep this in this thread since the mods have been generous with keeping a soccer thread going in the LR)
 
U.S. is playing uninspired soccer. Bradley is just terrible. The back line is non-existent. This team has a lot of work if it thinks it can get passed group play.
 
How the hell is Bradley on this team. He is absolutely terrible.
 
Fijimn said:
How the hell is Bradley on this team. He is absolutely terrible.
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I find it interesting that fans keep saying this, yet media pundits have him listed as one of the top 10 all time USMNT players.
 
Gringos love their white players and so does US Soccer. Follow the money, homey
 
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bradley peaked in his early 20s, been all downhill from there. Like Adu peaking as a teen. Jurgen shouldn't last the night. but he will.
 
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